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Even though every response to the exploding child sexual abuse scandal is exactly the same and orchestrated from the Vatican, they continue to fuck over dioceses in order to protect billions on assets and cash bilked from idiots like Joltin Joe, widows, businesses, and the poor/ignorant.

Breaking scandal news...

Vatican responds to next round of UN abuse inquiry Published: April 15, 2014 | Updated: April 15, 2014 at 01:27 PM
VATICAN CITY (AP) — The Vatican has responded to the latest round of U.N. sex abuse inquiries by suggesting it is only responsible for implementing a U.N. treaty against torture within the confines of the tiny Vatican City State.
The Vatican issued a statement Tuesday ahead of a May 5-6 hearing that will likely delve into the Vatican's failures to stop clergy sex abuse around the globe. Another U.N. committee interrogated the Holy See about abuse in January.
In an indication that it will seek to limit its responsibility, the Vatican said it signed the torture treaty in 2002 "exclusively in the name of and on behalf of" the 44-hectare (110-acre) Vatican City State, where fewer than 1,000 people live. The Vatican said it will "undertake its obligations on behalf of that state."

Expertly written by some anonymous dork Vatican lawyer. :ohno:
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Here's the truth of the matter.

Years ago, a dumb, bottom of the class lawyer from one of the worst law schools in America, Jeffrey Anderson, was as you might expect, a stupid, struggling personal injury lawyer, with a solo practice, who couldn't try and win a case. But, one day, he got a referral for a sex abuse case against the Catholic Church.

Pitifully unable to pursue a case in court, Anderson took too lobbing press releases to the media about this case. The facts, as alleged, were horrific. Whether they were true or not was debatable, a class "he said v. she said" case. But the media reported the facts as alleged, and the Church settled because of the bad publicity.

This experience was an epiphany for the otherwise slow-witted Anderson. He could take sex abuse cases, leak facts to the media, and collect money without having to go to court, where he never fared very well because he was not a very good lawyer. So this became his calling. He sought out sex abuse cases against the Catholic Church and employed the tactic of "trying" the cases through the media.

His big break came when it became apparent in 2001-2002 that Cardinal Law of the Boston Archdiocese, in order to avoid scandal, had covered-up for two notorious predator priests, both of whom had victimized numerous children. The Catholic Church had kept meticulous records of the accusations against the priests, and the scandal in Boston became national news because of the retention of records which outlined the facts. As usual, Anderson tried the case in the press and he went home a big winner against Boston.

Even someone as slow as Anderson could figure out if it happened in Boston, it likely happened in other dioceses, and so Anderson went national. His first tactic was to represent the scandal in Boston as "national" in scope, even though, as the facts panned out, there were about 12 dirty dioceses out of nearly 200 in the US. But the lazy secular media, in reporting that over $2 billion in settlement payments had been made by Catholic dioceses, never analyzed the numbers that showed that over 80% of that amount were paid by 12 dioceses. The vast majority of Catholic dioceses had no material abuse exposure, but the media never sought fit to report that fact.

You might think that having hit paydirt against the dirty dozen, Anderson and his "ambulance runners" (SNAP) would be happy. But like any greedy PI attorney, he wanted more. So he concocted cases against the Vatican, filing lawsuits claiming that the Vatican orchestrated a "world-wide" cover-up. He filed RICO cases against the Vatican, and distorted a 1962 memo, but he got nowhere in the US Courts. They rejected the RICO claims because he had no facts, and all the cases were dismissed because there simply was no proof that the Vatican orchestrated a cover-up. The Courts uniformly rejected the interpretation of the 1962 memo as falsified. The media never reported that the memo, which they had cited in prior reports as supporting Anderson, had been rejected by the US Courts as meaningful evidence, or that the courts had found that Anderson was distorting the meaning of the memo.

Unable to get money through the courts against the Vatican, Ander$NAP, Inc. filed a complaint alleging crimes against the humanity with the World Court at the Hague. But, this being a court of law, Anderson failed again and his complaint was dismissed.

But then Ander$NAP, Inc. realized that, in order to get traction against the Vatican, they needed to find a publicity whore equal and comparable to Ander$NAP itself. So they went off the UN Commissions with their complaints. Now the UN Commissions are made up of bureaucrats who are too arrogant to realize how stupid they are, and too stupid to realize how arrogant they are. They have accomplished nothing in life, but feel privileged to lecture people on morals, business, you name it.

So the Ander$NAP whores drag the Vatican before the whores of the UN Commissions, and finally they get somewhere. But at this point even the media itself finally begins to take notice and pans the UN Commissions. No bother. These are arrogant bureaucrats who think they are better than everyone, despite overwhelming evidence to the contrary.

