Burn the witch!

[kalm]

I'm curious for an example of "his policies"
Since you know what they are

please share his policies Baldy

Positions on the issues, plans, etc. Is that better?

If you're that curious, use the googlenet.

You mean subsidizing education, investing in infrastructure, and regulating financial institutions like we did under that commie, Ike?

Oh the horror!!!

Or eliminating for-profit insurance middlemen like every other country on the planet?

Oh the humanity!!!

[kalm]

FWIW, I listened to last nights Dem debate this afternoon and Bernie absolutely destroyed Hillary.

[UNI88]

Positions on the issues, plans, etc. Is that better?

If you're that curious, use the googlenet.

You mean subsidizing education, investing in infrastructure, and regulating financial institutions like we did under that commie, Ike?

Oh the horror!!!

Or eliminating for-profit insurance middlemen like every other country on the planet?

Oh the humanity!!!

And where is the money coming from to pay for all of these wonderful things? According to The nonpartisan Committee for a Responsible Federal Budget, we would need to raise the top federal tax rate to 77% to pay for Bernie's policies.

Sanders first amused Americans who know their fiscal math with proposals for free college tuition, expanded Social Security, $1 trillion in infrastructure spending, "Medicare for all" .... The nonpartisan Committee for a Responsible Federal Budget calculates that his economic plans would push the top federal tax rate to about 77 percent. And, "When state and local taxes are included, the top rate rises to an average of about 85 percent (nationwide) ...."

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/opin ... story.html

[Baldy]

Positions on the issues, plans, etc. Is that better?

If you're that curious, use the googlenet.

You mean subsidizing education, investing in infrastructure, and regulating financial institutions like we did under that commie, Ike?

Oh the horror!!!

Or eliminating for-profit insurance middlemen like every other country on the planet?

Oh the humanity!!!

1. Education is already heavily subsidized. Pell Grants for all. Better yet, federally guaranteed student loans for everyone.
2. Who doesn't want to invest in infrastructure? Wasn't that the reason for the "stimulus"?
3. Regulating financial institutions? What the fuck is Dodd-Frank?

Eliminate for profit insurance just like every other country on the planet so we can be just like them.
Let's slash our corporate income tax rate in half (or more) so we can be just like them too. Deal?

The funniest part though is the same low information morons who bitch and whine about the federal government invading everyone's privacy by collecting cell phone records are the same mouth breathing neanderthals who are tripping over their needle dicks to hand over their most precious private information...their medical records to the same federal government.

[kalm]

You mean subsidizing education, investing in infrastructure, and regulating financial institutions like we did under that commie, Ike?

Oh the horror!!!

Or eliminating for-profit insurance middlemen like every other country on the planet?

Oh the humanity!!!

And where is the money coming from to pay for all of these wonderful things? According to The nonpartisan Committee for a Responsible Federal Budget, we would need to raise the top federal tax rate to 77% to pay for Bernie's policies.

Sanders first amused Americans who know their fiscal math with proposals for free college tuition, expanded Social Security, $1 trillion in infrastructure spending, "Medicare for all" .... The nonpartisan Committee for a Responsible Federal Budget calculates that his economic plans would push the top federal tax rate to about 77 percent. And, "When state and local taxes are included, the top rate rises to an average of about 85 percent (nationwide) ...."

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/opin ... story.html

http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php/Co ... ral_Budget




Have they calculated the economic impact of consumers having more money in their pocket or of how the human infrastructure investment increases productivity for decades to come? Or is it strictly an immediate expense view?

[kalm]

You mean subsidizing education, investing in infrastructure, and regulating financial institutions like we did under that commie, Ike?

Oh the horror!!!

Or eliminating for-profit insurance middlemen like every other country on the planet?

Oh the humanity!!!

1. Education is already heavily subsidized. Pell Grants for all. Better yet, federally guaranteed student loans for everyone.
2. Who doesn't want to invest in infrastructure? Wasn't that the reason for the "stimulus"?
3. Regulating financial institutions? What the fuck is Dodd-Frank?

Eliminate for profit insurance just like every other country on the planet so we can be just like them.
Let's slash our corporate income tax rate in half (or more) so we can be just like them too. Deal?

The funniest part though is the same low information morons who bitch and whine about the federal government invading everyone's privacy by collecting cell phone records are the same mouth breathing neanderthals who are tripping over their needle dicks to hand over their most precious private information...their medical records to the same federal government.

1. So we didn't benefit from the GI bill?

2. Is infrastructure simply an expense, or is there an ROI?

3. What has Dodd-Frank done to increase competition, protect consumers, and break up monopolies?

How does our effective rate compare? So let's slash it regardless. 40 years ago it represented 30% of tax revenues. Now it's around 10. Figure out a way to cut spending or or tax someone other than corporations, and I'm all ears. First, please tell me what portion of the commons corporations should be responsible for?

