BYU Rapes a Student

[CAA Flagship]

No.

Actually, we're making fun of you. You just haven't figured it out yet.

You got the warm and funnies when you thought DSU had ended the thread. After that it's pretty much been mop up work for me.

*fuzzies

[JohnStOnge]

Wait...she was raped because she violated the honor code?

I think you said that twice in there.

What in the **** does the honor code have to do with getting raped?

Is this the "cause and effect" you keep yammering about?

It turns out the one in the story linked at the top of this thread isn't the one I saw on TV that did drugs; though the one in the linked story is also prominently featured in the TV piece (see video at http://www.cnn.com/2016/04/29/health/br ... sity-rape/).

When the woman involved let the guy go to her apartment and be alone with her that was probably a violation of the honor code. Her decision was a factor in her getting raped. Would she have ended up being raped if she hadn't done that? The answer is "no."

Look, if I were college age person looking for a school I wouldn't go to BYU. You have to agree not to even drink coffee. No way I'd agree not to drink coffee. But if you decide to go there and you agree to follow their honor code as a condition of doing that you shouldn't be bitching if they say you didn't follow the honor code.

[JohnStOnge]

This whole "blaming the victim" cliche when somebody points out that a person's own behavior can be a factor in them being victimized is a bunch of crap. It's like if I go into the worst neighborhood of New Orleans with an expensive digital camera around my neck, wearing an expensive watch, dressed like I'm rich, and flashing money around I'm increasing the chances that I'm going to get mugged. And if I do get mugged the person who mugged me should be arrested and prosecuted. But that doesn't mean my own behavior didn't contribute to the risk of that happening to me. And saying my own behavior increased my risk isn't excusing the person that mugged me.

[Grizalltheway]

I seem to remember Jimmer Fredette violated the honor code by having sex with his girlfriend or something. Shockingly, they still let him play basketball and graduate.

[kalm]

This whole "blaming the victim" cliche when somebody points out that a person's own behavior can be a factor in them being victimized is a bunch of crap. It's like if I go into the worst neighborhood of New Orleans with an expensive digital camera around my neck, wearing an expensive watch, dressed like I'm rich, and flashing money around I'm increasing the chances that I'm going to get mugged. And if I do get mugged the person who mugged me should be arrested and prosecuted. But that doesn't mean my own behavior didn't contribute to the risk of that happening to me. And saying my own behavior increased my risk isn't excusing the person that mugged me.

Yes. Because that's soooo similar to having a 39 year old man in your room. She should expect to be raped under the circumstances!

[YoUDeeMan]

So here's a Statemet:



So you agree to an honor code. You violate your agreement and it results in you getting raped. Then you want the institution to ignore the fact that you violated that honor code.

This "blame the victim" stuff has got to stop. You know what? Women do actually have some responsibility for their actions and the decisions they make and the consequences of those decisions.

That does not mean that the rapist shouldn't be prosecuted. But this kind of thing where women want to be exempted from an honor code system they agreed to because them violating their agreement led to them being raped is ridiculous.

You are seriously a really terrible person.

No...he is correct.

If you violate an honor code...you should be held accountable.

[YoUDeeMan]

Ummmm....JSO is saying she got raped for violating the honor code.

No. Reading comprehension is not your strength right now.

[YoUDeeMan]

Ummmm....JSO is saying she got raped for violating the honor code. Neither the article title nor the article itself claims she was kicked out for being raped. The student did say that BYU's treatment of her has been almost as bad as the rape itself, which is what I based the thread title on.

From your article...

Madi Barney sat sobbing in the Provo, Utah, police department. It had been four days since the Brigham Young University sophomore had been raped in her off-campus apartment.

She was scared – terrified – that the officials at her strict, Mormon university would find out and punish her.

It says it right there in plain Engrish. She was scared she would be punished for being raped. That was the first two sentences of the 'article'....nevermind all the "victim blaming" and "victim shaming" references throughout the article.