So the Vatican tells the UN Commissions to go F themselves. :clap:

True story.
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More deny, deflect and blame - The Catholic Recipe.

It's the coward (The Church, Joltin Joe) who looks to blame others rather than address their own shortcomings and or crimes. Typical criminal and adolescent behavior, and the primary reason why the catholic church is a world wide embarrassment.
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And now the ugly truth.....
Vatican issues preemptive statement, SNAP responds




For immediate release: Tuesday, April 15, 2014

Statement by Barbara Dorris of St. Louis, Outreach Director of SNAP, the Survivors Network of those Abused by Priests (314 503 0003, SNAPdorris@gmail.com)

In response to our formal filing at the United Nations, charging that the Vatican is violating the UN treaty against torture, top Catholic officials are claiming that the treaty only has jurisdiction over the tiny Vatican city state. We hope UN committee officials will see through this desperate attempt to hide from responsibility. And we hope that before the May 5 hearing, Pope Francis will step in and stop his staff from making this cynical claim.

http://tbo.com/ap/world/vatican-respond ... 019d106f49" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

For decades, when confronted with abuse and cover up reports, top Catholic officials often responded with self-serving hair-splitting - claiming that priests are "independent contractors," and similar absurd legalistic arguments designed to deny responsibility for the crimes of church employees, high and low. Joltin Joe parrots the same shit here. :nod:


These kind of irresponsible dodges show just hard the Catholic hierarchy works to shuck responsibility.

How can the Pope be the head of a worldwide organization, but also only be responsible for a tiny city-state of 1000 people? Does the Pope not pick and promote bishops and other church officials across the planet? Catholic church officials cannot have it every way - some days being a global monarchy, other days being a tiny city state, and other days being a religious, not political entity. :nod:

(SNAP, the Survivors Network of those Abused by Priests, is the world’s oldest and largest support group for clergy abuse victims. We’ve been around for 25 years and have more than 15,000 members. Despite the word “priest” in our title, we have members who were molested by religious figures of all denominations, including nuns, rabbis, bishops, and Protestant ministers. Our website is SNAPnetwork.org)

Contact - David Clohessy (314-566-9790 cell, SNAPclohessy@aol.com), Barbara Dorris (314-503-0003, SNAPdorris@gmail.com), Barbara Blaine (312-399-4747,SNAPblaine@gmail.com), Peter Isely (414-429-7259, peterisely@yahoo.com), Joelle Casteix (949-322-7434, jcasteix@gmail.com)
Joltin Joe, thoroughly discredited and a liar for 10 years and running.
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A SNAP press release. :rofl:

Unethical runners for plaintiffs' lawyers..
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JoltinJoe wrote:A SNAP press release. :rofl:

Unethical runners for plaintiffs' lawyers..

More deny, deflect and blame. Typical behavior of criminals and cowards.

Joltin Joe- discredited, ten years running.
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:rofl: :rofl:

BTW, I've reviewed the UN Convention on Torture, and the Vatican's right. Article 2 of the Convention specifically states that signatories undertake an obligation to outlaw torture within its own territorial jurisdiction.

In the case of the Holy See, its territorial jurisdiction is Vatican City. Matter should be over, although there was a case some years ago when a UN Commission sought to exercise illegal jurisdiction over the United States over an issue; the US filed opposition noting the lack of jurisdiction; the Commission went ahead anyway despite its lack of jurisdiction; and the US told them to F off, and refused to defend.

The UN Commission ruled against the US, at which point the US told the Commission to F off again.
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JoltinJoe wrote::rofl: :rofl:

BTW, I've reviewed the UN Convention on Torture, and the Vatican's right. Article 2 of the Convention specifically states that signatories undertake an obligation to outlaw torture within its own territorial jurisdiction.

In the case of the Holy See, its territorial jurisdiction is Vatican City. Matter should be over, although there was a case some years ago when a UN Commission sought to exercise illegal jurisdiction over the United States over an issue; the US filed opposition noting the lack of jurisdiction; the Commission went ahead anyway despite its lack of jurisdiction; and the US told them to F off, and refused to defend.

The UN Commission ruled against the US, at which point the US told the Commission to F off again.
More excuses legitimizing pedophiles and crimes.

It's easy to blame others rather than accept responsibility for your own crimes and shortcomings.

The scandal widens by the day.
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D1B wrote:
JoltinJoe wrote::rofl: :rofl:

BTW, I've reviewed the UN Convention on Torture, and the Vatican's right. Article 2 of the Convention specifically states that signatories undertake an obligation to outlaw torture within its own territorial jurisdiction.

