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Ibanez wrote:
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Where are my legally purchased guns registered???
I'm not a gun owner so excuse me but I thought a person owning a gun has proof they own it? So is there a record of purchase? Could that info, from here on out go to a database?
Current federal law requires a background check by a licensed firearm dealer...it is accomplished by filling out a form with basic information that the dealer inputs into the federal NICS database...

But the gun info is not part of the database input...if you buy one or ten guns in a single transaction, the Feds only get the background check information on you...

Now, if a gun is used in a crime and the LEOs recover it...and they can trace it back to the dealer (not always possible) they can pull the 4473 (the form you filled out) and find out who purchased the gun...

Current law prohibits the Feds from using those forms to create a database...
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Col Hogan wrote:
Ibanez wrote:
I'm not a gun owner so excuse me but I thought a person owning a gun has proof they own it? So is there a record of purchase? Could that info, from here on out go to a database?
Current federal law requires a background check by a licensed firearm dealer...it is accomplished by filling out a form with basic information that the dealer inputs into the federal NICS database...

But the gun info is not part of the database input...if you buy one or ten guns in a single transaction, the Feds only get the background check information on you...

Now, if a gun is used in a crime and the LEOs recover it...and they can trace it back to the dealer (not always possible) they can pull the 4473 (the form you filled out) and find out who purchased the gun...

Current law prohibits the Feds from using those forms to create a database...
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AZGrizFan wrote:
Col Hogan wrote:
Current federal law requires a background check by a licensed firearm dealer...it is accomplished by filling out a form with basic information that the dealer inputs into the federal NICS database...

But the gun info is not part of the database input...if you buy one or ten guns in a single transaction, the Feds only get the background check information on you...

Now, if a gun is used in a crime and the LEOs recover it...and they can trace it back to the dealer (not always possible) they can pull the 4473 (the form you filled out) and find out who purchased the gun...

Current law prohibits the Feds from using those forms to create a database...
:lol: :lol:

That's a good one, Colonel. :lol:
Which is why I don't trust the current administration...I know who has my 4473s and they have not been visited by BATF...but I don't have much faith that they will always follow the law..
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"Hawaii could be first to put gun owners in federal database

HONOLULU (AP) — Hawaii could become the first state in the United States to enter gun owners into an FBI database that will automatically notify police if an island resident is arrested anywhere else in the country.

Most people entered in the "Rap Back" database elsewhere in the U.S. are those in "positions of trust," such as school teachers and bus drivers, said Stephen Fischer of the FBI's Criminal Justice Information Services Division. Hawaii could be the first state to add gun owners.

"I don't like the idea of us being entered into a database. It basically tells us that they know where the guns are, they can go grab them" said Jerry Ilo, a firearm and hunting instructor for the state. "We get the feeling that Big Brother is watching us."

Supporters say the law would make Hawaii a leader in safe gun laws. Allison Anderman, a staff attorney at the Law Center to Prevent Gun Violence, said the bill was "groundbreaking," and that she hadn't heard of other states introducing similar measures.

Sen. Will Espero, who introduced the bill, and the Honolulu Police Department said Hawaii could serve as a model for other states if it becomes the first to enact the law.

Yet others say gun owners shouldn't have to be entered in a database to practice a constitutional right.

"You're curtailing that right by requiring that a name be entered into a database without doing anything wrong," said Kenneth Lawson, faculty at the University of Hawaii's William S. Richardson School of Law.

Legal experts say the bill could face challenges, but would probably hold up in court. Recent Supreme Court rulings have clarified states' ability to regulate gun sales, said David Levine, a law professor at the University of California, Hastings College of the Law.

The bill will undergo a legal review process by departments including the Attorney General's Office, which supported the bill, before Gov. David Ige decides if he will sign it into law, said Cindy McMillan, a spokeswoman for the governor.

The cost to enter names in the database will be covered by a fee paid by gun owners, which wasn't defined in the bill.

Even though other states don't enter gun owners in the database, Honolulu Police Department Maj. Richard Robinson said it will still benefit Hawaii police. Right now, Hawaii gun owners undergo a background check only when they register a gun, so police have no way of knowing if they're disqualified from owning a gun in the future unless they try to register a new firearm.

"We were only discovering things by accident," said Robinson, who helped draft the bill. "They happen to come register another firearm, we run another background check, and then we find out they're a prohibited person."

That happens about 20 times each year, he said.

Some local gun owners say the law confirms their fear that the government would know exactly who and where people keep their firearms.

"This is an extremely dangerous bill. Exercising a constitutional right is not inherently suspicious," said Amy Hunter for the National Rifle Association. "Hawaii will now be treating firearms as suspect and subject to constant monitoring.""
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Ibanez wrote:
Col Hogan wrote:
Where are my legally purchased guns registered???
I'm not a gun owner so excuse me but I thought a person owning a gun has proof they own it? So is there a record of purchase? Could that info, from here on out go to a database?
Is my 1892 British Bulldog, that has been passed down thru the family on that database?
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Gil Dobie wrote:
Ibanez wrote:
I'm not a gun owner so excuse me but I thought a person owning a gun has proof they own it? So is there a record of purchase? Could that info, from here on out go to a database?
Is my 1892 British Bulldog, that has been passed down thru the family on that database?
I understand that. I'm talking more about gun purchases. I have a 1943 Ariska so that won't show up but I had purchased it from a REPUTABLE dealer then it would.


