Republican Voters Disconnected from Reality

[GannonFan]

But he's pretty close. Let's face it, both Bernie and Trump are riding huge waves of populism and anger against the establishment - they are two sides of the same coin. Both have a lot of crazy ideas that, even if they are elected, they will probably be unable to do any of them. And both could very well be one-termers - Bernie because of his age, Trump because every one of his ventures goes bottoms up eventually. We're in an era of Absurdism (I'm coining that term) - the absurd is what people are gravitating towards - Trump on the right and Sanders on the left. If people weren't so fed up with same old politics as practiced by Bush and Clinton and Obama and others then candidates like Trump and Sanders wouldn't see the light of day. As it is, they both have very decent chances to be their party's nominees.

Absurdism, it's where it's at.

Absurdism would be voting for an establishment candidate like Hillary or Rubio and expecting different results.

Democrats should have learned that with Obama.

I don't think so - establishment candidates have often in the past broken with their establishment predecessors. Reagan would be a good example, he was very different from the Republicans that came before him (Nixon, Ford), and the same with the Democrats with Clinton (he was night and day different than Carter, who himself was night and day different from the Dems that came before him like LBJ). I think it's political and historical myopia to say that just because the recent history of Obama ending up being a dud that all establishment candidates for now and forever will be more of the same. I think it's probably true, though, with the current batch of establishment candidates, but that that's just specific to these folks running.

As for the Absurdism, I think the ironic part is that while people think that voting for Trump or Bernie will rock the system and really result in different outcomes, I think the opposite is more likely - Trump and Bernie are so disconnected from current government and both have a ton of ideas that will go abdolutely nowhere, that by electing either of those two we'll end up in the same place we are now - ineffective Executive branch and a whiny but also ineffective Legislative branch. The irony is that by voting for something in the hope of different results the reality is that those votes will all but secure the same results. Absurdism at it's finest really.

[kalm]

Absurdism would be voting for an establishment candidate like Hillary or Rubio and expecting different results.

Democrats should have learned that with Obama.

I don't think so - establishment candidates have often in the past broken with their establishment predecessors. Reagan would be a good example, he was very different from the Republicans that came before him (Nixon, Ford), and the same with the Democrats with Clinton (he was night and day different than Carter, who himself was night and day different from the Dems that came before him like LBJ). I think it's political and historical myopia to say that just because the recent history of Obama ending up being a dud that all establishment candidates for now and forever will be more of the same. I think it's probably true, though, with the current batch of establishment candidates, but that that's just specific to these folks running.

As for the Absurdism, I think the ironic part is that while people think that voting for Trump or Bernie will rock the system and really result in different outcomes, I think the opposite is more likely - Trump and Bernie are so disconnected from current government and both have a ton of ideas that will go abdolutely nowhere, that by electing either of those two we'll end up in the same place we are now - ineffective Executive branch and a whiny but also ineffective Legislative branch. The irony is that by voting for something in the hope of different results the reality is that those votes will all but secure the same results. Absurdism at it's finest really.

I disagree. I think our political system and the entire world have changed over the past several cycles.


The current system with its corruption and inefficiencies is absurd. That's the perfect word for it.

Remember the Buckley quote about history, what a conservative is, and yelling "STOP"!

[GannonFan]

I don't think so - establishment candidates have often in the past broken with their establishment predecessors. Reagan would be a good example, he was very different from the Republicans that came before him (Nixon, Ford), and the same with the Democrats with Clinton (he was night and day different than Carter, who himself was night and day different from the Dems that came before him like LBJ). I think it's political and historical myopia to say that just because the recent history of Obama ending up being a dud that all establishment candidates for now and forever will be more of the same. I think it's probably true, though, with the current batch of establishment candidates, but that that's just specific to these folks running.

As for the Absurdism, I think the ironic part is that while people think that voting for Trump or Bernie will rock the system and really result in different outcomes, I think the opposite is more likely - Trump and Bernie are so disconnected from current government and both have a ton of ideas that will go abdolutely nowhere, that by electing either of those two we'll end up in the same place we are now - ineffective Executive branch and a whiny but also ineffective Legislative branch. The irony is that by voting for something in the hope of different results the reality is that those votes will all but secure the same results. Absurdism at it's finest really.

I disagree. I think our political system and the entire world have changed over the past several cycles.