In the case of the Holy See, its territorial jurisdiction is Vatican City. Matter should be over, although there was a case some years ago when a UN Commission sought to exercise illegal jurisdiction over the United States over an issue; the US filed opposition noting the lack of jurisdiction; the Commission went ahead anyway despite its lack of jurisdiction; and the US told them to F off, and refused to defend.

The UN Commission ruled against the US, at which point the US told the Commission to F off again.
More excuses legitimizing pedophiles and crimes.

It's easy to blame others rather than accept responsibility for your own crimes and shortcomings.

The scandal widens by the day.
Why don't you accept the repeated judgments of the US courts: there is no proof of a Vatican-orchestrated "worldwide cover-up."

I mean, running to UN Commissions because the US courts kicked you out repeatedly?? What legitimacy does the UN or any of its commissions have? :coffee: Seriously, who the F cares what any of these commissions do or say?
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JoltinJoe wrote:
D1B wrote:
More excuses legitimizing pedophiles and crimes.

It's easy to blame others rather than accept responsibility for your own crimes and shortcomings.

The scandal widens by the day.
Why don't you accept the repeated judgments of the US courts: there is no proof of a Vatican-orchestrated "worldwide cover-up."

I mean, running to UN Commissions because the US courts kicked you out repeatedly?? What legitimacy does the UN or any of its commissions have? :coffee: Seriously, who the F cares what any of these commissions do or say?
More denial, deflection and blame. It's much easier and more cynical to blame others than to accept responsiblilty for your own crimes or shortcomings.

Visit a prison and ask the fuck ups if they're guilty or not. Many if not most will tell you they're innocent, "the police just hate me" or it's someone else's fault. :nod: The catholic church - just another fuck up.
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JoltinJoe wrote:
D1B wrote:
More excuses legitimizing pedophiles and crimes.

It's easy to blame others rather than accept responsibility for your own crimes and shortcomings.

The scandal widens by the day.
Why don't you accept the repeated judgments of the US courts: there is no proof of a Vatican-orchestrated "worldwide cover-up."

I mean, running to UN Commissions because the US courts kicked you out repeatedly?? What legitimacy does the UN or any of its commissions have? :coffee: Seriously, who the F cares what any of these commissions do or say?

Already addressed, Pedo Joe. :thumb:
In response to our formal filing at the United Nations, charging that the Vatican is violating the UN treaty against torture, top Catholic officials are claiming that the treaty only has jurisdiction over the tiny Vatican city state. We hope UN committee officials will see through this desperate attempt to hide from responsibility. And we hope that before the May 5 hearing, Pope Francis will step in and stop his staff from making this cynical claim.

http://tbo.com/ap/world/vatican-respond" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; ... 019d106f49

For decades, when confronted with abuse and cover up reports, top Catholic officials often responded with self-serving hair-splitting - claiming that priests are "independent contractors," and similar absurd legalistic arguments designed to deny responsibility for the crimes of church employees, high and low.Joltin Joe parrots the same shit here.
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Accountability...ain't just a river in Egypt... :ohno:
May 31, 2016
Abigail Abrams
Posted with permission from International Business Times

The Catholic Church in New York has spent millions of dollars in recent years to stop a law that would make it easier for victims of child sex abuse to sue their attackers, the New York Daily News reported Monday.

The state’s Catholic Conference has hired some of New York’s most influential lobbying firms, including Wilson Elser Moskowitz Edelman & Dicker, Patricia Lynch & Associates, Hank Sheinkopf, and Mark Behan Communications. They spent more than $2.1 million from 2007 through 2015 lobbying against the Child Victims Act as well as for or against other bills, according to state records.


http://www.rawstory.com/2016/06/catholi ... attackers/
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kalm wrote:Accountability...ain't just a river in Egypt... :ohno:
May 31, 2016
Abigail Abrams
Posted with permission from International Business Times

The Catholic Church in New York has spent millions of dollars in recent years to stop a law that would make it easier for victims of child sex abuse to sue their attackers, the New York Daily News reported Monday.

