2016 Republican Primary

[Ibanez]

She's a man, baby!!

She has a tilted larynx.

[Ivytalk]

She has a tilted larynx.

[Ibanez]

She has a tilted larynx.

And a micro penis.

[Ivytalk]

And a micro penis.

I'm all out of popcorn.

[BDKJMU]

Rubio's delegates are now unbound and can support whomever they choose. Also, with Rubio suspending his campaign rather than dropping out, he can still come back at the convention should The Donald not get the delegate majority required to win outright. If Rubio were to come back, he has the right to reclaim his delegates.

Based on what I heard on the radio on my drive home from work is that Trump needed both OH and FL to win the nomination. Since he didn't swing that, it means there will be an open convention...i.e. Trump will not be the nominee. However I do not know if that math assumed Rubio sticking it out until the end.

Would be absolute chaos at the convention and political suicide on the part of the Republican party, and not just for 2016. If Trump is close to the 1237 he will be the nominee..

[YoUDeeMan]

This is how Republicans lose elections: Women are called sexist. Why not listen to what feminists have to say? Blacks are called thugs. Why not open a dialogue with Black Lives Matter? Hispanics are called rapists and criminals. Why not listen to their hopes and concerns? Muslims are called terrorists. Why not learn about the history of American-Muslims? The poor are called moochers. Why not try to understand the whole life story first?

The GOP has genuinely good ideas, but this stuff NEEDS to stop.

Cut the crap.

Women can call men sexist, but that can't go the other way?

Blacks can call Whites racist, but that can't go the other way?

Christians are called all sorts of names, but that can't go the other way?

Sorry...this country needs a good ass whuppin' about what real equality means.

And here's a news flash...stop wetting your pants and using hyperbole to try to make a point. Trump didn't call all Hispanics rapists and criminals. Trump didn't call all Muslins terrorists. Trump has wimmin and minorities working with him and supporting him. Are they just stoooopid Uncle Toms?

The fact is, YOU and the LEFT are continuously using those stereotypes...inaccurately, against Trump supporters. Nazis? Racists? You have to be kidding. That qualifies as progressive accuracy that doesn't, as you put it, NEED to stop?



Ironically, YOU are trumpeting those awful stereotypes, because Trump didn't say any of those things. No he di'int.

You are enslaved by the main stream media and groupthink victimization.

As for the rest of your diatribe...feminists have been speaking for years. Hint: feminists have changed their stances against themselves many times...a war on wimmin within the so-called war on wimmin. You should look that up. They've been listened to...but it is sometimes hard to understand what they want when most of them din't give a crap what men want.

Speaking of listening or opening up a dialogue...Black Lives Matter? Are you kidding? ALL lives matter. Prioritizing Black lives is ridiculous. Hate crimes against Whites happen, and promptly get ignored and not prosecuted. White Lives Matter, too...or aren't you listening?

Hispanics? The legal ones are welcome. The illegal ones...not. WTF is hard to understand about that? Follow the immigration rules. Don't like them? CHANGE them. But don't just come in and expect people to say, OK. You don't do that in your home, so why would you expect it to be accepted in a country? You are either for open borders or not. Very simple. Enforce the border. Enforce the laws. Make businesses and people pay if they break the law. That is how a society works. Otherwise, you have a shit hole like the Middle East.

Muslins? I know many. I like a lot of them because I generally like people. But is it interesting how many Muslins espouse religious freedom in America...but then many still harbor ill will towards their old rivals. The story I mentioned about the Iranian who eventually revealed his bias towards one sect, was repeated often with the Iranians I knew in school. Muslins, like every other group of people, have their own prejudices. Stop lumping them as some unified oppressed group when they would willingly oppress their opponents if they had a chance.

The poor? Some are moochers...just like some wealthy tax break gobbling wealthy people. Some work hard. That summarizes all folks.

Why do you continue to preach the party line that Trump voters don't understand these things? Some do, some don't. But you are all up in arms that Trump is a racist, bigoted, sexist...word of the week person.