The current system with its corruption and inefficiencies is absurd. That's the perfect word for it.

Remember the Buckley quote about history, what a conservative is, and yelling "STOP"!

What's funny (ironical, not haha) is that you could take your quote about the current system and its corruption and inefficiencies and go back to any point in our history and find someone, when talking about their times, saying the same thing. And they also said that their time was vastly different than all the other times in our history in terms of corruption and inefficiency. If this board and if we live another 20 years, I'll bump this post again when you claim that 20 years from now is the most corrupt and the most inefficient.

[kalm]

I disagree. I think our political system and the entire world have changed over the past several cycles.


The current system with its corruption and inefficiencies is absurd. That's the perfect word for it.

Remember the Buckley quote about history, what a conservative is, and yelling "STOP"!

What's funny (ironical, not haha) is that you could take your quote about the current system and its corruption and inefficiencies and go back to any point in our history and find someone, when talking about their times, saying the same thing. And they also said that their time was vastly different than all the other times in our history in terms of corruption and inefficiency. If this board and if we live another 20 years, I'll bump this post again when you claim that 20 years from now is the most corrupt and the most inefficient.

I agree with some of this Ganny but that doesn't mean that the amount of corruption and degree of influence today hasn't increased.

Power has consolidated in areas like finance and banking that affect us all. That's not a good thing.

Competition and a wealth of different ideas ARE good tings.

[houndawg]

Bernie Sandiers isn't exactly an analogue to Donal Trump...

Anti-establishment... and funky hair... but, that's about it.

But he's pretty close. Let's face it, both Bernie and Trump are riding huge waves of populism and anger against the establishment - they are two sides of the same coin. Both have a lot of crazy ideas that, even if they are elected, they will probably be unable to do any of them. And both could very well be one-termers - Bernie because of his age, Trump because every one of his ventures goes bottoms up eventually. We're in an era of Absurdism (I'm coining that term) - the absurd is what people are gravitating towards - Trump on the right and Sanders on the left. If people weren't so fed up with same old politics as practiced by Bush and Clinton and Obama and others then candidates like Trump and Sanders wouldn't see the light of day. As it is, they both have very decent chances to be their party's nominees.

Absurdism, it's where it's at.

No they aren't even close to being two sides of the same coin. Trump has no ideas at all beyond building a wall; shit, he can't believe he's still in the game at this point. Some of Bernie's ideas sound crazy when compared to current failures, but hey, what's the definition of stupid...

[YoUDeeMan]

houndpuppy sounds like a whining little girl defending Bernie. "Yeah, but my mom is better than your mom...and you're stupid."

I'd like Trump to win. Burn it down.

And really...what mamby pamby girl squeaks about us being the laughing stock of the world?



Europe, the destroyer of all evil dictators (along with Obama) and, (insert irony here) the direct cause of the recent immigration problem, is in shambles. Their right wing and left wing loonies are a sight to behold.

All of Asia is cowering under Chinese expansion...jeez, they sould like the Muslins..."anything we owned 1,000 years ago is still ours. We'll build an airstrip on a coral reef to prove our point." Violence and corruption abounds in almost every Asian country...along with population and poverty issues that are out of control.

Africa is still a shithole in any direction you care to look...and (or, the irony) with millions of slaves that are living far worse than the slaves on our plantations (hey, where's Spike Lee when you need him).

South America...better than Africa...but not by much.

Yup...look around the globe and 'Merica is still the king. People like houndawg say that the world is laughing at us, but that is only because of houndawg's, and the world's, jealousy, ignorance, and bitterness.

[AZGrizFan]

I sene densedawg is still stuck on stupid. The respublicans control the:
-Senate
-House
-close to 2/3 of Governorships
-a majority of Lt Gov
-a majority of state attorney generals
-a majority of state legislative bodies & state legislatures.
-a majority of locally held offices..

About the only thing the republicans don't control is the WH. The only thing that is dead is your brain..

I guess that explains why the country is going to shit.

Well, that's certainly a different tune than you've been singing on here over the past 8 years.

[AshevilleApp]

The only person capable of restoring this country to greatness if Mitt Romney or Jon Huntsman. Unfortunately, Mr. Young & Mr. Smith have not returned yet.

Good troll!