The state’s Catholic Conference has hired some of New York’s most influential lobbying firms, including Wilson Elser Moskowitz Edelman & Dicker, Patricia Lynch & Associates, Hank Sheinkopf, and Mark Behan Communications. They spent more than $2.1 million from 2007 through 2015 lobbying against the Child Victims Act as well as for or against other bills, according to state records.


http://www.rawstory.com/2016/06/catholi ... attackers/

Catholicism...is "All about Jesus"

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Chizzang wrote:
kalm wrote:Accountability...ain't just a river in Egypt... :ohno:





http://www.rawstory.com/2016/06/catholi ... attackers/

Catholicism...is "All about Jesus"

:rofl:
Went to a Catholic wedding once, lots of talk about virgins and stuff, can't honestly say whether or not Jesus was mentioned. I could have missed it. :D
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POD Knows wrote:
Chizzang wrote:

Catholicism...is "All about Jesus"

:rofl:
Went to a Catholic wedding once, lots of talk about virgins and stuff, can't honestly say whether or not Jesus was mentioned. I could have missed it. :D
I've got a hint for you...
Jesus is to Catholicism as the Queen is to English parliament

:coffee:

Historically relevant but presently meaningless
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Chizzang wrote:
POD Knows wrote:
Went to a Catholic wedding once, lots of talk about virgins and stuff, can't honestly say whether or not Jesus was mentioned. I could have missed it. :D
I've got a hint for you...
Jesus is to Catholicism as the Queen is to English parliament

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Sure it is. :roll:
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POD Knows wrote:
Chizzang wrote:

Catholicism...is "All about Jesus"

:rofl:
Went to a Catholic wedding once, lots of talk about virgins and stuff, can't honestly say whether or not Jesus was mentioned. I could have missed it. :D
There is some requirement for the audience to be paying attention. I've been to many such weddings and I don't think I've ever heard any talk of virgins and stuff, and Jesus did come up more than once. He's also known as other things, like the Son of God, Christ, etc. Maybe they mentioned that. :coffee:
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Yeah. POD is the reincarnation of Cobblestone just making shit up.
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GannonFan wrote:
Chizzang wrote:
I've got a hint for you...
Jesus is to Catholicism as the Queen is to English parliament

:coffee:
Sure it is. :roll:
Catholicism is one of the worlds largest businesses
and it is run as such - a legal entity protecting it's brand

Catholics as people are a different matter
similar to judging Americans by our government and political global interests

To have an adult conversation about Catholicism one must first "get that" part

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C'mon GF and Andy... you know damn well that the non-Catholics on this board know a lot more about Catholicism than those of us that go every week.
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Chizzang wrote:
GannonFan wrote:
Sure it is. :roll:
Catholicism is one of the worlds largest businesses
and it is run as such - a legal entity protecting it's brand

Catholics as people are a different matter
similar to judging Americans by our government and political global interests

To have an adult conversation about Catholicism one must first "get that" part

:coffee:
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Chizzang wrote:
GannonFan wrote:
Sure it is. :roll:
Catholicism is one of the worlds largest businesses
and it is run as such - a legal entity protecting it's brand

Catholics as people are a different matter
similar to judging Americans by our government and political global interests

To have an adult conversation about Catholicism one must first "get that" part

:coffee:
If you want to make that argument, you would need to replace "Catholicism" with "the hierarchy of the Catholic Church". That would at least put you on somewhat decent ground to make an argument. Assuming you want to be adult about it, that is. :coffee:
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89Hen wrote:C'mon GF and Andy... you know damn well that the non-Catholics on this board know a lot more about Catholicism than those of us that go every week.

Going every week is the defining factor..?
All that means is you're committed

"Committed" is often the enemy of intellectually honesty...

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Chizzang wrote:
89Hen wrote:C'mon GF and Andy... you know damn well that the non-Catholics on this board know a lot more about Catholicism than those of us that go every week.

Going every week is the defining factor..?
All that means is you're committed

"Committed" is often the enemy of intellectually honesty...

:coffee:
No it means it's useless to talk about this when the supposed intellectual superior has a grade school education on the topic. Worthless.

You believe what you want. Fine. Don't insult me because I don't see it your way.

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kalm wrote:Accountability...ain't just a river in Egypt... :ohno:
May 31, 2016
Abigail Abrams
Posted with permission from International Business Times

The Catholic Church in New York has spent millions of dollars in recent years to stop a law that would make it easier for victims of child sex abuse to sue their attackers, the New York Daily News reported Monday.

The state’s Catholic Conference has hired some of New York’s most influential lobbying firms, including Wilson Elser Moskowitz Edelman & Dicker, Patricia Lynch & Associates, Hank Sheinkopf, and Mark Behan Communications. They spent more than $2.1 million from 2007 through 2015 lobbying against the Child Victims Act as well as for or against other bills, according to state records.


http://www.rawstory.com/2016/06/catholi ... attackers/
Good for them.

The law in question that "makes it easier for victims of child sex abuse to sue their attackers," is actually a law to abolish the Statute of Limitations.

Statutes of Limitation exist to protect procedural and substantive fairness. Any law that abolishes the statute of limitations is regressive and, in this case, discriminatory.
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