The Ivytalk / Chizzang: Trump Takes the Gold thread

[Skjellyfetti]

The RNC can't prevent it.

The DNC can - that's what their superdelegate system was designed for.

prevent a fringe candidate like Bernie Sanders from getting elected. You can obfuscate about it all you want, but the bottom line is that at least in this one aspect, the DNC is less democratic than the RNC.

Seems that most delegates won at Republican primaries and caucuses are only bound to their candidate in the first round of voting at the convention. After that they can switch.

Kasich and Rubio are putting together strategies to beat Trump at a brokered convention.

Two of Mr. Trump’s opponents have openly acknowledged that they may have to wrest the Republican nomination from him in a deadlocked convention.

Speaking to political donors in Manhattan on Wednesday evening, Mr. Rubio’s campaign manager, Terry Sullivan, noted that most delegates are bound to a candidate only on the first ballot. Many of them, moreover, are likely to be party regulars who may not support Mr. Trump over multiple rounds of balloting, he added, according to a person present for Mr. Sullivan’s presentation, which was first reported by CNN.

Advisers to Mr. Kasich, the Ohio governor, have told potential supporters that his strategy boils down to a convention battle. Judd Gregg, a former New Hampshire senator who had endorsed Jeb Bush, said Mr. Kasich’s emissaries had sketched an outcome in which Mr. Kasich “probably ends up with the second-highest delegate count going into the convention” and digs in there to compete with Mr. Trump.

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/02/28/us/po ... party.html

[Ivytalk]

The RNC can't prevent it.

The DNC can - that's what their superdelegate system was designed for.

prevent a fringe candidate like Bernie Sanders from getting elected. You can obfuscate about it all you want, but the bottom line is that at least in this one aspect, the DNC is less democratic than the RNC.

Seems that most delegates won at Republican primaries and caucuses are only bound to their candidate in the first round of voting at the convention. After that they can switch.

Kasich and Rubio are putting together strategies to beat Trump at a brokered convention.

Two of Mr. Trump’s opponents have openly acknowledged that they may have to wrest the Republican nomination from him in a deadlocked convention.

Speaking to political donors in Manhattan on Wednesday evening, Mr. Rubio’s campaign manager, Terry Sullivan, noted that most delegates are bound to a candidate only on the first ballot. Many of them, moreover, are likely to be party regulars who may not support Mr. Trump over multiple rounds of balloting, he added, according to a person present for Mr. Sullivan’s presentation, which was first reported by CNN.

Advisers to Mr. Kasich, the Ohio governor, have told potential supporters that his strategy boils down to a convention battle. Judd Gregg, a former New Hampshire senator who had endorsed Jeb Bush, said Mr. Kasich’s emissaries had sketched an outcome in which Mr. Kasich “probably ends up with the second-highest delegate count going into the convention” and digs in there to compete with Mr. Trump.

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/02/28/us/po ... party.html

Well, you can wish in one hand...

I'm not conceding until the convention certifies Donald J. Drumpf (sic) as the GOP nominee. https://youtu.be/DnpO_RTSNmQ
My cold, dead hands!!

[YoUDeeMan]

Who is Ann Coulter?

And what are your answers to the questions above?

Don't be disingenuous: you know exactly who Coulter is. You've swallowed her Kool-Aid that illegal immigration is the most pressing issue facing this country. It isn't: a stagnant economy is.

Uh, no. I didn't know who she was...and after Googling her, I still don't know, or care, what she thinks, and I do not know what kind of influence she has on anyone's thinking. Frankly, why would anyone would pay attention to her? Was she elected to office at some time (I didn't bother to read the wiki article)? If not, then why would I care about her opinion on anything?

You know, I just tried to watch the news for the first time in a while to see how the Super Duper Tuesday was going, and my TV reminded me that I do not get FOX, MSNBC, Al Jitz, or something called America One.

It appears that I only get CNN and CNBC. After 45 minutes of swapping back and forth between those two stations, it is glaringly obvious that they are meant for entertainment. Their coverage pf Super Tuesday consisted of attacking Trump. NOTHING was mentioned about Clinton/Sanders except a small blurb about her standing up to the pharmaceuticals.

I gave up watching...that was truly a weird experience. And if the average 'Merican is watching those two shows, or anything similar on either side of the spectrum, and forming their opinion based upon those shows, then it explains a lot about where we stand as a nation.

