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JohnStOnge wrote:
Take off your blinders, John.

Cruz questioned his patriotism to the US AND Israel.
I don't think I'm the one with blinders on. And really I don't think it's really blinders with you. I think that for some reason you are trying to stretch that Cruz and Hagel thing to make it seem comparable to what Trump said on the spur of the moment when questioned about McCain. And it's not comparable.
I can't believe you defend Cruz. He's, hands down, the worst choice we have. Of the 5 people still running you have 1 person that is the best choice. 1 person is the only person who is giving is "real talk" and a true "maverick."

If you loved America and truly, sincerely want a a man who shares your values, you must vote for Trump.


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JohnStOnge wrote:
Take off your blinders, John.

Cruz questioned his patriotism to the US AND Israel.
I don't think I'm the one with blinders on. And really I don't think it's really blinders with you. I think that for some reason you are trying to stretch that Cruz and Hagel thing to make it seem comparable to what Trump said on the spur of the moment when questioned about McCain. And it's not comparable.
You're problem is that you actually take Trump seriously. That you take take the entire system seriously. It's a complete and utter joke from the legalized corruption through the shit-show primary process.

Yet...Cruz evidently is principled... :rofl:

Your ability to judge character is seriously in question here...
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SDHornet wrote:I laugh when I hear people say that the president needs to compromise to get **** done. Obama never compromised, did whatever the **** he wanted, and got what he wanted done. Seriously people, stop thinking that compromise is needed to get **** done...especially when the next POTUS gets to sway the SCOTUS in their favor.
He got SOME of what he wanted done. For a real big one, his amnesty (fully at least) has been blocked so far by the courts, and is in front of SCOTUS as we speak..Foreign policy wise has been a disaster, not getting done a lot of what he wanted to get done. He has been excellent at blaming Republicans for not getting done what he wanted to get done.

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SDHornet wrote:
DSUrocks07 wrote: what exactly did Obama "get done" that he didn't have to compromise on? :suspicious:

Those executive orders? Nothing that couldn't be immediately rolled back in the next POTUS's first day in office.

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Obamacare (yeah Pelosi/Reid shoved it through but that was his main platform in ’08). He dealt with a conk controlled congress for most of his 8 years and implemented whatever programs he wanted without input from anyone (ie no budgets were passed that would have required compromise, limited the scope/spending of those programs). The conk austerity measures that Boehner “negotiated” were rolled back once Obama needed them out of the way. Obama has pwned the conks every step of the way on everything, how is that not getting his way on everything?

The only minor blips were a few SCOTUS decisions that went against him, but the next POTUS (hilldog) will be sure they don’t get in the way next time.
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93henfan wrote:
JohnStOnge wrote:By the way I'm watching Trump make an ass of himself once again at a rally right now and just shaking my head at how ANYBODY could possibly take him seriously and want him to be President. What the HELL is the matter with people? Among all the other stuff he's just a total buffoon and clown. He looks and sounds ridiculous.

This is a really, really embarrassing episode for the United States.
The most embarrassing episode already happened from Nov 2000 to noon on Jan 20, 2009.
You mean Nov 00' to current?
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houndawg wrote:
93henfan wrote:
"I like people who weren't captured" is troll level eleven. :lol: :notworthy:

You do realize that McCain probably took a hundred swipes at Trump before he said that? And who cares really? McCain served honorably and was a POW, but all is fair in politics. Just ask Ted Cruz.

McCain isn't really that different from Trump. He got where he did because of his dad, who schmoozed a slot for his son at USNS. Trump was actually a better student, as McCain barely got through Annapolis, finishing fifth from last in his class.

I wonder how he did in flight school? :coffee: And let's never forget that John McCain is the man who made Sarah Palin a thing.
He lost four or five aircraft - if his dad weren't an Admiral he wouldn't have seen carrier duty and would have been chairborne long before he was shot down.
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BDKJMU wrote:
93henfan wrote:
The most embarrassing episode already happened from Nov 2000 to noon on Jan 20, 2009.
You mean Nov 00' to current?
Yes, the current guys sucks too.
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can't believe you defend Cruz. He's, hands down, the worst choice we have. Of the 5 people still running you have 1 person that is the best choice. 1 person is the only person who is giving is "real talk" and a true "maverick."

If you loved America and truly, sincerely want a a man who shares your values, you must vote for Trump
Now THAT is a troll. But I'll bite at least to the point of saying that if you DON'T want Hillary or Bernie to be President Trump is clearly the worst choice you could make in terms of the person to run against either of them.

It's not only that he runs substantially weaker in polling against either than either Cruz or Kasich (and has since the beginning). It's also the fact that his background is such a target rich environment once you get into the general election against a Party that doesn't care about offending the zombies that are supporting him right now.

The ONLY hope he has is to get the nomination, have Hillary get the Democrat nomination, then have Hillary get indicted too late to allow the Democrats to field a replacement.

If that doesn't happen and he's the nominee the Democrats are going to get the biggest Electoral College landslide of my lifetime. Well...Johnson/Goldwater was in my lifetime and Johnson won that one 486 to 52 so MAYBE not. But it could be. It could be worse than that.