[kalm]

The only person capable of restoring this country to greatness if Mitt Romney or Jon Huntsman. Unfortunately, Mr. Young & Mr. Smith have not returned yet.

Pft! I could kill three birds with one stone!

[AZGrizFan]

The only person capable of restoring this country to greatness if Mitt Romney or Jon Huntsman. Unfortunately, Mr. Young & Mr. Smith have not returned yet.

Pft! I could kill three birds with one stone!

[andy7171]

I don't like Trump the person. What I do like is he isn't beholden to anyone, that something has to be done to change the ways of the political class, neither the (R) or the (D) want him to be nominated. He says what most think most of the time. If a politician hits him, he hits back with things no other politician is prepared to deal with, without 48 hrs of conferencing with what to say publicly.
What he is doing is different.
What he is doing is crossing party lines.

[houndawg]

houndpuppy sounds like a whining little girl defending Bernie. "Yeah, but my mom is better than your mom...and you're stupid."

I'd like Trump to win. Burn it down.

And really...what mamby pamby girl squeaks about us being the laughing stock of the world?



Europe, the destroyer of all evil dictators (along with Obama) and, (insert irony here) the direct cause of the recent immigration problem, is in shambles. Their right wing and left wing loonies are a sight to behold.

All of Asia is cowering under Chinese expansion...jeez, they sould like the Muslins..."anything we owned 1,000 years ago is still ours. We'll build an airstrip on a coral reef to prove our point." Violence and corruption abounds in almost every Asian country...along with population and poverty issues that are out of control.

Africa is still a shithole in any direction you care to look...and (or, the irony) with millions of slaves that are living far worse than the slaves on our plantations (hey, where's Spike Lee when you need him).

South America...better than Africa...but not by much.

Yup...look around the globe and 'Merica is still the king. People like houndawg say that the world is laughing at us, but that is only because of houndawg's, and the world's, jealousy, ignorance, and bitterness.

I think your slavish adoration of all things houndawg has caused you to post your verbal ejaculations in the wrong thread, comrade.

Bernie is your next president, cuck, and you and I both know how that thrills you when you aren't on line posing as a conk from the microcephalic wing.

[JohnStOnge]

I looked up the Real Clear Politics averages. Trump ranks 6th among Republicans in terms of how they fare against Clinton behind Rubio, Cruz, Carson, Christie, and Bush. He ranks 7th in terms of how they fare against Sanders behind Rubio, Carson, Fiorina, Christie, Bush, and Cruz.

We know- you posted this same thing 2 weeks ago, except Trump was 8th then.
http://www.championshipsubdivision.com/ ... 7#p1026117" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Yes. Since then Sanders has gained ground on Hillary and improved his relative position. My recollection is that Trump has moved up the ladder a little with respect to how he would do against Hillary and down the ladder a little in terms of how he would do against Sanders.

There is going to be random variation in polls. The basic situation hasn't changed.

[JohnStOnge]

I was wondering how many people are like me in that they are people who have always voted Republican in Presidential elections but absolutely will not vote for Trump if he is the nominee. Today I was watching Fox News and they reported some results that kind of get at that. Not quite but kind of the same kind of thing. 15% of respondents who said they will vote in Republican primaries or caucuses said they absolutely will not vote for Trump against the Democrat in the general election.

I've already seen some pundits say that's a positive for Trump because it's "only" 15 percent. But to me a Republican who has 15 percent of Republican primary voters say they absolutely will not vote for him in the general election is huge. National elections are usually won or lost by a few percentage points. Obama's margin over Romney was 4 percent. 15 percent of Republicans who voted in 2012 was about 5 percent of the vote. You see what I'm getting at. Having 15 percent of people in your own party saying they will not vote for you against the other party under any circumstances is a problem.

And I think it might get worse. For instance: My wife is on the Republican State Central Committee. A few weeks ago when I said I absolutely will not vote for Trump she said that if he's the Republican nominee I really need to vote for him. This morning she told me that it's gotten to the point where she can not vote for him nor can she work for his election. She won't do it. And this is not an "establishment" Republican.

Add to that kind of thing the fact that if he gets the nomination and the Democrats unleash on him his background is going to be a target rich environment for them and you have to be insane to think picking him as the Republican nominee is anything but party suicide.