Jeeezus Christ in America, it is obvious most of the time, but do you not read the articles you link to?

I mind my own business, but it's so much fun throwing the hypocrisy of the left in their faces and watching people like you twist yourself into a pretzel trying to explain it all away...nuance and all that.

Baldy, FTW.

[YoUDeeMan]

No one, including the victims is challenging BYU's RIGHTS to have and enforce their honor code.

110,000 idiots are, indeed, challenging BYU's honor code.

[Chizzang]

I've been watching this train wreck of a thread... and can't stand it anymore
Anybody defending BYU's honor Code is simply an idiot
BYU doesn't even honor their own honor code
They simply use it as a tool whenever it's convenient to boot somebody (or not)

Secondly:
BYU is a school founded by one of the worlds most insufferable hypocrites
and a man who hand no honor himself - nor dignity or sense of truth or moral character

He was pretty much a piece of human dog sh!t
and his school is run by the same - to this day

The End...

[kalm]

No one, including the victims is challenging BYU's RIGHTS to have and enforce their honor code.

110,000 idiots are, indeed, challenging BYU's honor code.

Jebus...talk about reading comprehension...

Even JSO back peddled from this...

I heart you Clucky, but go to bed...

[kalm]

I've been watching this train wreck of a thread... and can't stand it anymore
Anybody defending BYU's honor Code is simply an idiot
BYU doesn't even honor their own honor code
They simply use it as a tool whenever it's convenient to boot somebody (or not)

Secondly:
BYU is a school founded by one of the worlds most insufferable hypocrites
and a man who hand no honor himself - nor dignity or sense of truth or moral character

He was pretty much a piece of human dog sh!t
and his school is run by the same - to this day

The End...

Yup.

[Baldy]

No.

Actually, we're making fun of you. You just haven't figured it out yet.

You got the warm and funnies when you thought DSU had ended the thread. After that it's pretty much been mop up work for me.

You're always busy mopping up your messes. I just loved the "oh I was just trolling" part.

So effective...and believable.

[Baldy]

I've been watching this train wreck of a thread... and can't stand it anymore
Anybody defending BYU's honor Code is simply an idiot
BYU doesn't even honor their own honor code
They simply use it as a tool whenever it's convenient to boot somebody (or not)

Secondly:
BYU is a school founded by one of the worlds most insufferable hypocrites
and a man who hand no honor himself - nor dignity or sense of truth or moral character

He was pretty much a piece of human dog sh!t
and his school is run by the same - to this day

The End...

Jeezus Fucking Christ Clitzy...

Fuck BYU and their honor code. Anyone who would go there is a complete and total fucking moron, BUT....

You went there and signed on the dotted line, you're on the hook. Too bad, so sad...

[kalm]

You got the warm and funnies when you thought DSU had ended the thread. After that it's pretty much been mop up work for me.

You're always busy mopping up your messes. I just loved the "oh I was just trolling" part.

So effective...and believable.

Yeah...my thread title of "BYU Rapes a Student" wasn't trolling...at all!!!

All I've argued here is:

1) Mormon's are victim blaming (Even JSO has backed off of this a bit)

2) Mormon's are weird (and Baldy agrees)

3) She wasn't raped because she violated the honor code.

You couldn't trip over your dick fast enough when you thought DSU had landed a shot on old Klammy.

I've got it just about finished now...

[Baldy]

You're always busy mopping up your messes. I just loved the "oh I was just trolling" part.

So effective...and believable.

Yeah...my thread title of "BYU Rapes a Student" wasn't trolling...at all!!!

All I've argued here is:

1) Mormon's are victim blaming (Even JSO has backed off of this a bit)

2) Mormon's are weird (and Baldy agrees)

3) She wasn't raped because she violated the honor code.

You couldn't trip over your dick fast enough when you thought DSU had landed a shot on old Klammy.

I've got it just about finished now...

DSU knocked you the fuck out Glass Joe.



You're still punch drunk.

