kalm wrote:I have to admit, the amount of success he's had surprises me and his decision is completely vindicated.GannonFan wrote:bump - always a good thread to revisit. I bet Vernon Adams is just crying himself to sleep in Eugene these days.
Uhhh...no. He didn't turn it around. You were wrong from the get-go...as usual.dbackjon wrote:kalm wrote:
I have to admit, the amount of success he's had surprises me and his decision is completely vindicated.
Agreed - he has turned it around
Cluck U wrote:Uhhh...no. He didn't turn it around. You were wrong from the get-go...as usual.dbackjon wrote:
Agreed - he has turned it around
No...he did well his first game. Then he got hurt. Using your logic, if he stayed at EWU, and got hurt, Adams decision would have been a mistake.dbackjon wrote:Cluck U wrote:
Uhhh...no. He didn't turn it around. You were wrong from the get-go...as usual.
Yes, he did turn it around. You are mistaken, which is your natural state.
Cluck's kinda right here, what did he turn around? He played well right out of the gate at Oregon. Only an injury got in his way and we got to see that without him, Oregon wasn't anything special. Turning it around would imply that he played poorly and got better. I think he played pretty well to start and is now almost indispensable.dbackjon wrote:kalm wrote:
I have to admit, the amount of success he's had surprises me and his decision is completely vindicated.
Agreed - he has turned it around
http://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nfl/ada ... li=BBnb7KzHe’s seen other quarterbacks in this draft class up close, in Pac-12 games against Jared Goff of Cal, and Cody Kessler of USC and Kevin Hogan from Stanford -- Adams’ Ducks won each of those games, he’ll point out -- and watched more North Dakota State film of Wentz than many draft analysts have thanks to years’ worth of studying common Big Sky conference opponents.
“I feel like I'm as good as everybody else, or better than everybody else in this draft,” Adams told USA TODAY Sports.
If Adams were the one putting together quarterback rankings, he’d put himself second, behind only Wentz, because he believes the pro-style offense Wentz ran at North Dakota State makes Wentz the most pro-ready quarterback in this class.
But the rest of the bunch? Goff, who could be the No. 1 overall pick by the Los Angeles Rams, and Memphis’ Paxton Lynch or Michigan State’s Connor Cook or Mississippi State’s Dak Prescott? Adams is daring teams to take one of those guys instead of him.
“I've played Jared Goff. They always want to talk about my hands being too small, but my hands are bigger than his. I've played in snowy games. I've played in rainy games. I've played in negative-15 degree games. Look at my wins to losses, look at my touchdowns to interceptions. Look at my career yards,” Adams said. “I'm not a cocky dude, I just want everybody to know that everything that everyone else is doing, I can do it as well. It’s just so much on my height.”
He's the same height as Russell Wilson. Just saying.EWURanger wrote:I think by now everyone can agree that he was a ridiculously good college QB. I wish he hadn't had to deal with the broken hand this year, because had he not I think he could have been a real heisman contender (yep I'm serious). Once he finally did come back healthy and started lighting people up, no EWU fans were surprised. After all, we'd seen it all before.
That said, the odds are obviously very much stacked against him in terms of getting drafted. Him being only 5'11 is a huge issue and he didn't have a great pro day. Maybe someone takes a shot on him in one of the later rounds, and I hope someone does. But most of what I've read projects him as an UDFA. So maybe be tries that route for a couple of years. If it doesn't work out, I think he could be an awesome CFL QB.
His height will still be a factor unfortunately, but the bigger knock will be his size in terms of build; he's not like Wilson in that regard, which as we've seen, makes him more susceptible to injury.GannonFan wrote:He's the same height as Russell Wilson. Just saying.EWURanger wrote:I think by now everyone can agree that he was a ridiculously good college QB. I wish he hadn't had to deal with the broken hand this year, because had he not I think he could have been a real heisman contender (yep I'm serious). Once he finally did come back healthy and started lighting people up, no EWU fans were surprised. After all, we'd seen it all before.
That said, the odds are obviously very much stacked against him in terms of getting drafted. Him being only 5'11 is a huge issue and he didn't have a great pro day. Maybe someone takes a shot on him in one of the later rounds, and I hope someone does. But most of what I've read projects him as an UDFA. So maybe be tries that route for a couple of years. If it doesn't work out, I think he could be an awesome CFL QB.