Touche on healthcare privacy. Do I get to consent to it, can they seek permission after the fact?

Anything else?

[Baldy]

1. Education is already heavily subsidized. Pell Grants for all. Better yet, federally guaranteed student loans for everyone.
2. Who doesn't want to invest in infrastructure? Wasn't that the reason for the "stimulus"?
3. Regulating financial institutions? What the fuck is Dodd-Frank?

Eliminate for profit insurance just like every other country on the planet so we can be just like them.
Let's slash our corporate income tax rate in half (or more) so we can be just like them too. Deal?

The funniest part though is the same low information morons who bitch and whine about the federal government invading everyone's privacy by collecting cell phone records are the same mouth breathing neanderthals who are tripping over their needle dicks to hand over their most precious private information...their medical records to the same federal government.

1. So we didn't benefit from the GI bill?

2. Is infrastructure simply an expense, or is there an ROI?

3. What has Dodd-Frank done to increase competition, protect consumers, and break up monopolies?

How does our effective rate compare? So let's slash it regardless. 40 years ago it represented 30% of tax revenues. Now it's around 10. Figure out a way to cut spending or or tax someone other than corporations, and I'm all ears. First, please tell me what portion of the commons corporations should be responsible for?

Touche on healthcare privacy. Do I get to consent to it, can they seek permission after the fact?

Anything else?

1. What does a benefit for serving in the military have to do with free college for all? You do know that the GI Bill is monetary assistance and doesn't pay for everything? You're are also aware that the GI Bill has caps and is time limited, aren't you?

2. Again, who's against infrastructure?

3. That's my point. Dodd-Frank is a disaster, and the Donks seem to love it.

The question you should be asking is...How much does it cost to get to the effective rate compared to the "rest of the world"? Truth of the matter is there should be no taxes on income for individuals or corporations, period.

Do you get to consent?
You've already consented to let the government provide your health care. You're at their mercy.
What are you going to do? Take your business elsewhere?

[kalm]

1. So we didn't benefit from the GI bill?

2. Is infrastructure simply an expense, or is there an ROI?

3. What has Dodd-Frank done to increase competition, protect consumers, and break up monopolies?

How does our effective rate compare? So let's slash it regardless. 40 years ago it represented 30% of tax revenues. Now it's around 10. Figure out a way to cut spending or or tax someone other than corporations, and I'm all ears. First, please tell me what portion of the commons corporations should be responsible for?

Touche on healthcare privacy. Do I get to consent to it, can they seek permission after the fact?

Anything else?

1. What does a benefit for serving in the military have to do with free college for all? You do know that the GI Bill is monetary assistance and doesn't pay for everything? You're are also aware that the GI Bill has caps and is time limited, aren't you?

2. Again, who's against infrastructure?

3. That's my point. Dodd-Frank is a disaster, and the Donks seem to love it.

The question you should be asking is...How much does it cost to get to the effective rate compared to the "rest of the world"? Truth of the matter is there should be no taxes on income for individuals or corporations, period.

Do you get to consent?
You've already consented to let the government provide your health care. You're at their mercy.
What are you going to do? Take your business elsewhere?

1) My point is that government subsidizing education has produced some terrific outcomes. The original GI bill educated and/or retrained millions and more than paid for itself.

2) Great!

3) Who gives a fuck whether establishment donks love it?

I would love no taxes...and a clean environment, safe food, water, and drug supply, freshly paved roads, public education system...

For-profit private businesses would provide the healthcare, silly. Government would just handle the insurance.

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1. What does a benefit for serving in the military have to do with free college for all? You do know that the GI Bill is monetary assistance and doesn't pay for everything? You're are also aware that the GI Bill has caps and is time limited, aren't you?

2. Again, who's against infrastructure?

3. That's my point. Dodd-Frank is a disaster, and the Donks seem to love it.

The question you should be asking is...How much does it cost to get to the effective rate compared to the "rest of the world"? Truth of the matter is there should be no taxes on income for individuals or corporations, period.

Do you get to consent?
You've already consented to let the government provide your health care. You're at their mercy.
What are you going to do? Take your business elsewhere?

1) My point is that government subsidizing education has produced some terrific outcomes. The original GI bill educated and/or retrained millions and more than paid for itself.

2) Great!

3) Who gives a fuck whether establishment donks love it?

I would love no taxes...and a clean environment, safe food, water, and drug supply, freshly paved roads, public education system...

For-profit private businesses would provide the healthcare, silly. Government would just handle the insurance.

How so?

[Ibanez]

1) My point is that government subsidizing education has produced some terrific outcomes. The original GI bill educated and/or retrained millions and more than paid for itself.

