2016 Republican Primary

[UNI88]

..who could win a third term in a walkover this November if he were running.

and concerns over his inexperience proved to be correct- he wound up being an ineffective president. the only times he WAS effective it was in created legislative disasters or weakening the third leg of congressional oversight

but you are right- he WOULD win a third term, and I would probably vote for him - solely because he would an ineffective version of the other two. I prefer government not getting anything done

CID nails it on all counts.

I also think that Obama's popularity is rising because he is a lame duck and people are cutting him slack knowing that it doesn't really matter. His numbers would not be as good if he were running again.

[houndawg]

as loñg as their check clears the bank, WGAF?

Hyperbole.

You're getting better,stop holding back.

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..who could win a third term in a walkover this November if he were running.

and concerns over his inexperience proved to be correct- he wound up being an ineffective president. the only times he WAS effective it was in created legislative disasters or weakening the third leg of congressional oversight

but you are right- he WOULD win a third term, and I would probably vote for him - solely because he would an ineffective version of the other two. I prefer government not getting anything done

Ineffective? Obama has completely shat on Congress these last few years and executive ordered his way through anything he's wanted. He's completely shifted the power of government to the Executive branch and the GOP-controlled Congress has barely challenged him despite their complaining. They've had a few victories here and there, but overall, he's basically run circles around Congress. If you want to study how to get stuff done as a politician, hate his policies or not, take a good look at Obama's 2nd term.

He was weak in his 1st term, but to his credit, he did get the ACA through...something no other President was able to accomplish for the longest time.

[YoUDeeMan]

and concerns over his inexperience proved to be correct- he wound up being an ineffective president. the only times he WAS effective it was in created legislative disasters or weakening the third leg of congressional oversight

but you are right- he WOULD win a third term, and I would probably vote for him - solely because he would an ineffective version of the other two. I prefer government not getting anything done

Ineffective? Obama has completely shat on Congress these last few years and executive ordered his way through anything he's wanted. He's completely shifted the power of government to the Executive branch and the GOP-controlled Congress has barely challenged him despite their complaining. They've had a few victories here and there, but overall, he's basically run circles around Congress. If you want to study how to get stuff done as a politician, hate his policies or not, take a good look at Obama's 2nd term.

He was weak in his 1st term, but to his credit, he did get the ACA through...something no other President was able to accomplish for the longest time.

JFC, you continue to prove you are an idiot.

The ACA is hardly a success.

If that is what you are hanging your hat on, aside from the consolidation of power that defies what this country is about (welcome to Saudi Arabia, top down government, you idiot), then you are to be reviled by any democracy loving person on the planet.

Congrats.

What you fail to recognize is that you are part of the problem.

If the next President is so power struck as to order executive fiats that take away so-called rights of faggots, then would you be so awestruck as to how that President defied our balance of powers in order to execute his desires?

Here's a fact that you will deny...Obama has helped killed more moderate Muslins, and supported governments (that means, actual people...yes he supports people - governments - that hate) that have killed gays, women victims (yeah,. those innocent Muslin women who get sentenced to death because they were raped), and other minorities than almost any other President.

Oh, you deny that?



Sorry, Trip...but you are a supporter of bigotry. You associate yourself with, and publicly support, demagogues of the worst sort.

The funny thing is that you byotch about Trump being the racist...but it is YOU who are so self-centered that you support the President, and Hillary, who changed the very definition we use to identify civilians. You support the people who supply weapons to virtually EVERYONE in order to destabilize the world so that a few wealthy people can benefit from the chaos and death of others.

Go ahead...say something like, "Yeah, but..."

Deep inside, you are a bigot. A huge BIGOT. You simply want things to go your way...regardless of who pays for your success.

You say I don't know you.

I do know you.

Passive? Peaceful? NO effing way.

You just let others to do you dirty work. You'd be a dictator is you had the chance.

Rooting for Hillary...that is all anyone needs to know about you.

[houndawg]

Ineffective? Obama has completely shat on Congress these last few years and executive ordered his way through anything he's wanted. He's completely shifted the power of government to the Executive branch and the GOP-controlled Congress has barely challenged him despite their complaining. They've had a few victories here and there, but overall, he's basically run circles around Congress. If you want to study how to get stuff done as a politician, hate his policies or not, take a good look at Obama's 2nd term.