[BDKJMU]

I was wondering how many people are like me in that they are people who have always voted Republican in Presidential elections but absolutely will not vote for Trump if he is the nominee. Today I was watching Fox News and they reported some results that kind of get at that. Not quite but kind of the same kind of thing. 15% of respondents who said they will vote in Republican primaries or caucuses said they absolutely will not vote for Trump against the Democrat in the general election.

I've already seen some pundits say that's a positive for Trump because it's "only" 15 percent. But to me a Republican who has 15 percent of Republican primary voters say they absolutely will not vote for him in the general election is huge. National elections are usually won or lost by a few percentage points. Obama's margin over Romney was 4 percent. 15 percent of Republicans who voted in 2012 was about 5 percent of the vote. You see what I'm getting at. Having 15 percent of people in your own party saying they will not vote for you against the other party under any circumstances is a problem.

And I think it might get worse. For instance: My wife is on the Republican State Central Committee. A few weeks ago when I said I absolutely will not vote for Trump she said that if he's the Republican nominee I really need to vote for him. This morning she told me that it's gotten to the point where she can not vote for him nor can she work for his election. She won't do it. And this is not an "establishment" Republican.

Add to that kind of thing the fact that if he gets the nomination and the Democrats unleash on him his background is going to be a target rich environment for them and you have to be insane to think picking him as the Republican nominee is anything but party suicide.

But you also have to take into account
-the fact that Hillary or Bernie aren't going to get near the donk turnout, esp minority turnout, that Obama did.
-the republicans who would turnout to vote for Trump in the general who would refuse to vote for an R "establishment" candidate in the general (but also wouldn't vote donk) and would either vote 3rd party or just wouldn't turnout.
-the independents who would turnout to vote for Trump in the general who refuse vote for an R "establishment" candidate in the general and would either vote donk, 3rd party or just wouldn't turnout.

[SDHornet]

But he's pretty close. Let's face it, both Bernie and Trump are riding huge waves of populism and anger against the establishment - they are two sides of the same coin. Both have a lot of crazy ideas that, even if they are elected, they will probably be unable to do any of them. And both could very well be one-termers - Bernie because of his age, Trump because every one of his ventures goes bottoms up eventually. We're in an era of Absurdism (I'm coining that term) - the absurd is what people are gravitating towards - Trump on the right and Sanders on the left. If people weren't so fed up with same old politics as practiced by Bush and Clinton and Obama and others then candidates like Trump and Sanders wouldn't see the light of day. As it is, they both have very decent chances to be their party's nominees.

Absurdism, it's where it's at.

Absurdism would be voting for an establishment candidate like Hillary or Rubio and expecting different results.

Democrats should have learned that with Obama.

Racist.

[SDHornet]

I was wondering how many people are like me in that they are people who have always voted Republican in Presidential elections but absolutely will not vote for Trump if he is the nominee. Today I was watching Fox News and they reported some results that kind of get at that. Not quite but kind of the same kind of thing. 15% of respondents who said they will vote in Republican primaries or caucuses said they absolutely will not vote for Trump against the Democrat in the general election.

I've already seen some pundits say that's a positive for Trump because it's "only" 15 percent. But to me a Republican who has 15 percent of Republican primary voters say they absolutely will not vote for him in the general election is huge. National elections are usually won or lost by a few percentage points. Obama's margin over Romney was 4 percent. 15 percent of Republicans who voted in 2012 was about 5 percent of the vote. You see what I'm getting at. Having 15 percent of people in your own party saying they will not vote for you against the other party under any circumstances is a problem.

And I think it might get worse. For instance: My wife is on the Republican State Central Committee. A few weeks ago when I said I absolutely will not vote for Trump she said that if he's the Republican nominee I really need to vote for him. This morning she told me that it's gotten to the point where she can not vote for him nor can she work for his election. She won't do it. And this is not an "establishment" Republican.

Add to that kind of thing the fact that if he gets the nomination and the Democrats unleash on him his background is going to be a target rich environment for them and you have to be insane to think picking him as the Republican nominee is anything but party suicide.

But you also have to take into account
-the fact that Hillary or Bernie aren't going to get near the donk turnout, esp minority turnout, that Obama did.
-the republicans who would turnout to vote for Trump in the general who would refuse to vote for an R "establishment" candidate in the general (but also wouldn't vote donk) and would either vote 3rd party or just wouldn't turnout.
-the independents who would turnout to vote for Trump in the general who refuse vote for an R "establishment" candidate in the general and would either vote donk, 3rd party or just wouldn't turnout.