YOU need to open up your mind. Stop playing victim. The only real thing that is happening is that the entrenched political parties, the ones that play us against each other, are trying DESPERATELY, to have Trump and Sander lose. Huge money is being spent to portray Trump as the anti-Christ, and to dismiss the concerns of his supporters. You want Trump supporters to listen? That is so funny...you've closed your mind and won't listen to the real message.

Keep your mind closed...it makes you a conservative (the very thing you stereotyped).

Now, go out and vote as you are told.

[89Hen]

[93henfan]

This is how Republicans lose elections: Women are called sexist. Why not listen to what feminists have to say? Blacks are called thugs. Why not open a dialogue with Black Lives Matter? Hispanics are called rapists and criminals. Why not listen to their hopes and concerns? Muslims are called terrorists. Why not learn about the history of American-Muslims? The poor are called moochers. Why not try to understand the whole life story first?

The GOP has genuinely good ideas, but this stuff NEEDS to stop.

Cut the crap.

Women can call men sexist, but that can't go the other way?

Blacks can call Whites racist, but that can't go the other way?

Christians are called all sorts of names, but that can't go the other way?

Sorry...this country needs a good ass whuppin' about what real equality means.

And here's a news flash...stop wetting your pants and using hyperbole to try to make a point. Trump didn't call all Hispanics rapists and criminals. Trump didn't call all Muslins terrorists. Trump has wimmin and minorities working with him and supporting him. Are they just stoooopid Uncle Toms?

The fact is, YOU and the LEFT are continuously using those stereotypes...inaccurately, against Trump supporters. Nazis? Racists? You have to be kidding. That qualifies as progressive accuracy that doesn't, as you put it, NEED to stop?



Ironically, YOU are trumpeting those awful stereotypes, because Trump didn't say any of those things. No he di'int.

You are enslaved by the main stream media and groupthink victimization.

As for the rest of your diatribe...feminists have been speaking for years. Hint: feminists have changed their stances against themselves many times...a war on wimmin within the so-called war on wimmin. You should look that up. They've been listened to...but it is sometimes hard to understand what they want when most of them din't give a crap what men want.

Speaking of listening or opening up a dialogue...Black Lives Matter? Are you kidding? ALL lives matter. Prioritizing Black lives is ridiculous. Hate crimes against Whites happen, and promptly get ignored and not prosecuted. White Lives Matter, too...or aren't you listening?

Hispanics? The legal ones are welcome. The illegal ones...not. WTF is hard to understand about that? Follow the immigration rules. Don't like them? CHANGE them. But don't just come in and expect people to say, OK. You don't do that in your home, so why would you expect it to be accepted in a country? You are either for open borders or not. Very simple. Enforce the border. Enforce the laws. Make businesses and people pay if they break the law. That is how a society works. Otherwise, you have a shit hole like the Middle East.

Muslins? I know many. I like a lot of them because I generally like people. But is it interesting how many Muslins espouse religious freedom in America...but then many still harbor ill will towards their old rivals. The story I mentioned about the Iranian who eventually revealed his bias towards one sect, was repeated often with the Iranians I knew in school. Muslins, like every other group of people, have their own prejudices. Stop lumping them as some unified oppressed group when they would willingly oppress their opponents if they had a chance.

The poor? Some are moochers...just like some wealthy tax break gobbling wealthy people. Some work hard. That summarizes all folks.

Why do you continue to preach the party line that Trump voters don't understand these things? Some do, some don't. But you are all up in arms that Trump is a racist, bigoted, sexist...word of the week person.

YOU need to open up your mind. Stop playing victim. The only real thing that is happening is that the entrenched political parties, the ones that play us against each other, are trying DESPERATELY, to have Trump and Sander lose. Huge money is being spent to portray Trump as the anti-Christ, and to dismiss the concerns of his supporters. You want Trump supporters to listen? That is so funny...you've closed your mind and won't listen to the real message.

Keep your mind closed...it makes you a conservative (the very thing you stereotyped).

Now, go out and vote as you are told.

This post is gold. Well said.

Trip is a smart guy, but the media and living in the DC liberal bubble has gotten to him a little.