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Is my 1892 British Bulldog, that has been passed down thru the family on that database?
I understand that. I'm talking more about gun purchases. I have a 1943 Ariska so that won't show up but I had purchased it from a REPUTABLE dealer then it would.


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I realize that, but there isn't always a record of purchase. I have no purchase record of the British Bulldog, or even my Winchester 94, 30-30, that my dad found in the field.
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Ibanez wrote:
Col Hogan wrote:
Where are my legally purchased guns registered???
I'm not a gun owner so excuse me but I thought a person owning a gun has proof they own it? So is there a record of purchase? Could that info, from here on out go to a database?
There are at least 20 guns in my home in NC - 15 of which will never, ever see a database. The others are not likely on any record anywhere, unless family stores kept records on gun sales in the 1950s - 1960s.

Ironically, two of them were "bring homes" from WWII - in essence, given to family members by the US Government.
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Gil Dobie wrote:
Ibanez wrote:
I understand that. I'm talking more about gun purchases. I have a 1943 Ariska so that won't show up but I had purchased it from a REPUTABLE dealer then it would.


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I realize that, but there isn't always a record of purchase. I have no purchase record of the British Bulldog, or even my Winchester 94, 30-30, that my dad found in the field.
Again, I wasn't talking about that. My Ariska came from WW2.


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CID1990 wrote:
Ibanez wrote:
I'm not a gun owner so excuse me but I thought a person owning a gun has proof they own it? So is there a record of purchase? Could that info, from here on out go to a database?
There are at least 20 guns in my home in NC - 15 of which will never, ever see a database. The others are not likely on any record anywhere, unless family stores kept records on gun sales in the 1950s - 1960s.

Ironically, two of them were "bring homes" from WWII - in essence, given to family members by the US Government.
Not that's it's a big deal or it might ever come up, but stating the amount of guns you own literally puts you in a database forever on the internetz. Your IP address is now linked to a statement saying that you have X amount of guns. Anyone who has the ability can now track down your real-life profile.

On FB, I find it hilarious when my friends say they'll never register their guns, and then post pics and make statements regarding their collections. Even the CIA/FBI said that FB was inadvertently the greatest tracking tool ever invented to make their jobs easier. :lol:
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CID1990 wrote:
Ibanez wrote:
I'm not a gun owner so excuse me but I thought a person owning a gun has proof they own it? So is there a record of purchase? Could that info, from here on out go to a database?
There are at least 20 guns in my home in NC - 15 of which will never, ever see a database. The others are not likely on any record anywhere, unless family stores kept records on gun sales in the 1950s - 1960s.

Ironically, two of them were "bring homes" from WWII - in essence, given to family members by the US Government.
:roll: AGAIN, I'm not referring to those guns. I was just asking because I don't know. I've never purchased a gun and so I've never educated myself on the process. Simmer down.

Like I said earlier, and in other threads, I have a 1943 Ariska that was taken off a dead soldier. I also stand to inherit a rifle that my grandfather used in the Army, he was a DI at Fort Jackson. I understand that there is no proof of purchase with those.
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CID1990 wrote:
There are at least 20 guns in my home in NC - 15 of which will never, ever see a database. The others are not likely on any record anywhere, unless family stores kept records on gun sales in the 1950s - 1960s.

Ironically, two of them were "bring homes" from WWII - in essence, given to family members by the US Government.
Not that's it's a big deal or it might ever come up, but stating the amount of guns you own literally puts you in a database forever on the internetz. Your IP address is now linked to a statement saying that you have X amount of guns. Anyone who has the ability can now track down your real-life profile.

On FB, I find it hilarious when my friends say they'll never register their guns, and then post pics and make statements regarding their collections. Even the CIA/FBI said that FB was inadvertently the greatest tracking tool ever invented to make their jobs easier. :lol:
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CID1990 wrote:
There are at least 20 guns in my home in NC - 15 of which will never, ever see a database. The others are not likely on any record anywhere, unless family stores kept records on gun sales in the 1950s - 1960s.

Ironically, two of them were "bring homes" from WWII - in essence, given to family members by the US Government.
Not that's it's a big deal or it might ever come up, but stating the amount of guns you own literally puts you in a database forever on the internetz. Your IP address is now linked to a statement saying that you have X amount of guns. Anyone who has the ability can now track down your real-life profile.

On FB, I find it hilarious when my friends say they'll never register their guns, and then post pics and make statements regarding their collections. Even the CIA/FBI said that FB was inadvertently the greatest tracking tool ever invented to make their jobs easier. :lol:
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CID1990 wrote:
There are at least 20 guns in my home in NC - 15 of which will never, ever see a database. The others are not likely on any record anywhere, unless family stores kept records on gun sales in the 1950s - 1960s.