You forgot the ill will Trump has generated with us Brown folks because of his ridiculous immigration comments. Yes I realize the "keep Muslims out" and the "deport Mexicans" is something that would never happen (legally), but I'm the informed minority within the minorities, (see what I did there ) and those sound bites will resonate with the voting sheeple.

Oh and I'm probably voting 3rd party if Rubio can't win.

[BDKJMU]

But you also have to take into account
-the fact that Hillary or Bernie aren't going to get near the donk turnout, esp minority turnout, that Obama did.
-the republicans who would turnout to vote for Trump in the general who would refuse to vote for an R "establishment" candidate in the general (but also wouldn't vote donk) and would either vote 3rd party or just wouldn't turnout.
-the independents who would turnout to vote for Trump in the general who refuse vote for an R "establishment" candidate in the general and would either vote donk, 3rd party or just wouldn't turnout.

You forgot the ill will Trump has generated with us Brown folks because of his ridiculous immigration comments. Yes I realize the "keep Muslims out" and the "deport Mexicans" is something that would never happen (legally), but I'm the informed minority within the minorities, (see what I did there ) and those sound bites will resonate with the voting sheeple.

Oh and I'm probably voting 3rd party if Rubio can't win.

Poll: Donald Trump Leads GOP Field Among Hispanics
http://www.impulsetoday.com/poll-donald ... hispanics/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

"Presidential primary candidate Donald Trump leads his Republican rivals in favorability with Hispanics, a new poll released Monday from Public Policy Polling (PPP) reveals.

The poll results show Trump recording a 24 percent favorability rating among Hispanics.

Only the top five candidates appeared in the poll.

In a close second among favorability with Hispanics was Ted Cruz at 22 percent, followed by Jeb Bush with 20 percent, Ben Carson at 13 percent, and Marco Rubio with 11 percent.

This isn’t the first time that Trump has been in this position. Trump led the GOP field with a 34 percent favorability rating among Hispanics in a PPP poll recorded this past July.

The poll was conducted by surveying 1,267 registered voters on the dates of December 16th and 17th, and the margin of error was +/- 2.8 percent. The full results from the poll can be seen here."
http://www.publicpolicypolling.com/pdf/ ... 122115.pdf" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

[DSUrocks07]

You forgot the ill will Trump has generated with us Brown folks because of his ridiculous immigration comments. Yes I realize the "keep Muslims out" and the "deport Mexicans" is something that would never happen (legally), but I'm the informed minority within the minorities, (see what I did there ) and those sound bites will resonate with the voting sheeple.

Oh and I'm probably voting 3rd party if Rubio can't win.

Poll: Donald Trump Leads GOP Field Among Hispanics
http://www.impulsetoday.com/poll-donald ... hispanics/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

"Presidential primary candidate Donald Trump leads his Republican rivals in favorability with Hispanics, a new poll released Monday from Public Policy Polling (PPP) reveals.

The poll results show Trump recording a 24 percent favorability rating among Hispanics.

Only the top five candidates appeared in the poll.

In a close second among favorability with Hispanics was Ted Cruz at 22 percent, followed by Jeb Bush with 20 percent, Ben Carson at 13 percent, and Marco Rubio with 11 percent.

This isn’t the first time that Trump has been in this position. Trump led the GOP field with a 34 percent favorability rating among Hispanics in a PPP poll recorded this past July.

The poll was conducted by surveying 1,267 registered voters on the dates of December 16th and 17th, and the margin of error was +/- 2.8 percent. The full results from the poll can be seen here."
http://www.publicpolicypolling.com/pdf/ ... 122115.pdf" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Ironic, his comments were aimed towards illegal immigrants, who aren't able to vote , and his support with Hispanics are the citizens who are able to vote.

Think about it, libs claim that illegals do jobs that nobody wants to do, do they not realize that there are those who already HAVE those jobs that are legal citizens?

Why do Dems want to take jobs from Hispanics?