He was weak in his 1st term, but to his credit, he did get the ACA through...something no other President was able to accomplish for the longest time.

JFC, you continue to prove you are an idiot.

The ACA is hardly a success.

If that is what you are hanging your hat on, aside from the consolidation of power that defies what this country is about (welcome to Saudi Arabia, top down government, you idiot), then you are to be reviled by any democracy loving person on the planet.

Congrats.

What you fail to recognize is that you are part of the problem.

If the next President is so power struck as to order executive fiats that take away so-called rights of faggots, then would you be so awestruck as to how that President defied our balance of powers in order to execute his desires?

Here's a fact that you will deny...Obama has helped killed more moderate Muslins, and supported governments (that means, actual people...yes he supports people - governments - that hate) that have killed gays, women victims (yeah,. those innocent Muslin women who get sentenced to death because they were raped), and other minorities than almost any other President.

Oh, you deny that?



Sorry, Trip...but you are a supporter of bigotry. You associate yourself with, and publicly support, demagogues of the worst sort.

The funny thing is that you byotch about Trump being the racist...but it is YOU who are so self-centered that you support the President, and Hillary, who changed the very definition we use to identify civilians. You support the people who supply weapons to virtually EVERYONE in order to destabilize the world so that a few wealthy people can benefit from the chaos and death of others.

Go ahead...say something like, "Yeah, but..."

Deep inside, you are a bigot. A huge BIGOT. You simply want things to go your way...regardless of who pays for your success.

You say I don't know you.

I do know you.

Passive? Peaceful? NO effing way.

You just let others to do you dirty work. You'd be a dictator is you had the chance.

Rooting for Hillary...that is all anyone needs to know about you.

...nice job of missing his point on purpose, (a favorite part of your schtick), which was that he got it passed, not that the ACA itself was a success. Which it was if you're an insurance company.
Obama has simply used the same tool as the tool that preceded him in office to get something he wanted from a congress that swore to make him a one term President and then took their ball and went home when their plan failed miserably. Basically he has kicked the shit out of Congress as they sit and do nothing, which in and of itself is pretty hilarious. Especially fun to watch Mitch McConnell whine and snivel about how the NRA should pick the next SCOTUS judge.

[houndawg]

JFC, you continue to prove you are an idiot.

The ACA is hardly a success.

If that is what you are hanging your hat on, aside from the consolidation of power that defies what this country is about (welcome to Saudi Arabia, top down government, you idiot), then you are to be reviled by any democracy loving person on the planet.

Congrats.

What you fail to recognize is that you are part of the problem.

If the next President is so power struck as to order executive fiats that take away so-called rights of faggots, then would you be so awestruck as to how that President defied our balance of powers in order to execute his desires?

Here's a fact that you will deny...Obama has helped killed more moderate Muslins, and supported governments (that means, actual people...yes he supports people - governments - that hate) that have killed gays, women victims (yeah,. those innocent Muslin women who get sentenced to death because they were raped), and other minorities than almost any other President.

Oh, you deny that?



Sorry, Trip...but you are a supporter of bigotry. You associate yourself with, and publicly support, demagogues of the worst sort.

The funny thing is that you byotch about Trump being the racist...but it is YOU who are so self-centered that you support the President, and Hillary, who changed the very definition we use to identify civilians. You support the people who supply weapons to virtually EVERYONE in order to destabilize the world so that a few wealthy people can benefit from the chaos and death of others.

Go ahead...say something like, "Yeah, but..."

Deep inside, you are a bigot. A huge BIGOT. You simply want things to go your way...regardless of who pays for your success.

You say I don't know you.

I do know you.

Passive? Peaceful? NO effing way.

You just let others to do you dirty work. You'd be a dictator is you had the chance.

Rooting for Hillary...that is all anyone needs to know about you.

...nice job of missing his point on purpose, (a favorite part of your schtick), which was that he got it passed, not that the ACA itself was a success. Which it was if you're an insurance company.
Obama has simply used the same tool as the tool that preceded him in office to get something he wanted from a congress that swore to make him a one term President and then took their ball and went home when their plan failed miserably. Basically he has kicked the **** out of Congress as they sit and do nothing, which in and of itself is pretty hilarious. Especially fun to watch Mitch McConnell whine and snivel about how the NRA should pick the next SCOTUS judge. :noteworthy:

And of course you and your fellow bed-wetting hand-wringers were all about "signing statements" and such when they were about things like supporting torture. Now that the shoe is on the other political foot you revert to the traditional conk tactic of being a chickenhawk chicken little. It fvcking hilarious.