[YoUDeeMan]

You can't reason with someone that votes Hillary because we "need a woman president". The very same people who say electing a woman will change everything will be the same ones saying later rebuking people that a woman president doesn't mean sexism isn't still lurking behind every rock. The same thing happened with Obama and race.

If feminists bring a legitimate gripe then I'll listen. In other words, something besides the discredited pay gap and the idea that banning abortions beyond 20 weeks is like banning pap smears. I'm not entertaining those notions any more than liberals are entertaining the notions that Obama is a Kenyan Muslin Mujahideen.

Ditto with black lives matter. More black teens are killed by police than white teens? That doesn't prove there's any systematic devaluing of black life by police. Also, surveys about drug use don't prove the war on drugs has a racist bias when there's research showing blacks underreport drug use relative to whites and that there are things like concurrent charges that complicate the analysis.

Identity politics suck and completely derail any serious discussion of real issues in an election cycle. What you're saying is a lot like saying in 2004 "well, if the Democrats would share people's concerns about the queers getting joint checking accounts maybe they'd win the blue-collar Billy Bob vote".

Here's what Jonah Goldberg says in National Review Online:

The truth is that politics is downstream of culture. And all of these politicians, Trump included, reflect deeper tendencies. Identity politics on the left and the right — from the war on so-called white supremacy to the bitterness of the white backlash — amount to what the French philosopher Julien Benda described as the “intellectual organization of political hatreds.” What’s remarkable about the violence Trump encourages isn’t its sudden appearance. It’s that it took this long.

Read more at: http://www.nationalreview.com/article/4 ... whos-blame

Good article...as well as the embedded ones.

[BDKJMU]

Based on what I heard on the radio on my drive home from work is that Trump needed both OH and FL to win the nomination. Since he didn't swing that, it means there will be an open convention...i.e. Trump will not be the nominee. However I do not know if that math assumed Rubio sticking it out until the end.

Would be absolute chaos at the convention and political suicide on the part of the Republican party, and not just for 2016. If Trump is close to the 1237 he will be the nominee..

Oh and another thing there is a conk rule for a contested convention that to be cobsidered a noninee you have to win the majority of delegates in 8 states. Trump is likely the only one to meet that threshold, so even if he doesn't get the 1237 it won't matter.

[YoUDeeMan]

I like InfinityMan. I do. He's been a solid poster.

But lately he's pulled a dback.

That is sad.

Hope he snaps out of it.

[GannonFan]

Would be absolute chaos at the convention and political suicide on the part of the Republican party, and not just for 2016. If Trump is close to the 1237 he will be the nominee..

Oh and another thing there is a conk rule for a contested convention that to be cobsidered a noninee you have to win the majority of delegates in 8 states. Trump is likely the only one to meet that threshold, so even if he doesn't get the 1237 it won't matter.

That's not a hard and fast rule - it was a rule that the nominating convention in 2012 came up with, and it was changed at the time from what was 5 states to 8 states. Each nominating convention makes their own rules, so that rule can be changed, or even discarded, in the run-up to this election.

With that said, I don't see the scenario where Trump gets really close to 1237, and far ahead of anyone else, and they take the nomination away from him. Might as well say you aren't nominating anyone and then let Trump go his own way as opposed to putting someone else forward. When you tell the voters "nah, you got it wrong" and go a different way that's a recipe for disaster.

[∞∞∞]

Oh, I've always been pretty liberal and I don't try to shy away from it. I don't think I've changed, just been more vocal about it during this election. I'm simply disheartened that the GOP has come down to Trump, but if the Republican electorate wants Trump, then that's the will of the people. Same with the general election.

I just think sometimes it's this forum that insulates itself from what's actually happening demographically around the country, perhaps because we aren't part of that demographic. Or maybe because people fear change (including me sometimes) or think that it's ruining the country. Or that other people's opinions shouldn't be taken seriously. I don't know, perhaps I'm painting with a broad brush.