So no, I don't know Ann Coulter...and I don't give a crap about her. And, immigration is not my top priority...not sure where in God's name, or Ann Coulter's name, you got that from.

I do, however, have questions about why limiting illegal immigration is a topic that blows people's minds. I asked honest questions...and instead of thoughtful answers, I got knee jerk, emotionally based responses. It appears that you, not I, have been conditioned by some public figure(s). That is a shame...I would have preferred a reasoned response.

[YoUDeeMan]

I've been pretty clear on my stance on illegal immigration over the years on this board. So I'll chalk questions 1 thru 9 as being stupid questions.

Actually question 10 is stupid as well. That answer is yes, mainly because the political system (on both sides) is set up to pander to us WRT the illegal immigration issue. Again, notice how nothing is done to fix immigration by either side regardless of who controls Congress. Immigration is only important once every 4 years to muster up excitement within the Brown vote.

With that in mind, maybe you can understand why I am not the least bit worried about a wall getting built. Hell an easier solution to the illegal immigration issue is to just fine and jail employers that hire them...but conks and donks would never push towards such a simple and common sense solution because...wait for it..both conks and donk need the issue of illegal immigration to be a relevant issue among the Brown voting base.

Sorry, SDHornet...I don't follow Ann Coulter and I don't follow your stance on immigration. So questions 1-9 still stand.

And question 10 was obvious, but thanks for answering honestly...sort of. Everyone is a conservative when it comes to their own interests.

I do agree with you that we should fine employers...BIG TIME...to stem some of the tide. But houndawg is incorrect that a move like that would eliminate illegal immigration. People will come her regardless of jobs. Healthcare will remain an issue...and the baby anchor issue. The underground economy will still attract many.

And I do agree with the pandering issue...but Team Brown has no one to blame but themselves. Ditto Team Black. They flock to the person that makes promises instead of flocking to someone who will make real change. And, of course, we can't forget that being a part of Team White is simply selfish and racist.

Help break the system. Vote Trump and Bernie. Fvck the existing system that divides and conquers.

[Ivytalk]

I've been pretty clear on my stance on illegal immigration over the years on this board. So I'll chalk questions 1 thru 9 as being stupid questions.

Actually question 10 is stupid as well. That answer is yes, mainly because the political system (on both sides) is set up to pander to us WRT the illegal immigration issue. Again, notice how nothing is done to fix immigration by either side regardless of who controls Congress. Immigration is only important once every 4 years to muster up excitement within the Brown vote.

With that in mind, maybe you can understand why I am not the least bit worried about a wall getting built. Hell an easier solution to the illegal immigration issue is to just fine and jail employers that hire them...but conks and donks would never push towards such a simple and common sense solution because...wait for it..both conks and donk need the issue of illegal immigration to be a relevant issue among the Brown voting base.

Sorry, SDHornet...I don't follow Ann Coulter and I don't follow your stance on immigration. So questions 1-9 still stand.

And question 10 was obvious, but thanks for answering honestly...sort of. Everyone is a conservative when it comes to their own interests.

I do agree with you that we should fine employers...BIG TIME...to stem some of the tide. But houndawg is incorrect that a move like that would eliminate illegal immigration. People will come her regardless of jobs. Healthcare will remain an issue...and the baby anchor issue. The underground economy will still attract many.

And I do agree with the pandering issue...but Team Brown has no one to blame but themselves. Ditto Team Black. They flock to the person that makes promises instead of flocking to someone who will make real change. And, of course, we can't forget that being a part of Team White is simply selfish and racist.

Help break the system. Vote Trump and Bernie. Fvck the existing system that divides and conquers.

And electing Trump or Bernie will end the "divide and conquer" bit, huh? Explain that. Please do. I'm all ears. How will either of those guys unify this country? Or are you just another "up the Establishment" blogger who doesn't go on to Point B? I hope Trump wins, and makes you Secretary of State.

[SDHornet]

I've been pretty clear on my stance on illegal immigration over the years on this board. So I'll chalk questions 1 thru 9 as being stupid questions.

Actually question 10 is stupid as well. That answer is yes, mainly because the political system (on both sides) is set up to pander to us WRT the illegal immigration issue. Again, notice how nothing is done to fix immigration by either side regardless of who controls Congress. Immigration is only important once every 4 years to muster up excitement within the Brown vote.