You still haven't refuted a word he said.

Nobody has said she wasn't raped. Even the Mormons.

Oh, almost forgot:

*Mormons

[kalm]

I honestly don't know what made my hands go for the apostrophes there.

Oh yeah...directional university...

[93henfan]

So here's a Statemet:



So you agree to an honor code. You violate your agreement and it results in you getting raped. Then you want the institution to ignore the fact that you violated that honor code.

This "blame the victim" stuff has got to stop. You know what? Women do actually have some responsibility for their actions and the decisions they make and the consequences of those decisions.

That does not mean that the rapist shouldn't be prosecuted. But this kind of thing where women want to be exempted from an honor code system they agreed to because them violating their agreement led to them being raped is ridiculous.

You are seriously a really terrible person.

It reminds me of the muslin women who get hung or stoned to death for adultery when they accidentally look up and make eye contact with a man other than their husband (who chose them as wife while they were still in preschool, btw).

[YoUDeeMan]

110,000 idiots are, indeed, challenging BYU's honor code.

Jebus...talk about reading comprehension...

Even JSO back peddled from this...

I heart you Clucky, but go to bed...

Aren't some people challenging BYU's honor code?

[YoUDeeMan]

3) She wasn't raped because she violated the honor code.

Did she let the guy in her room?

Is letting guys in your room a violation of the honor code?

If she hadn't violated the honor code by letting him in the room, would she have been raped?

Just checking.

[kalm]

Jebus...talk about reading comprehension...

Even JSO back peddled from this...

I heart you Clucky, but go to bed...

Aren't some people challenging BYU's honor code?

Reading comprehension, Clucky. I said the "right to have an honor code".

[kalm]

3) She wasn't raped because she violated the honor code.

Did she let the guy in her room?

Is letting guys in your room a violation of the honor code?

If she hadn't violated the honor code by letting him in the room, would she have been raped?

Just checking.

You just went full Baldy on me. Don't ever go full Baldy....

[CID1990]

I've been watching this train wreck of a thread... and can't stand it anymore
Anybody defending BYU's honor Code is simply an idiot
BYU doesn't even honor their own honor code
They simply use it as a tool whenever it's convenient to boot somebody (or not)

Secondly:
BYU is a school founded by one of the worlds most insufferable hypocrites
and a man who hand no honor himself - nor dignity or sense of truth or moral character

He was pretty much a piece of human dog sh!t
and his school is run by the same - to this day

The End...

You forgot to mention that you don't really care though- since its a private school and a girl getting porked while tripping on acid and then getting kicked out of school 1000 miles away from you will not bring about the downfall of the republic

[93henfan]

I didn't read the whole thread because I'm lazy. If this was covered, sorry.

Agree she violated the honor code. However, she was also raped.

Does the JSO/Baldy/Cluck camp submit that rape victims should be silent so as to avoid possible honor code violations?

Sounds like BYU is basically inviting rapists to their campus because it's the best place to get away with it. Just give a chick a beer before you rape her and you're good.

[Chizzang]

I've been watching this train wreck of a thread... and can't stand it anymore
Anybody defending BYU's honor Code is simply an idiot
BYU doesn't even honor their own honor code
They simply use it as a tool whenever it's convenient to boot somebody (or not)

Secondly:
BYU is a school founded by one of the worlds most insufferable hypocrites
and a man who hand no honor himself - nor dignity or sense of truth or moral character

He was pretty much a piece of human dog sh!t
and his school is run by the same - to this day

The End...

You forgot to mention that you don't really care though- since its a private school and a girl getting porked while tripping on acid and then getting kicked out of school 1000 miles away from you will not bring about the downfall of the republic

It is true that I don't really care...
But the idea that there is an active debate on here about BYU's honor code is ridiculous

BYU has no honor themselves
They continue to prove that over and over and over again

It would be like watching Baldy defend Hilary Clinton's honor - just try to imagine that
Because that's about how ridiculous this BYU "honor" thing is