And honestly, I try to see the conservative perspective and again, I think it often brings good ideas (and have voted for the GOP as my Rep for years now). But in general, I disagree with it almost all the time, especially when it comes to social issues. I just don't find Trump's demagoguery amusing; it reminds me a lot of other failed leaders and while I think our system of checks and balances protect us from the worst of the worst (which Trump is not), he's still a man that could lay a scary precedent/foundation.

[89Hen]

just been more vocal about it

A vocal liberal? How novel.

[Grizalltheway]

just been more vocal about it

A vocal liberal? How novel.

How ironic, considering the biggest loud mouth in the history of politics is about to win the Republican nomination.

[Ibanez]

Trump is trolling us all. Well played, Donald.

[CAA Flagship]

A vocal liberal? How novel.

How ironic, considering the biggest loud mouth in the history of politics is about to win the Republican nomination.

Ha. Good one, Smokestack.

[GannonFan]

Oh, I've always been pretty liberal and I don't try to shy away from it. I don't think I've changed, just been more vocal about it during this election. I'm simply disheartened that the GOP has come down to Trump, but if the Republican electorate wants Trump, then that's the will of the people. Same with the general election.

I just think sometimes it's this forum that insulates itself from what's actually happening demographically around the country, perhaps because we aren't part of that demographic. Or maybe because people fear change (including me sometimes) or think that it's ruining the country. Or that other people's opinions shouldn't be taken seriously. I don't know, perhaps I'm painting with a broad brush.

And honestly, I try to see the conservative perspective and again, I think it often brings good ideas (and have voted for the GOP as my Rep for years now). But in general, I disagree with it almost all the time, especially when it comes to social issues. I just don't find Trump's demagoguery amusing; it reminds me a lot of other failed leaders and while I think our system of checks and balances protect us from the worst of the worst (which Trump is not), he's still a man that could lay a scary precedent/foundation.

What precedent is really being set here? Basically, the only thing is that the GOP is having a party outsider sneak in and win the nomination. That's what's different here. Rather than the Dem or the GOP establishment picking the field and then being assured of a nominee who fits the idea of their regular candidate, within reason, we're getting someone that the establishment would never have picked in the first place. The Dems are insulated from this to a point with their super delegates and entrenched minority blocks, so if it was going to happen it was going to happen to the GOP where the establishment doesn't have such an iron grip on ideology like the Dems have.

But the demagogue thing is over played really. I said before that Trump is very much like Berlusconi, at least in terms of the temperament (Berlusconi had a lot of actual political ideas and policies, so they are different there, but both are personally very brash). But other than that, what's the danger with this demagogue? Presidential elections, going back to the very beginning, have always been about the candidates competing against each other and judged largely on their personalities. The issues of course have mattered, no doubt about that, but the personalities have had a lot of sway, and never more so than in the past 50 years. Trump is winning because he's a brash individual in a time where people are fed up with the system the establishment has given us. Perfect candidate for the perfect time. If that's a precedent it's not really one that should be repeated all that often - eventually we'll be less angry, or we'll channel the anger in a different way. Trump is just a man at the end of the day - we've had lesser men assume the office and we survived, I'm sure we will survive a Trump presidency should it transpire.

[CAA Flagship]

Oh, I've always been pretty liberal and I don't try to shy away from it. I don't think I've changed, just been more vocal about it during this election. I'm simply disheartened that the GOP has come down to Trump, but if the Republican electorate wants Trump, then that's the will of the people. Same with the general election.

I just think sometimes it's this forum that insulates itself from what's actually happening demographically around the country, perhaps because we aren't part of that demographic. Or maybe because people fear change (including me sometimes) or think that it's ruining the country. Or that other people's opinions shouldn't be taken seriously. I don't know, perhaps I'm painting with a broad brush.

And honestly, I try to see the conservative perspective and again, I think it often brings good ideas (and have voted for the GOP as my Rep for years now). But in general, I disagree with it almost all the time, especially when it comes to social issues. I just don't find Trump's demagoguery amusing; it reminds me a lot of other failed leaders and while I think our system of checks and balances protect us from the worst of the worst (which Trump is not), he's still a man that could lay a scary precedent/foundation.