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That's a helluva rant.

Cluck, you extracted way more from my post than what I was thinking.

[DSUrocks07]

JFC, you continue to prove you are an idiot.

The ACA is hardly a success.

If that is what you are hanging your hat on, aside from the consolidation of power that defies what this country is about (welcome to Saudi Arabia, top down government, you idiot), then you are to be reviled by any democracy loving person on the planet.

Congrats.

What you fail to recognize is that you are part of the problem.

If the next President is so power struck as to order executive fiats that take away so-called rights of faggots, then would you be so awestruck as to how that President defied our balance of powers in order to execute his desires?

Here's a fact that you will deny...Obama has helped killed more moderate Muslins, and supported governments (that means, actual people...yes he supports people - governments - that hate) that have killed gays, women victims (yeah,. those innocent Muslin women who get sentenced to death because they were raped), and other minorities than almost any other President.

Oh, you deny that?



Sorry, Trip...but you are a supporter of bigotry. You associate yourself with, and publicly support, demagogues of the worst sort.

The funny thing is that you byotch about Trump being the racist...but it is YOU who are so self-centered that you support the President, and Hillary, who changed the very definition we use to identify civilians. You support the people who supply weapons to virtually EVERYONE in order to destabilize the world so that a few wealthy people can benefit from the chaos and death of others.

Go ahead...say something like, "Yeah, but..."

Deep inside, you are a bigot. A huge BIGOT. You simply want things to go your way...regardless of who pays for your success.

You say I don't know you.

I do know you.

Passive? Peaceful? NO effing way.

You just let others to do you dirty work. You'd be a dictator is you had the chance.

Rooting for Hillary...that is all anyone needs to know about you.

...nice job of missing his point on purpose, (a favorite part of your schtick), which was that he got it passed, not that the ACA itself was a success. Which it was if you're an insurance company.
Obama has simply used the same tool as the tool that preceded him in office to get something he wanted from a congress that swore to make him a one term President and then took their ball and went home when their plan failed miserably. Basically he has kicked the **** out of Congress as they sit and do nothing, which in and of itself is pretty hilarious. Especially fun to watch Mitch McConnell whine and snivel about how the NRA should pick the next SCOTUS judge.

Obama had jackshit to do with getting the ACA passed, outside of signing it.

The ACA was Pelosi's and Reid's pet, it's super easy to get your pet projects through when your party controls it every step of the way.

Once again another example of a President taking credit/getting blamed for shit he had very little to do with.

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To be fair, it was a cornerstone part of President Obama's 2008 campaign, although Congress did ultimately do the leg work on it.

[BDKJMU]

and concerns over his inexperience proved to be correct- he wound up being an ineffective president. the only times he WAS effective it was in created legislative disasters or weakening the third leg of congressional oversight

but you are right- he WOULD win a third term, and I would probably vote for him - solely because he would an ineffective version of the other two. I prefer government not getting anything done

Ineffective? Obama has completely shat on Congress these last few years and executive ordered his way through anything he's wanted. He's completely shifted the power of government to the Executive branch and the GOP-controlled Congress has barely challenged him despite their complaining. They've had a few victories here and there, but overall, he's basically run circles around Congress. If you want to study how to get stuff done as a politician, hate his policies or not, take a good look at Obama's 2nd term.

He was weak in his 1st term, but to his credit, he did get the ACA through...something no other President was able to accomplish for the longest time.

What significant Exec actions has he taken that haven't been at at least stayed by the courts?

[GannonFan]

Ineffective? Obama has completely shat on Congress these last few years and executive ordered his way through anything he's wanted. He's completely shifted the power of government to the Executive branch and the GOP-controlled Congress has barely challenged him despite their complaining. They've had a few victories here and there, but overall, he's basically run circles around Congress. If you want to study how to get stuff done as a politician, hate his policies or not, take a good look at Obama's 2nd term.

He was weak in his 1st term, but to his credit, he did get the ACA through...something no other President was able to accomplish for the longest time.

What significant Exec actions has he taken that haven't been at at least stayed by the courts?