2) Great!

3) Who gives a fuck whether establishment donks love it?

I would love no taxes...and a clean environment, safe food, water, and drug supply, freshly paved roads, public education system...

For-profit private businesses would provide the healthcare, silly. Government would just handle the insurance.

How so?

Plenty of GIs have returned home, received an education from the GI Bill and have become useful, productive citizens.

[CAA Flagship]

How so?

Plenty of GIs have returned home, received an education from the GI Bill and have become useful, productive citizens.

Sounds like opinion to me. Got any factual data to back up the fact that it has "more than paid for itself"?

[Ibanez]

Plenty of GIs have returned home, received an education from the GI Bill and have become useful, productive citizens.

Sounds like opinion to me. Got any factual data to back up the fact that it has "more than paid for itself"?

For an unemployed conservative, you sure are lazy.

The authors make it clear that the education benefits of the legislation helped spur postwar economic growth by training legions of professionals. The GI Bill, they write, “made possible the education of fourteen future Nobel laureates, two dozen Pulitzer Prize winners, three Supreme Court justices, [and] three presidents of the United States.’’ It also greatly increased access to higher education for ethnic and religious minorities who had been previously excluded. Yet discrimination would continue despite the GI Bill.

Loans made possible by the Veterans Administration, another benefit of the GI Bill, helped give momentum to an already-booming housing market. By 1956, the rate of homeownership was 60 percent, up from a prewar level of 44 percent. Again, the authors temper the good news with bad news: Discrimination in housing persisted. “lack veterans came up against individual racism, as when a white banker or VA loan officer refused to offer or approve of a loan to black applicants simply because of their race.’’

http://www.boston.com/ae/books/articles ... ls_impact/

[Ibanez]

Sounds like opinion to me. Got any factual data to back up the fact that it has "more than paid for itself"?

For an unemployed conservative, you sure are lazy.

The authors make it clear that the education benefits of the legislation helped spur postwar economic growth by training legions of professionals. The GI Bill, they write, “made possible the education of fourteen future Nobel laureates, two dozen Pulitzer Prize winners, three Supreme Court justices, [and] three presidents of the United States.’’ It also greatly increased access to higher education for ethnic and religious minorities who had been previously excluded. Yet discrimination would continue despite the GI Bill.

Loans made possible by the Veterans Administration, another benefit of the GI Bill, helped give momentum to an already-booming housing market. By 1956, the rate of homeownership was 60 percent, up from a prewar level of 44 percent. Again, the authors temper the good news with bad news: Discrimination in housing persisted. “lack veterans came up against individual racism, as when a white banker or VA loan officer refused to offer or approve of a loan to black applicants simply because of their race.’’

http://www.boston.com/ae/books/articles ... ls_impact/

Historian Milton Greenberg estimates that the original GI Bill enriched the United States by producing 450,000 engineers, 240,000 accountants, 238,000 teachers, 91,000 scientists, 67,000 doctors and 22,000 dentists. This feat led these men and women to earn the moniker of the “Greatest Generation.” Their legacy returned $7 to the American economy for every $1 invested in the GI Bill, a serious return on investment.

http://vets.syr.edu/the-gi-bills-impact ... nd-future/

[kalm]

For an unemployed conservative, you sure are lazy.



http://www.boston.com/ae/books/articles ... ls_impact/

Historian Milton Greenberg estimates that the original GI Bill enriched the United States by producing 450,000 engineers, 240,000 accountants, 238,000 teachers, 91,000 scientists, 67,000 doctors and 22,000 dentists. This feat led these men and women to earn the moniker of the “Greatest Generation.” Their legacy returned $7 to the American economy for every $1 invested in the GI Bill, a serious return on investment.

http://vets.syr.edu/the-gi-bills-impact ... nd-future/

IYFF Flaggy!

Conks only see the cost and never the ROI or in the case of socialized medicine, the savings of social programs.

It takes a buck to make a buck...cheapskates...

[Ibanez]

http://vets.syr.edu/the-gi-bills-impact ... nd-future/

IYFF Flaggy!

Conks only see the cost and never the ROI or in the case of socialized medicine, the savings of social programs.

It takes a buck to make a buck...cheapskates...

Where's the ROI in socialized medicine? You know, Taiwan has a pretty good system but it will never work here.

[kalm]

IYFF Flaggy!

Conks only see the cost and never the ROI or in the case of socialized medicine, the savings of social programs.

It takes a buck to make a buck...cheapskates...

Where's the ROI in socialized medicine? You know, Taiwan has a pretty good system but it will never work here.

Increased productivity in the workforce and the cost savings over for-profit insurance increases consumer spending and frees up cash for more constructive spending.