What precedent is really being set here? Basically, the only thing is that the GOP is having a party outsider sneak in and win the nomination. That's what's different here. Rather than the Dem or the GOP establishment picking the field and then being assured of a nominee who fits the idea of their regular candidate, within reason, we're getting someone that the establishment would never have picked in the first place. The Dems are insulated from this to a point with their super delegates and entrenched minority blocks, so if it was going to happen it was going to happen to the GOP where the establishment doesn't have such an iron grip on ideology like the Dems have.

But the demagogue thing is over played really. I said before that Trump is very much like Berlusconi, at least in terms of the temperament (Berlusconi had a lot of actual political ideas and policies, so they are different there, but both are personally very brash). But other than that, what's the danger with this demagogue? Presidential elections, going back to the very beginning, have always been about the candidates competing against each other and judged largely on their personalities. The issues of course have mattered, no doubt about that, but the personalities have had a lot of sway, and never more so than in the past 50 years. Trump is winning because he's a brash individual in a time where people are fed up with the system the establishment has given us. Perfect candidate for the perfect time. If that's a precedent it's not really one that should be repeated all that often - eventually we'll be less angry, or we'll channel the anger in a different way. Trump is just a man at the end of the day - we've had lesser men assume the office and we survived, I'm sure we will survive a Trump presidency should it transpire.

Agree with everything but the bolded. People are fed up with the results, not necessarily the system. Yes, the system picked the players, but the players have not performed.

[89Hen]

A vocal liberal? How novel.

How ironic, considering the biggest loud mouth in the history of politics is about to win the Republican nomination.

Dems should love him. He's one of them.

[YoUDeeMan]

Oh, I've always been pretty liberal and I don't try to shy away from it. I don't think I've changed, just been more vocal about it during this election. I'm simply disheartened that the GOP has come down to Trump, but if the Republican electorate wants Trump, then that's the will of the people. Same with the general election.

I just think sometimes it's this forum that insulates itself from what's actually happening demographically around the country, perhaps because we aren't part of that demographic. Or maybe because people fear change (including me sometimes) or think that it's ruining the country. Or that other people's opinions shouldn't be taken seriously. I don't know, perhaps I'm painting with a broad brush.

And honestly, I try to see the conservative perspective and again, I think it often brings good ideas (and have voted for the GOP as my Rep for years now). But in general, I disagree with it almost all the time, especially when it comes to social issues. I just don't find Trump's demagoguery amusing; it reminds me a lot of other failed leaders and while I think our system of checks and balances protect us from the worst of the worst (which Trump is not), he's still a man that could lay a scary precedent/foundation.

Social issues? Trump is causing the Repubs to have heart attacks. He is certainly no hard core Republican on social issues. Planned Parenthood, religion...the list goes on. Cripes, if you'd actually listen to the guy instead of the media, you might be stunned at how he is more left on social issues than most Republicans. Cripes, Hillary isn't that far removed from, "superpredators," but you seem to embrace her blatant racist statement over Trump.

Trump is not against immigration...just illegal immigration. He is not against Muslins...he just wants to temporarily ban importing them (under the guise of refugees) until we can find out who they are. Do you want the issues in Europe to become issues in America? And don't forget...Canada and other, "wonderful, liberal" countries are also banning Muslin refugees. Read about Canada's limits. They are discriminating...but hey, discrimination against healthy men is OK for Liberals, right?

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[Grizalltheway]

How ironic, considering the biggest loud mouth in the history of politics is about to win the Republican nomination.

Dems should love him. He's one of them.

Sorry, you can't disown him any more than Bush Jr, as much as conks tried to.

[89Hen]

Dems should love him. He's one of them.

Sorry, you can't disown him any more than Bush Jr, as much as conks tried to.

Not as the candidate, but certainly as a conservative republican I sure can.

[bandl]

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[kalm]

Sorry, you can't disown him any more than Bush Jr, as much as conks tried to.

Not as the candidate, but certainly as a conservative republican I sure can.

These issues go away when you become post-partisan...like me!