With that in mind, maybe you can understand why I am not the least bit worried about a wall getting built. Hell an easier solution to the illegal immigration issue is to just fine and jail employers that hire them...but conks and donks would never push towards such a simple and common sense solution because...wait for it..both conks and donk need the issue of illegal immigration to be a relevant issue among the Brown voting base.

Sorry, SDHornet...I don't follow Ann Coulter and I don't follow your stance on immigration. So questions 1-9 still stand.

And question 10 was obvious, but thanks for answering honestly...sort of. Everyone is a conservative when it comes to their own interests.

I do agree with you that we should fine employers...BIG TIME...to stem some of the tide. But houndawg is incorrect that a move like that would eliminate illegal immigration. People will come her regardless of jobs. Healthcare will remain an issue...and the baby anchor issue. The underground economy will still attract many.

And I do agree with the pandering issue...but Team Brown has no one to blame but themselves. Ditto Team Black. They flock to the person that makes promises instead of flocking to someone who will make real change. And, of course, we can't forget that being a part of Team White is simply selfish and racist.

Help break the system. Vote Trump and Bernie. Fvck the existing system that divides and conquers.

I don’t know a whole lot about Coulter but have seen her on a few interviews. She is vehemently anti-immigrant and blames most (all?) of America’s problems on illegal immigration. She brings nothing to the table other than entertaining sound bites to those she panders to (sound familiar?).

Yup. Your questions are mostly hyperbole and the answers do nothing to bring about a solution to the illegal immigration issue. My stance has always been that a common sense, multi-pronged approach to illegal immigration is needed, but will never happen because the status quo benefits the power brokers on either side of the aisle. Trump won’t change this, those thinking he will remind of those people who bought into Obama’s bullshit in 2008.

I agree that some illegal immigrants will still come because even with all our problems, America is still the best place on earth. However lets not pretend that the lion share of the illegals that come across the border aren’t coming here to better their economic situation. There are multiple ways to address this issue, one of which is the demand side of illegal labor. Making it so painful to hire illegal labor that it doesn’t outweigh the risks and overnight a significant portion of this issue is taken care of. This will never happen from an economic standpoint because significant industries rely on cheap/illegal labor (agribusiness, construction, certain service industries); it’s the status quo that in some cases will never change because it can’t (agribusiness).

See my “status quo” comment about Team Brown and how we vote wrt this issue. We have been let down by both sides as neither side has delivered on their “promises” to address this issue. Trump could have really capitalized on this issue, but he is taking the “Ann Coulter” philosophy to rally the conk base. Of course now Trump parlayed that stance with his David Duke gaff and his supporters are going to have fun explaining away how Trump isn't a racist.

[kalm]

Sorry, SDHornet...I don't follow Ann Coulter and I don't follow your stance on immigration. So questions 1-9 still stand.

And question 10 was obvious, but thanks for answering honestly...sort of. Everyone is a conservative when it comes to their own interests.

I do agree with you that we should fine employers...BIG TIME...to stem some of the tide. But houndawg is incorrect that a move like that would eliminate illegal immigration. People will come her regardless of jobs. Healthcare will remain an issue...and the baby anchor issue. The underground economy will still attract many.

And I do agree with the pandering issue...but Team Brown has no one to blame but themselves. Ditto Team Black. They flock to the person that makes promises instead of flocking to someone who will make real change. And, of course, we can't forget that being a part of Team White is simply selfish and racist.

Help break the system. Vote Trump and Bernie. Fvck the existing system that divides and conquers.

And electing Trump or Bernie will end the "divide and conquer" bit, huh? Explain that. Please do. I'm all ears. How will either of those guys unify this country? Or are you just another "up the Establishment" blogger who doesn't go on to Point B? I hope Trump wins, and makes you Secretary of State.

For starters, it lessons the power of the duopoly.

(You had to see that coming )

[Ivytalk]

And electing Trump or Bernie will end the "divide and conquer" bit, huh? Explain that. Please do. I'm all ears. How will either of those guys unify this country? Or are you just another "up the Establishment" blogger who doesn't go on to Point B? I hope Trump wins, and makes you Secretary of State.

For starters, it lessons the power of the duopoly.

(You had to see that coming )

From duopoly to anarchy. Do not pass go, do not reach tricentennial. Wonderful.