I kinda agree on this - what exactly is being accomplished as he does this? It seems more like flailing at things. Granted, Congress looks incompetent, but Obama isn't really getting things done via these executive orders. It makes some noise and gets some headlines, but most of the efforts really come to very little in the end. We're stuck in neutral right now and the executive orders aren't shifting the gears at all.

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What significant Exec actions has he taken that haven't been at at least stayed by the courts?

I kinda agree on this - what exactly is being accomplished as he does this? It seems more like flailing at things. Granted, Congress looks incompetent, but Obama isn't really getting things done via these executive orders. It makes some noise and gets some headlines, but most of the efforts really come to very little in the end. We're stuck in neutral right now and the executive orders aren't shifting the gears at all.

Expanding federal benefits to gay couples before same-sex marriage was legalized, increasing the minimum wage for federal contractors, adding mental illnesses to background checks for gun purchases, the large amount of Environmental mandates (most than any other President), upgrading the frankly inefficient technology the US government has been using in day-to-day operations, and the big one being the deferral of deportation of those who came into the US illegally as children (DACA).

There's also a lot more that have a decent amount of significance to them: https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefing-roo ... ive-orders

[Ivytalk]

I kinda agree on this - what exactly is being accomplished as he does this? It seems more like flailing at things. Granted, Congress looks incompetent, but Obama isn't really getting things done via these executive orders. It makes some noise and gets some headlines, but most of the efforts really come to very little in the end. We're stuck in neutral right now and the executive orders aren't shifting the gears at all.

Expanding federal benefits to gay couples before same-sex marriage was legalized, increasing the minimum wage for federal contractors, adding mental illnesses to background checks for gun purchases, the large amount of Environmental mandates (most than any other President), upgrading the frankly inefficient technology the US government has been using in day-to-day operations, and the big one being the deferral of deportation of those who came into the US illegally as children (DACA).

There's also a lot more that have a decent amount of significance to them: https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefing-roo ... ive-orders

So it sounds like you support Obama's unconstitutional usurpation of Congressional power and the rise of the administrative state.

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Expanding federal benefits to gay couples before same-sex marriage was legalized, increasing the minimum wage for federal contractors, adding mental illnesses to background checks for gun purchases, the large amount of Environmental mandates (most than any other President), upgrading the frankly inefficient technology the US government has been using in day-to-day operations, and the big one being the deferral of deportation of those who came into the US illegally as children (DACA).

There's also a lot more that have a decent amount of significance to them: https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefing-roo ... ive-orders

So it sounds like you support Obama's unconstitutional usurpation of Congressional power and the rise of the administrative state.

I see it as a constant tug-of-war between the branches with the legislative branch unable to get out of its own way right now. Obama isn't really doing anything different than what past Presidents did and when he does overstep his Constitutional authority, the SCOTUS has done a good job keeping him in check.

[Ivytalk]

So it sounds like you support Obama's unconstitutional usurpation of Congressional power and the rise of the administrative state.

I see it as a constant tug-of-war between the branches with the legislative branch unable to get out of its own way right now. Obama isn't really doing anything different than what past Presidents have done and when he does overstep his Constitutional authority, the SCOTUS has done a good job keeping him in check.

Oh, I think his use of executive orders is light-years worse than any of his predecessors -- in scope if not in number. And if the SCOTUS flips to Donk, that check will not be available.

[CID1990]

We'll see how much the left likes executive fiat once President Trump gets ahold of that pen and phone.

I'm starting to pull for the guy just for the total freakout meltdown that will occur

[Ivytalk]

We'll see how much the left likes executive fiat once President Trump gets ahold of that pen and phone.

I'm starting to pull for the guy just for the total freakout meltdown that will occur

Be careful what you wish for.

[CID1990]

We'll see how much the left likes executive fiat once President Trump gets ahold of that pen and phone.

I'm starting to pull for the guy just for the total freakout meltdown that will occur

Be careful what you wish for.

Given the choices I don't think it really matters.

[houndawg]

Expanding federal benefits to gay couples before same-sex marriage was legalized, increasing the minimum wage for federal contractors, adding mental illnesses to background checks for gun purchases, the large amount of Environmental mandates (most than any other President), upgrading the frankly inefficient technology the US government has been using in day-to-day operations, and the big one being the deferral of deportation of those who came into the US illegally as children (DACA).

There's also a lot more that have a decent amount of significance to them: https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefing-roo ... ive-orders

So it sounds like you support Obama's unconstitutional usurpation of Congressional power and the rise of the administrative state.