Huh? Wilson's like 5 lbs heavier than Adams and that's after already being in the NFL. And Adams' main injury last year was a hurt finger. How did his size or lack thereof result in that injury?Screamin_Eagle174 wrote:His height will still be a factor unfortunately, but the bigger knock will be his size in terms of build; he's not like Wilson in that regard, which as we've seen, makes him more susceptible to injury.GannonFan wrote:
He's the same height as Russell Wilson. Just saying.
That said, I think he'll get a good shot either late round or UDFA to prove himself in the NFL.
Wilson plays at around 210/215. Adams is 195 on a good day, and has a much more slight frame; he's not thickly built like Wilson.GannonFan wrote:Huh? Wilson's like 5 lbs heavier than Adams and that's after already being in the NFL. And Adams' main injury last year was a hurt finger. How did his size or lack thereof result in that injury?Screamin_Eagle174 wrote: His height will still be a factor unfortunately, but the bigger knock will be his size in terms of build; he's not like Wilson in that regard, which as we've seen, makes him more susceptible to injury.
That said, I think he'll get a good shot either late round or UDFA to prove himself in the NFL.
This. I don't know what weight Wilson was playing at for most of his college career, but Adams had to work to put on weight. I remember when he was playing as a Freshman - he could not have been much more than 175.Screamin_Eagle174 wrote:Wilson plays at around 210/215. Adams is 195 on a good day, and has a much more slight frame; he's not thickly built like Wilson.GannonFan wrote:
Huh? Wilson's like 5 lbs heavier than Adams and that's after already being in the NFL. And Adams' main injury last year was a hurt finger. How did his size or lack thereof result in that injury?
Vindicated in the sense that he proved he could play against P5 competition, which everyone already knew based on his performances against P12 schools.kalm wrote:His move was still vindicated, but he goes undrafted while a 4 year FCS kid goes in the 1st round.
The NFL (especially the draft) is all about measurables. It's how mistakes like Leaf, Russell, etc., etc. keep being made while guys like Brady (6th), Montana (5th) and Wilson keep being made. Tough to measure heart.EWURanger wrote:Vindicated in the sense that he proved he could play against P5 competition, which everyone already knew based on his performances against P12 schools.kalm wrote:His move was still vindicated, but he goes undrafted while a 4 year FCS kid goes in the 1st round.
I think he improved his visibility immensely. But I'm not sure he increased his chances at all. Level of competition doesn't seem to weigh anywhere near as heavily as measurables do. I think a lot of people said that to begin with.
This. Accuracy and the ability to quickly process information are far greater attributes than size and arm strength.AZGrizFan wrote:The NFL (especially the draft) is all about measurables. It's how mistakes like Leaf, Russell, etc., etc. keep being made while guys like Brady (6th), Montana (5th) and Wilson keep being made. Tough to measure heart.EWURanger wrote:
Vindicated in the sense that he proved he could play against P5 competition, which everyone already knew based on his performances against P12 schools.
I think he improved his visibility immensely. But I'm not sure he increased his chances at all. Level of competition doesn't seem to weigh anywhere near as heavily as measurables do. I think a lot of people said that to begin with.
Adams is a Tarkenton-like QB whose greatest strength has always been his ability to improvise & make plays on the run, so any sort of "system-QB" criticism of him doesn't really fit (not accurately, anyway).clenz wrote:It's possible that teams see the fact he played for two college systems that don't require much of anything that translate to the NFL. I know your instant reaction is going to be "well, mariota" but he's clearly the exception to the situation.
EWU and Oregon don't run systems that require long reads. Don't require a ton, if any, pre snap reads and adjustments.
Look at all the QBs that put gaudy numbers up at both but were t able to break into the league.
?clenz wrote:EWU and Oregon don't run systems that require long reads. Don't require a ton, if any, pre snap reads and adjustments.
The no huddle offense just reached UNI. Give him some time.EWURanger wrote:?clenz wrote:EWU and Oregon don't run systems that require long reads. Don't require a ton, if any, pre snap reads and adjustments.
They didn't sign him. Off to Washington…BlackFalkin wrote:He's in Seahawks camp right now. So.....