[BDKJMU]

I don’t know a whole lot about Coulter but have seen her on a few interviews. She is vehemently anti-immigrant and blames most (all?) of America’s problems on illegal immigration. She brings nothing to the table other than entertaining sound bites to those she panders to (sound familiar?).

Yup. Your questions are mostly hyperbole and the answers do nothing to bring about a solution to the illegal immigration issue. My stance has always been that a common sense, multi-pronged approach to illegal immigration is needed, but will never happen because the status quo benefits the power brokers on either side of the aisle. Trump won’t change this, those thinking he will remind of those people who bought into Obama’s bullshit in 2008.

I agree that some illegal immigrants will still come because even with all our problems, America is still the best place on earth. However lets not pretend that the lion share of the illegals that come across the border aren’t coming here to better their economic situation. There are multiple ways to address this issue, one of which is the demand side of illegal labor. Making it so painful to hire illegal labor that it doesn’t outweigh the risks and overnight a significant portion of this issue is taken care of. This will never happen from an economic standpoint because significant industries rely on cheap/illegal labor (agribusiness, construction, certain service industries); it’s the status quo that in some cases will never change because it can’t (agribusiness).

See my “status quo” comment about Team Brown and how we vote wrt this issue. We have been let down by both sides as neither side has delivered on their “promises” to address this issue. Trump could have really capitalized on this issue, but he is taking the “Ann Coulter” philosophy to rally the conk base. Of course now Trump parlayed that stance with his David Duke gaff and his supporters are going to have fun explaining away how Trump isn't a racist.

No she isn't is vehemently "anti immigrant". She is vehenently "anti ILLEGAL immigrant" Big difference.

[CAA Flagship]

No she isn't is vehemently "anti immigrant". She is vehenently "anti ILLEGAL immigrant" Big difference.

I am not unconfused.

[BDKJMU]

I didn't watch it, but it's sad that American politics are less about what you as a candidate stand for and more about how bad the other guy's dirty laundry happens to be. I don't love Rubio, but I do applaud his idealism with trying to stay mostly positive and on message with his campaign vs. what Trump and Cruz have done. Rubio seems like a good guy and may be our president some day, but he's going to have to learn how to mud wrestle in order to do so.

Stop it, Rubio is a good looking guy, but he doesn't seem to have any real knowledge in that head of his and he just comes off as being young and inexperienced to the point that you'd be scared if he's in a room of adults and whether they would let him speak or not. A cardboard cutout of Rubio would be just as effective.

Now, if you want to talk someone who actually would make a good President who was on the stage last night it would be Kasich - he speaks well, he has a pretty good policy plate, and he looks like a grown up. He could be an interesting VP pick if Trump thinks he needs to win Ohio and can't do it on his own. But that would be two white guys on the ticket so that might be a non-starter.

Plus Kasich is an establishment politician. He spent 4 years in the OH state senate, followed by 18 years in DC in the House, followed by only 8 yrs in the private sector, then the last 5 years as Gov of OH. 27 year in elected office = PROFESSIONAL POLITICIAN. 18 in DC = DC establishment professional politician.

There's dozens if not hundreds of articles out thefre trying to explain the Trump phenomenon. I can do it in 3 words. PEOPLE HATE POLITICIANS, esp the DC establishment professional ones.

[YoUDeeMan]

And electing Trump or Bernie will end the "divide and conquer" bit, huh? Explain that. Please do. I'm all ears. How will either of those guys unify this country? Or are you just another "up the Establishment" blogger who doesn't go on to Point B? I hope Trump wins, and makes you Secretary of State.

Ivy...I choose to try something different to try to get different results. You choose to keep doing the same shlt. Hmmmmm...do I need to explain further?

But, let's try this...from the top...once again.

Bernie is loonie. If he edges out Hillary, he can take all of the lefties and run for President. The middle Democrats, if they actually get the wake up call...can then reject business as usual.

Trump may be a clown, but he will crack the Republican party. Hard core conservatives are still, today, talking about trying to stop Trump in the convention if he wins the primaries. Let them. Fvck them. Take the right wing religious whack jobs and the uber elite and let them start their own party.

What does that leave? A bunch of middle ground Dems and Repubs that might finally recognize some common ground.

I'm tired of hearing the sound bites about Trump not being quick enough to denounce some KKK idiot...so he is a racist, or he is courting the racist vote. Nonsense. Trump is on record, several times, as saying David Duke is a racist nut job...but don't let facts get in the way. And where are the questions of Hillary? Who do you think the Black Panther Party is voting for? Has Hillary denounced Black violent folks? Has she denounced the Nation of Islam? Has she denounced Wall Street...as in, not doing any more speeches for $250,000? If not, where are the questions?