Wrong. The power isn't being usurped by Obama, it's being abdicated by Congress.

[houndawg]

Be careful what you wish for.

Given the choices I don't think it really matters.

Yep. If it can't be Bernie it might as well be His Bankruptness just to stick one in the eye of the RNC.

And when you think about it, a Prez that has gone bankrupt four times is sure to make the Chinese nervous as all hell..

[houndawg]

...nice job of missing his point on purpose, (a favorite part of your schtick), which was that he got it passed, not that the ACA itself was a success. Which it was if you're an insurance company.
Obama has simply used the same tool as the tool that preceded him in office to get something he wanted from a congress that swore to make him a one term President and then took their ball and went home when their plan failed miserably. Basically he has kicked the **** out of Congress as they sit and do nothing, which in and of itself is pretty hilarious. Especially fun to watch Mitch McConnell whine and snivel about how the NRA should pick the next SCOTUS judge.

Obama had jackshit to do with getting the ACA passed, outside of signing it.

The ACA was Pelosi's and Reid's pet, it's super easy to get your pet projects through when your party controls it every step of the way.

Once again another example of a President taking credit/getting blamed for **** he had very little to do with.

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You win by having things your way.

[Ivytalk]

So it sounds like you support Obama's unconstitutional usurpation of Congressional power and the rise of the administrative state.

Wrong. The power isn't being usurped by Obama, it's being abdicated by Congress.

What are you talking about? This Congress wouldn't have approved a single one of the measures that Obama enacted by executive fiat.

Go back to Mexico. This board made more sense while you were away.

[BDKJMU]

I kinda agree on this - what exactly is being accomplished as he does this? It seems more like flailing at things. Granted, Congress looks incompetent, but Obama isn't really getting things done via these executive orders. It makes some noise and gets some headlines, but most of the efforts really come to very little in the end. We're stuck in neutral right now and the executive orders aren't shifting the gears at all.

Expanding federal benefits to gay couples before same-sex marriage was legalized, increasing the minimum wage for federal contractors, adding mental illnesses to background checks for gun purchases, the large amount of Environmental mandates (most than any other President), upgrading the frankly inefficient technology the US government has been using in day-to-day operations, and the big one being the deferral of deportation of those who came into the US illegally as children (DACA).

There's also a lot more that have a decent amount of significance to them: https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefing-roo ... ive-orders

The "federal" ones aren't that significant in the grand scheme of things.
-Only affected fag couples that were fed employees, and is now moot with SCOTUS decision.
-I doubt many fed contractors were making fed minimum wage of $7.25 an hr when Obama issued exec order.

If you're talking this one vis a vi background checks it hasn't been implemented yet, and will likely face a court challenge, to not be decided until after Obama leaves office.

The Big One was Obama's attempt at a massive expansion of the initial more limited DACA, which has been halted by the fed courts and will ultimately be decided by SCOTUS.

As far as environmental Obama lost on a number of cases, including on likely his biggest one vs the Courts last year: Michigan vs EPA. He did win on his effort to kill coal, which is his biggest victory.

[houndawg]

Wrong. The power isn't being usurped by Obama, it's being abdicated by Congress.

What are you talking about? This Congress wouldn't have approved a single one of the measures that Obama enacted by executive fiat.

Go back to Mexico. This board made more sense while you were away.

Yes. They wouldn't have done anything. At all. Per status quo.

[BDKJMU]

3+ hrs ago:
"Mister 1,237: North Dakota delegate puts Trump over the top

WASHINGTON – John Trandem wanted to be the delegate who would put Donald Trump over the top, giving him enough delegates to clinch the Republican presidential nomination.

But when he was contacted by an Associated Press reporter, the AP delegate count stood at 1,235 — two delegates short.

"I'm happy to be No. 1,237," said Trandem, a small business owner from North Dakota. "But I won't commit until you're at 1,236."

Trandem is an unbound delegate, meaning he is free to support the candidate of his choice. All 28 Republican delegates in North Dakota are unbound because the state party declined to have a primary or caucus.

Trandem, who lives north of Fargo, was reached on his wife's mobile phone. He was on his way to an event where he and other North Dakota delegates would meet Trump, giving the billionaire businessman enough delegates to clinch the nomination.

Wanting to break the story first, reporters were calling and emailing unbound delegates across the country."