Ironically, two of them were "bring homes" from WWII - in essence, given to family members by the US Government.
Not that's it's a big deal or it might ever come up, but stating the amount of guns you own literally puts you in a database forever on the internetz. Your IP address is now linked to a statement saying that you have X amount of guns. Anyone who has the ability can now track down your real-life profile.

On FB, I find it hilarious when my friends say they'll never register their guns, and then post pics and make statements regarding their collections. Even the CIA/FBI said that FB was inadvertently the greatest tracking tool ever invented to make their jobs easier. :lol:
That's a good point. Just have to cut thru the BS, were people are telling the full truth or not, and the little fact, they still need the gun serial numbers, besides proof of the person actually having the guns they say they have.
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Gil Dobie wrote:
∞∞∞ wrote: Not that's it's a big deal or it might ever come up, but stating the amount of guns you own literally puts you in a database forever on the internetz. Your IP address is now linked to a statement saying that you have X amount of guns. Anyone who has the ability can now track down your real-life profile.

On FB, I find it hilarious when my friends say they'll never register their guns, and then post pics and make statements regarding their collections. Even the CIA/FBI said that FB was inadvertently the greatest tracking tool ever invented to make their jobs easier. :lol:
That's a good point. Just have to cut thru the BS, were people are telling the full truth or not, and the little fact, they still need the gun serial numbers, besides proof of the person actually having the guns they say they have.
NO no Gil... it isn't like that!

It's more like, "Mr. CID, 15 years ago you said on an internetz forum you had 25 guns. Let's have them!"

"What guns?"

"The ones you said you had on the internetz"

"What guns?"

"The ones you said you had."

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CID1990 wrote:
Gil Dobie wrote:
That's a good point. Just have to cut thru the BS, were people are telling the full truth or not, and the little fact, they still need the gun serial numbers, besides proof of the person actually having the guns they say they have.
NO no Gil... it isn't like that!

It's more like, "Mr. CID, 15 years ago you said on an internetz forum you had 25 guns. Let's have them!"

"What guns?"

"The ones you said you had on the internetz"

"What guns?"

"The ones you said you had."

"If you describe them for me, then I'll tell you if I have any"
The joking is fine, but if you're really worried about a future oppressive government taking rights away, conversations like these don't necessarily end like this. It's not like corrupt governments haven't "interpreted" statements to justify their actions...
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∞∞∞ wrote:
CID1990 wrote:
NO no Gil... it isn't like that!

It's more like, "Mr. CID, 15 years ago you said on an internetz forum you had 25 guns. Let's have them!"

"What guns?"

"The ones you said you had on the internetz"

"What guns?"

"The ones you said you had."

"If you describe them for me, then I'll tell you if I have any"
The joking is fine, but if you're really worried about a future oppressive government taking rights away, conversations like these don't necessarily end like this. It's not like corrupt governments haven't "interpreted" statements to justify their actions...
By the time we get to that point, the government will not be knocking, they'll be shooting. At which point the question of whether or not I have guns will be moot.
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CID1990 wrote:
∞∞∞ wrote: The joking is fine, but if you're really worried about a future oppressive government taking rights away, conversations like these don't necessarily end like this. It's not like corrupt governments haven't "interpreted" statements to justify their actions...
By the time we get to that point, the government will not be knocking, they'll be shooting. At which point the question of whether or not I have guns will be moot.
Lemniscate3 doesn't understand that.

He believes Bernie's peeps will simply simmer down and fall in to line... :lol: ...just as you should when the gubmint tell you to do something.

That is why he is a Hillary supporter. :nod:
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CID1990 wrote:
There are at least 20 guns in my home in NC - 15 of which will never, ever see a database. The others are not likely on any record anywhere, unless family stores kept records on gun sales in the 1950s - 1960s.

Ironically, two of them were "bring homes" from WWII - in essence, given to family members by the US Government.
Not that's it's a big deal or it might ever come up, but stating the amount of guns you own literally puts you in a database forever on the internetz. Your IP address is now linked to a statement saying that you have X amount of guns. Anyone who has the ability can now track down your real-life profile.

On FB, I find it hilarious when my friends say they'll never register their guns, and then post pics and make statements regarding their collections. Even the CIA/FBI said that FB was inadvertently the greatest tracking tool ever invented to make their jobs easier. :lol:
I've sold all my guns...months ago...

Does that clear me???
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CID1990 wrote:
Gil Dobie wrote:
That's a good point. Just have to cut thru the BS, were people are telling the full truth or not, and the little fact, they still need the gun serial numbers, besides proof of the person actually having the guns they say they have.
NO no Gil... it isn't like that!

It's more like, "Mr. CID, 15 years ago you said on an internetz forum you had 25 guns. Let's have them!"

"What guns?"

"The ones you said you had on the internetz"

"What guns?"

"The ones you said you had."

"If you describe them for me, then I'll tell you if I have any"
Probably more like this.

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Just like they do when they raid for computers and servers when they suspect wrongdoing. They don't allow you to hand them over at your leisure, but they confiscate immediately.

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