Most of America is middle ground...but no one is listening to us. Break up the existing power structure and start over. Most Repubs and Dems have more in common than the parties want people to know. Leave the extremists to themselves.

[SDHornet]

I'm tired of hearing the sound bites about Trump not being quick enough to denounce some KKK idiot...so he is a racist, or he is courting the racist vote. Nonsense. Trump is on record, several times, as saying David Duke is a racist nut job...but don't let facts get in the way. And where are the questions of Hillary? Who do you think the Black Panther Party is voting for? Has Hillary denounced Black violent folks? Has she denounced the Nation of Islam? Has she denounced Wall Street...as in, not doing any more speeches for $250,000? If not, where are the questions?

Most of America is middle ground...but no one is listening to us. Break up the existing power structure and start over. Most Repubs and Dems have more in common than the parties want people to know. Leave the extremists to themselves.

Get use to it 'cause hilldog is going to run that on a loop nonstop until November.

[DSUrocks07]

And electing Trump or Bernie will end the "divide and conquer" bit, huh? Explain that. Please do. I'm all ears. How will either of those guys unify this country? Or are you just another "up the Establishment" blogger who doesn't go on to Point B? I hope Trump wins, and makes you Secretary of State.

Ivy...I choose to try something different to try to get different results. You choose to keep doing the same shlt. Hmmmmm...do I need to explain further?

But, let's try this...from the top...once again.

Bernie is loonie. If he edges out Hillary, he can take all of the lefties and run for President. The middle Democrats, if they actually get the wake up call...can then reject business as usual.

Trump may be a clown, but he will crack the Republican party. Hard core conservatives are still, today, talking about trying to stop Trump in the convention if he wins the primaries. Let them. Fvck them. Take the right wing religious whack jobs and the uber elite and let them start their own party.

What does that leave? A bunch of middle ground Dems and Repubs that might finally recognize some common ground.

I'm tired of hearing the sound bites about Trump not being quick enough to denounce some KKK idiot...so he is a racist, or he is courting the racist vote. Nonsense. Trump is on record, several times, as saying David Duke is a racist nut job...but don't let facts get in the way. And where are the questions of Hillary? Who do you think the Black Panther Party is voting for? Has Hillary denounced Black violent folks? Has she denounced the Nation of Islam? Has she denounced Wall Street...as in, not doing any more speeches for $250,000? If not, where are the questions?

Most of America is middle ground...but no one is listening to us. Break up the existing power structure and start over. Most Repubs and Dems have more in common than the parties want people to know. Leave the extremists to themselves.

A legitimate third party, with numbers, national support and clout?

I like it.

[YoUDeeMan]

I'm tired of hearing the sound bites about Trump not being quick enough to denounce some KKK idiot...so he is a racist, or he is courting the racist vote. Nonsense. Trump is on record, several times, as saying David Duke is a racist nut job...but don't let facts get in the way. And where are the questions of Hillary? Who do you think the Black Panther Party is voting for? Has Hillary denounced Black violent folks? Has she denounced the Nation of Islam? Has she denounced Wall Street...as in, not doing any more speeches for $250,000? If not, where are the questions?

Most of America is middle ground...but no one is listening to us. Break up the existing power structure and start over. Most Repubs and Dems have more in common than the parties want people to know. Leave the extremists to themselves.

Get use to it 'cause hilldog is going to run that on a loop nonstop until November.

I just watched that video. WTF are people talking about?

The only time the interviewer said Ku Klux Clan was when Trump was talking, so he could not have heard the words. Donald CLEARLY said, right in that interview, that he would certainly disavow groups that were wrong. He was being asked to condemn someone who belonged to a group, and Donald said to give him a list and he would research the groups and disavow group that were wrong.

He didn't want to condemn someone or something about which he didn't know. That is a rational response. Of course, rational is not the word that people want to hear because all people want to do is catch someone in a supposed, "gotcha' moment.

Low information, emotionally based voters.

Here's the clip.

http://www.cbsnews.com/live/video/donal ... es-on-kkk/

Seriously, is this what people are talking about?