That's not the only reason to be against Trump but even if all you care about is having the Republican candidate win you are nuts if you support Trump to the nominee.
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Just a polling result for those who say Cruz is just the MOST unlikeable candidate:

Real Clear Politics favorable/unfavorable ratings:

Trump
Favorable 29.5 Unfavorable 64.5 Net -35.1

Cruz
Favorable 32.4 Unfavorable 53.6 Net -21.2

It's not like Cruz is popular. But you guys that keep saying Cruz this and Cruz that with respect to how unlikeable he is as though TRUMP is better off in that regard are just totally detached from reality. No politician in the history of modern polling has been as unpopular with the general electorate as Trump is right now. He is an absolute LEMON as a nominee. ONLY thing that gives Trump ANY shot if he is the nominee is that e mail server Sword of Damecles over Clinton's head.
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JohnStOnge wrote:
can't believe you defend Cruz. He's, hands down, the worst choice we have. Of the 5 people still running you have 1 person that is the best choice. 1 person is the only person who is giving is "real talk" and a true "maverick."

If you loved America and truly, sincerely want a a man who shares your values, you must vote for Trump
Now THAT is a troll. But I'll bite at least to the point of saying that if you DON'T want Hillary or Bernie to be President Trump is clearly the worst choice you could make in terms of the person to run against either of them.

It's not only that he runs substantially weaker in polling against either than either Cruz or Kasich (and has since the beginning). It's also the fact that his background is such a target rich environment once you get into the general election against a Party that doesn't care about offending the zombies that are supporting him right now.

The ONLY hope he has is to get the nomination, have Hillary get the Democrat nomination, then have Hillary get indicted too late to allow the Democrats to field a replacement.

If that doesn't happen and he's the nominee the Democrats are going to get the biggest Electoral College landslide of my lifetime. Well...Johnson/Goldwater was in my lifetime and Johnson won that one 486 to 52 so MAYBE not. But it could be. It could be worse than that.

That's not the only reason to be against Trump but even if all you care about is having the Republican candidate win you are nuts if you support Trump to the nominee.
Cruz would get pummeled by Clinton. Trump is the only viable candidate there is.


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JohnStOnge wrote:Just a polling result for those who say Cruz is just the MOST unlikeable candidate:

Real Clear Politics favorable/unfavorable ratings:

Trump
Favorable 29.5 Unfavorable 64.5 Net -35.1

Cruz
Favorable 32.4 Unfavorable 53.6 Net -21.2

It's not like Cruz is popular. But you guys that keep saying Cruz this and Cruz that with respect to how unlikeable he is as though TRUMP is better off in that regard are just totally detached from reality. No politician in the history of modern polling has been as unpopular with the general electorate as Trump is right now. He is an absolute LEMON as a nominee. ONLY thing that gives Trump ANY shot if he is the nominee is that e mail server Sword of Damecles over Clinton's head.
Seriously? Cruz is 2.9% more favorable than Trump. What's the margin of error?

With a 10.9%, with a MoE of maybe 3%, Cruz is like a steamy pile of shit compared to a slightly larger steamy pile of shit.
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Ibanez wrote: Seriously? Cruz is 2.9% more favorable than Trump. What's the margin of error?

With a 10.9%, with a MoE of maybe 3%, Cruz is like a steamy pile of shit compared to a slightly larger steamy pile of shit.

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JohnStOnge wrote:Just a polling result for those who say Cruz is just the MOST unlikeable candidate:

Real Clear Politics favorable/unfavorable ratings:

Trump
Favorable 29.5 Unfavorable 64.5 Net -35.1

Cruz
Favorable 32.4 Unfavorable 53.6 Net -21.2

It's not like Cruz is popular. But you guys that keep saying Cruz this and Cruz that with respect to how unlikeable he is as though TRUMP is better off in that regard are just totally detached from reality. No politician in the history of modern polling has been as unpopular with the general electorate as Trump is right now. He is an absolute LEMON as a nominee. ONLY thing that gives Trump ANY shot if he is the nominee is that e mail server Sword of Damecles over Clinton's head.
Damocles.

You're histrionics aren't really necessary since the donks are about to walk in to a trap if the conks can manage to not fvck it up like everything else they touch.

A brokered convention will have no choice but to send Kasich up as the conk nominee and Sanders is the only donk that can beat him. Everybody on both sides who isn't already voting to vote against Hillary will do so. Kasich isn't hanging around just for the hell of it.
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JohnStOnge wrote:Just a polling result for those who say Cruz is just the MOST unlikeable candidate:

Real Clear Politics favorable/unfavorable ratings:

Trump
Favorable 29.5 Unfavorable 64.5 Net -35.1

Cruz
Favorable 32.4 Unfavorable 53.6 Net -21.2

It's not like Cruz is popular. But you guys that keep saying Cruz this and Cruz that with respect to how unlikeable he is as though TRUMP is better off in that regard are just totally detached from reality. No politician in the history of modern polling has been as unpopular with the general electorate as Trump is right now. He is an absolute LEMON as a nominee. ONLY thing that gives Trump ANY shot if he is the nominee is that e mail server Sword of Damecles over Clinton's head.
Trump might pick him for VP if he can make a decent cup of coffee. :coffee:
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Don't go trying to cancel Chris Christie's VP reservation now. Cameltoe is my nigga.
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