[Skjellyfetti]

“I have the most loyal people, did you ever see that? I could stand in the middle of 5th Avenue and shoot people and I wouldn’t lose voters,” he said.

http://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/gop ... se-support" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

[CID1990]

“I have the most loyal people, did you ever see that? I could stand in the middle of 5th Avenue and shoot people and I wouldn’t lose voters,” he said.

http://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/gop ... se-support" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

given the things he has said so far without losing voters that may not be too far fetched

[Ivytalk]

But you also have to take into account
-the fact that Hillary or Bernie aren't going to get near the donk turnout, esp minority turnout, that Obama did.
-the republicans who would turnout to vote for Trump in the general who would refuse to vote for an R
"establishment" candidate in the general (but also wouldn't vote donk) and would either vote 3rd party or just wouldn't turnout.
-the independents who would turnout to vote for Trump in the general who refuse vote for an R "establishment" candidate in the general and would either vote donk, 3rd party or just wouldn't turnout.

You forgot the ill will Trump has generated with us Brown folks because of his ridiculous immigration
comments. Yes I realize the "keep Muslims out" and the "deport Mexicans" is something that would never happen (legally), but I'm the informed minority within the minorities, (see what I did there ) and those sound bites will resonate with the voting sheeple.

Oh and I'm probably voting 3rd party if Rubio can't win.

Oh, are you going to revive La Raza Unida?

[SDHornet]

You forgot the ill will Trump has generated with us Brown folks because of his ridiculous immigration
comments. Yes I realize the "keep Muslims out" and the "deport Mexicans" is something that would never happen (legally), but I'm the informed minority within the minorities, (see what I did there ) and those sound bites will resonate with the voting sheeple.

Oh and I'm probably voting 3rd party if Rubio can't win.

Oh, are you going to revive La Raza Unida?

Naw they can carry their own water.

[SDHornet]

You forgot the ill will Trump has generated with us Brown folks because of his ridiculous immigration comments. Yes I realize the "keep Muslims out" and the "deport Mexicans" is something that would never happen (legally), but I'm the informed minority within the minorities, (see what I did there ) and those sound bites will resonate with the voting sheeple.

Oh and I'm probably voting 3rd party if Rubio can't win.

Poll: Donald Trump Leads GOP Field Among Hispanics
http://www.impulsetoday.com/poll-donald ... hispanics/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

"Presidential primary candidate Donald Trump leads his Republican rivals in favorability with Hispanics, a new poll released Monday from Public Policy Polling (PPP) reveals.

The poll results show Trump recording a 24 percent favorability rating among Hispanics.

Only the top five candidates appeared in the poll.

In a close second among favorability with Hispanics was Ted Cruz at 22 percent, followed by Jeb Bush with 20 percent, Ben Carson at 13 percent, and Marco Rubio with 11 percent.

This isn’t the first time that Trump has been in this position. Trump led the GOP field with a 34 percent favorability rating among Hispanics in a PPP poll recorded this past July.

The poll was conducted by surveying 1,267 registered voters on the dates of December 16th and 17th, and the margin of error was +/- 2.8 percent. The full results from the poll can be seen here."
http://www.publicpolicypolling.com/pdf/ ... 122115.pdf" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

A whooping 1200 people were polled.

Oh and you left out this tidbit too:

The strongest Republican against Clinton, as we've found repeatedly
in recent polling, is Marco Rubio.

[kalm]

Poll: Donald Trump Leads GOP Field Among Hispanics
http://www.impulsetoday.com/poll-donald ... hispanics/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

"Presidential primary candidate Donald Trump leads his Republican rivals in favorability with Hispanics, a new poll released Monday from Public Policy Polling (PPP) reveals.

The poll results show Trump recording a 24 percent favorability rating among Hispanics.

Only the top five candidates appeared in the poll.

In a close second among favorability with Hispanics was Ted Cruz at 22 percent, followed by Jeb Bush with 20 percent, Ben Carson at 13 percent, and Marco Rubio with 11 percent.

This isn’t the first time that Trump has been in this position. Trump led the GOP field with a 34 percent favorability rating among Hispanics in a PPP poll recorded this past July.

The poll was conducted by surveying 1,267 registered voters on the dates of December 16th and 17th, and the margin of error was +/- 2.8 percent. The full results from the poll can be seen here."
http://www.publicpolicypolling.com/pdf/ ... 122115.pdf" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

A whooping 1200 people were polled.

Oh and you left out this tidbit too:

The strongest Republican against Clinton, as we've found repeatedly
in recent polling, is Marco Rubio.

Sexist.