[Ivytalk]

And electing Trump or Bernie will end the "divide and conquer" bit, huh? Explain that. Please do. I'm all ears. How will either of those guys unify this country? Or are you just another "up the Establishment" blogger who doesn't go on to Point B? I hope Trump wins, and makes you Secretary of State.

Ivy...I choose to try something different to try to get different results. You choose to keep doing the same shlt. Hmmmmm...do I need to explain further?

But, let's try this...from the top...once again.

Bernie is loonie. If he edges out Hillary, he can take all of the lefties and run for President. The middle Democrats, if they actually get the wake up call...can then reject business as usual.

Trump may be a clown, but he will crack the Republican party. Hard core conservatives are still, today, talking about trying to stop Trump in the convention if he wins the primaries. Let them. Fvck them. Take the right wing religious whack jobs and the uber elite and let them start their own party.

What does that leave? A bunch of middle ground Dems and Repubs that might finally recognize some common ground.

I'm tired of hearing the sound bites about Trump not being quick enough to denounce some KKK idiot...so he is a racist, or he is courting the racist vote. Nonsense. Trump is on record, several times, as saying David Duke is a racist nut job...but don't let facts get in the way. And where are the questions of Hillary? Who do you think the Black Panther Party is voting for? Has Hillary denounced Black violent folks? Has she denounced the Nation of Islam? Has she denounced Wall Street...as in, not doing any more speeches for $250,000? If not, where are the questions?

Most of America is middle ground...but no one is listening to us. Break up the existing power structure and start over. Most Repubs and Dems have more in common than the parties want people to know. Leave the extremists to themselves.

Even if your goal is to smash everything and start over, Trump is not the right change agent. Loyalty to his "strongman" personality is personal only, based on a "tell it like it is" approach that is bereft of policy depth. I don't want to "go all JSO" on you, but he's a dangerously unstable hypocrite who has probably lied more than the Hildabeast. Do you support deporting millions of illegals and bringing most of them back, while using illegals yourself? Building a wall and having no way of making Mexico pay for it? Supposedly disavowing David Duke with a "what do you guys want?" shrug? Backing unbridled eminent domain for the benefit of fat-cat developers and screwing the little guy with a dilapidated house? Undoing two generations of defamation law by making it easier for loudmouthed public figures to stifle the First Amendment by suing for any perceived slight? Being clueless about our Constitutional structure of government and the basic "who's who" of foreign policy? If your answer to these questions is yes,I guess Americans really do get the guvmint they deserve.

[kalm]

Ivy...I choose to try something different to try to get different results. You choose to keep doing the same shlt. Hmmmmm...do I need to explain further?

But, let's try this...from the top...once again.

Bernie is loonie. If he edges out Hillary, he can take all of the lefties and run for President. The middle Democrats, if they actually get the wake up call...can then reject business as usual.

Trump may be a clown, but he will crack the Republican party. Hard core conservatives are still, today, talking about trying to stop Trump in the convention if he wins the primaries. Let them. Fvck them. Take the right wing religious whack jobs and the uber elite and let them start their own party.

What does that leave? A bunch of middle ground Dems and Repubs that might finally recognize some common ground.

I'm tired of hearing the sound bites about Trump not being quick enough to denounce some KKK idiot...so he is a racist, or he is courting the racist vote. Nonsense. Trump is on record, several times, as saying David Duke is a racist nut job...but don't let facts get in the way. And where are the questions of Hillary? Who do you think the Black Panther Party is voting for? Has Hillary denounced Black violent folks? Has she denounced the Nation of Islam? Has she denounced Wall Street...as in, not doing any more speeches for $250,000? If not, where are the questions?

Most of America is middle ground...but no one is listening to us. Break up the existing power structure and start over. Most Repubs and Dems have more in common than the parties want people to know. Leave the extremists to themselves.

Even if your goal is to smash everything and start over, Trump is not the right change agent. Loyalty to his "strongman" personality is personal only, based on a "tell it like it is" approach that is bereft of policy depth. I don't want to "go all JSO" on you, but he's a dangerously unstable hypocrite who has probably lied more than the Hildabeast. Do you support deporting millions of illegals and bringing most of them back, while using illegals yourself? Building a wall and having no way of making Mexico pay for it? Supposedly disavowing David Duke with a "what do you guys want?" shrug? Backing unbridled eminent domain for the benefit of fat-cat developers and screwing the little guy with a dilapidated house? Undoing two generations of defamation law by making it easier for loudmouthed public figures to stifle the First Amendment by suing for any perceived slight? Being clueless about our Constitutional structure of government and the basic "who's who" of foreign policy? If your answer to these questions is yes,I guess Americans really do get the guvmint they deserve.