[Ibanez]

Where's the ROI in socialized medicine? You know, Taiwan has a pretty good system but it will never work here.

Increased productivity in the workforce and the cost savings over for-profit insurance increases consumer spending and frees up cash for more constructive spending.

In theory. You forgot to say, "in theory."

[CAA Flagship]

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[CAA Flagship]

http://vets.syr.edu/the-gi-bills-impact ... nd-future/

IYFF Flaggy!

Conks only see the cost and never the ROI or in the case of socialized medicine, the savings of social programs.

It takes a buck to make a buck...cheapskates...

I'm not arguing one way or the other. I just asked an honest question. I remember reading an article about this a few years ago. Here's a HuffPo response to that article:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/tom-taran ... 13475.html

This all underscores an ongoing problem with the GI Bill and education in general. Although we invest over $140 billion each year in higher education, we don't have a good way to measure the outcomes of our investment. While I'm sure that a robust investment in education is the right thing to do, I can't really prove it.

All I'm saying is that I'm not sure if anyone really knows if it "more than paid for itself" as you haphazardly proclaimed.

[Ibanez]

For an unemployed conservative, you sure are lazy.



http://www.boston.com/ae/books/articles ... ls_impact/

Jerome Kohlberg, who enrolled in the Navy when he was 17, knew the value of the GI Bill: "I got three different degrees on it.

"I certainly had a lot of friends who never have gone to college and for whom the GI Bill was the difference in life and death, really."

Now 82, Kohlberg is a billionaire businessman, and he's giving away millions to help today's veterans pursue their educations - a way of paying back the investment the country once made in him.

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/how-the-gi- ... d-america/

[SDHornet]

Except Bernie is polling better in head to heads against Republican candidates than Hillary.

Only because the mainstream knows him only by name. Once they get a load of the cost of his policies, his numbers will sink faster and further than Rubio and Bush's combined.

FIFA

[CAA Flagship]

Jerome Kohlberg, who enrolled in the Navy when he was 17, knew the value of the GI Bill: "I got three different degrees on it.

"I certainly had a lot of friends who never have gone to college and for whom the GI Bill was the difference in life and death, really."

Now 82, Kohlberg is a billionaire businessman, and he's giving away millions to help today's veterans pursue their educations - a way of paying back the investment the country once made in him.

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/how-the-gi- ... d-america/

[Ibanez]

IYFF Flaggy!

Conks only see the cost and never the ROI or in the case of socialized medicine, the savings of social programs.

It takes a buck to make a buck...cheapskates...

I'm not arguing one way or the other. I just asked an honest question. I remember reading an article about this a few years ago. Here's a HuffPo response to that article:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/tom-taran ... 13475.html

This all underscores an ongoing problem with the GI Bill and education in general. Although we invest over $140 billion each year in higher education, we don't have a good way to measure the outcomes of our investment. While I'm sure that a robust investment in education is the right thing to do, I can't really prove it.

All I'm saying is that I'm not sure if anyone really knows if it "more than paid for itself" as you haphazardly proclaimed.

I would say that the GI Bills impact has been felt far and wide. Millions of men and women became first time college graduates. Many entered public service and have done great things. Many have became huge successes in business which fueled economic growth. Men who sent us to the moon, created the Internet, housing booms and more.

[CAA Flagship]

I'm not arguing one way or the other. I just asked an honest question. I remember reading an article about this a few years ago. Here's a HuffPo response to that article:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/tom-taran ... 13475.html



All I'm saying is that I'm not sure if anyone really knows if it "more than paid for itself" as you haphazardly proclaimed.

I would say that the GI Bills impact has been felt far and wide. Millions of men and women became first time college graduates. Many entered public service and have done great things. Many have became huge successes in business which fueled economic growth. Men who sent us to the moon, created the Internet, housing booms and more.

I'm not disputing that. I agree.
And I will say that the GI Bill may be a necessary recruitment tool. Much like a college building a new fitness center or adding a football team.
But I don't think an accurate ROI has ever been conducted for the taxpayer. Even the HuffPuss author stated so.

kalm may have taken some liberties with his original statement.

[Ibanez]

I would say that the GI Bills impact has been felt far and wide. Millions of men and women became first time college graduates. Many entered public service and have done great things. Many have became huge successes in business which fueled economic growth. Men who sent us to the moon, created the Internet, housing booms and more.

I'm not disputing that. I agree.
And I will say that the GI Bill may be a necessary recruitment tool. Much like a college building a new fitness center or adding a football team.
But I don't think an accurate ROI has ever been conducted for the taxpayer. Even the HuffPuss author stated so.

kalm may have taken some liberties with his original statement.

I'm not sure it's possible to accurately calculate the ROI. There are too many intangibles.