I'll bet you think reality shows are real too. Or pro wrestling...or the NBA.

[Ivytalk]

Even if your goal is to smash everything and start over, Trump is not the right change agent. Loyalty to his "strongman" personality is personal only, based on a "tell it like it is" approach that is bereft of policy depth. I don't want to "go all JSO" on you, but he's a dangerously unstable hypocrite who has probably lied more than the Hildabeast. Do you support deporting millions of illegals and bringing most of them back, while using illegals yourself? Building a wall and having no way of making Mexico pay for it? Supposedly disavowing David Duke with a "what do you guys want?" shrug? Backing unbridled eminent domain for the benefit of fat-cat developers and screwing the little guy with a dilapidated house? Undoing two generations of defamation law by making it easier for loudmouthed public figures to stifle the First Amendment by suing for any perceived slight? Being clueless about our Constitutional structure of government and the basic "who's who" of foreign policy? If your answer to these questions is yes,I guess Americans really do get the guvmint they deserve.

I'll bet you think reality shows are real too. Or pro wrestling...or the NBA.

Stupid comment, even for you. Trump can have his reality show back. Never watched it anyway.

[Ibanez]

Ivy...I choose to try something different to try to get different results. You choose to keep doing the same shlt. Hmmmmm...do I need to explain further?

But, let's try this...from the top...once again.

Bernie is loonie. If he edges out Hillary, he can take all of the lefties and run for President. The middle Democrats, if they actually get the wake up call...can then reject business as usual.

Trump may be a clown, but he will crack the Republican party. Hard core conservatives are still, today, talking about trying to stop Trump in the convention if he wins the primaries. Let them. Fvck them. Take the right wing religious whack jobs and the uber elite and let them start their own party.

What does that leave? A bunch of middle ground Dems and Repubs that might finally recognize some common ground.

I'm tired of hearing the sound bites about Trump not being quick enough to denounce some KKK idiot...so he is a racist, or he is courting the racist vote. Nonsense. Trump is on record, several times, as saying David Duke is a racist nut job...but don't let facts get in the way. And where are the questions of Hillary? Who do you think the Black Panther Party is voting for? Has Hillary denounced Black violent folks? Has she denounced the Nation of Islam? Has she denounced Wall Street...as in, not doing any more speeches for $250,000? If not, where are the questions?

Most of America is middle ground...but no one is listening to us. Break up the existing power structure and start over. Most Repubs and Dems have more in common than the parties want people to know. Leave the extremists to themselves.

Even if your goal is to smash everything and start over, Trump is not the right change agent. Loyalty to his "strongman" personality is personal only, based on a "tell it like it is" approach that is bereft of policy depth. I don't want to "go all JSO" on you, but he's a dangerously unstable hypocrite who has probably lied more than the Hildabeast. Do you support deporting millions of illegals and bringing most of them back, while using illegals yourself? Building a wall and having no way of making Mexico pay for it? Supposedly disavowing David Duke with a "what do you guys want?" shrug? Backing unbridled eminent domain for the benefit of fat-cat developers and screwing the little guy with a dilapidated house? Undoing two generations of defamation law by making it easier for loudmouthed public figures to stifle the First Amendment by suing for any perceived slight? Being clueless about our Constitutional structure of government and the basic "who's who" of foreign policy? If your answer to these questions is yes,I guess Americans really do get the guvmint they deserve.

[kalm]

I'll bet you think reality shows are real too. Or pro wrestling...or the NBA.

Stupid comment, even for you. Trump can have his reality show back. Never watched it anyway.

Me neither. In fact I've never watched any of them.

My comment is spot fucking on. You've fallen into the trap of taking Trump's rhetoric seriously. I did the same with Obama in 2008. Trump is a full of shit entertainer and there are enough checks to prevent him from destroying the country.

Tone down the drama, JSO.

[GannonFan]

Stupid comment, even for you. Trump can have his reality show back. Never watched it anyway.

Me neither. In fact I've never watched any of them.

My comment is spot **** on. You've fallen into the trap of taking Trump's rhetoric seriously. I did the same with Obama in 2008. Trump is a full of **** entertainer and there are enough checks to prevent him from destroying the country.

Tone down the drama, JSO.

I'm not in agreement with kalmie often, but he's right here, Trump isn't going to destroy the country if he's President - we've turned obstructed government into an art form, even Trump won't be able to do too many bad things in that environment.

[GannonFan]

Ivy...I choose to try something different to try to get different results. You choose to keep doing the same shlt. Hmmmmm...do I need to explain further?

But, let's try this...from the top...once again.

Bernie is loonie. If he edges out Hillary, he can take all of the lefties and run for President. The middle Democrats, if they actually get the wake up call...can then reject business as usual.

Trump may be a clown, but he will crack the Republican party. Hard core conservatives are still, today, talking about trying to stop Trump in the convention if he wins the primaries. Let them. Fvck them. Take the right wing religious whack jobs and the uber elite and let them start their own party.

What does that leave? A bunch of middle ground Dems and Repubs that might finally recognize some common ground.

I'm tired of hearing the sound bites about Trump not being quick enough to denounce some KKK idiot...so he is a racist, or he is courting the racist vote. Nonsense. Trump is on record, several times, as saying David Duke is a racist nut job...but don't let facts get in the way. And where are the questions of Hillary? Who do you think the Black Panther Party is voting for? Has Hillary denounced Black violent folks? Has she denounced the Nation of Islam? Has she denounced Wall Street...as in, not doing any more speeches for $250,000? If not, where are the questions?

Most of America is middle ground...but no one is listening to us. Break up the existing power structure and start over. Most Repubs and Dems have more in common than the parties want people to know. Leave the extremists to themselves.

Even if your goal is to smash everything and start over, Trump is not the right change agent. Loyalty to his "strongman" personality is personal only, based on a "tell it like it is" approach that is bereft of policy depth. I don't want to "go all JSO" on you, but he's a dangerously unstable hypocrite who has probably lied more than the Hildabeast. Do you support deporting millions of illegals and bringing most of them back, while using illegals yourself? Building a wall and having no way of making Mexico pay for it? Supposedly disavowing David Duke with a "what do you guys want?" shrug? Backing unbridled eminent domain for the benefit of fat-cat developers and screwing the little guy with a dilapidated house? Undoing two generations of defamation law by making it easier for loudmouthed public figures to stifle the First Amendment by suing for any perceived slight? Being clueless about our Constitutional structure of government and the basic "who's who" of foreign policy? If your answer to these questions is yes,I guess Americans really do get the guvmint they deserve.

I'd agree with you if the Presidency was more about the ideas and policies than it is the personality, but that's changed a lot over the past decade - the Presidency has always been partly a personality contest, but it's just gone hyper that way in the past few elections and possibly Trump is the culmination of that transformation.

[AZGrizFan]

Stupid comment, even for you. Trump can have his reality show back. Never watched it anyway.

Me neither. In fact I've never watched any of them.

My comment is spot fucking on. You've fallen into the trap of taking Trump's rhetoric seriously. I did the same with Obama in 2008. Trump is a full of shit entertainer and there are enough checks to prevent him from destroying the country.

Tone down the drama, JSO.

While I agree with your statement, it's not "the wall", or 1st Amendment rights or the deportation of millions of illegals that I'm concerned about. What there's NOT enough checks for are things like preventing him from stepping on his dick, starting a "police action" and committing troops because of some perceived slight, opening his mouth and embarrassing the country, fucking up international relations beyond repair, etc., etc., etc.

[Grizalltheway]

Interesting take on the Donald phenomenon. However you feel about him, I doubt we'll see anything quite like it again in our lifetimes.

http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/arc ... or/471837/

[CAA Flagship]

Stupid comment, even for you. Trump can have his reality show back. Never watched it anyway.

Me neither. In fact I've never watched any of them.

My comment is spot fucking on. You've fallen into the trap of taking Trump's rhetoric seriously. I did the same with Obama in 2008. Trump is a full of shit entertainer and there are enough checks to prevent him from destroying the country.

Tone down the drama, JSO.

Fuck. I have to agree with kalm here too. Yes, I'm ashamed.
Trump is trying to gain votes. And he is tapping into the anger of many Americans to do it. He's just playing the game. The question is, will he surround himself with good people? Let's face it, we really don't know what his platform is. But is that any different from voting for a candidate's platform that fails to materialize? History shows that many campaign promises are broken.