Does anybody on this board want Hillary to be President?

[BDKJMU]

Truth be told, I couldn't really give a ****, as long as the next presidents name isn't Bush or Clinton.
I threw away my last two Presidential votes for Ron Paul and Gary Johnson. It really makes no difference for me in a Navy blue state. I'm really thinking of registering as a (D) again, just so my primary vote could maybe count.

I was riding the bus to work the day after Obama was elected. I've never seen so many smiling faces and happy people. I was hopeful for better times. 7 years later, the look of misery is back. And has been for a good 6 1/2 years.

Bullshit.

Gas under $2/gal, record stock market, record war profits with all the war we want backed up and just waiting to buy weapons.....its a conks wet dream, andy. You'll be jacking your meat until the tweezers melt..

National avg the Day Bush left office: $1.89
National avg (AAA) today): $2.00

[SuperHornet]

Gas under $2/gal, record stock market, record war profits with all the war we want backed up and just waiting to buy weapons.....its a conks wet dream, andy. You'll be jacking your meat until the tweezers melt..

The national average might well be < $2/gal and dropping, but that's definitely NOT true here in Cali. Prices just went up 20c/gal in the last week or so. The "excuse" is yet another refinery accident combined with no imports. More lies to cover up the fact that Big Oil (just like every other ECB outfit) is out to screw Cali....

[BDKJMU]

Nope, he wouldn't last a few minutes against Trump. That and people are still vehemently anti-Mormon.

Trump IS that bad a candidate, and I think Romney would take the high road.

I think you're misremembering how close he was to winning last time. I think he'd wreck the Hillary campaign, not be the embarrassment the Trump campaign is and will be going forward.

If you have a candidate who has:
-In a very large primary field has maintained a huge double digit lead for 4+ months.
-has pissed off the establishment
-has played the mainstream media like a fiddle. Most of the "outlandish" stuff he says he probably doesn't even believe but is to step back and watch with a smirk the outlandish reactions from the mainstream media and establishment. And it works like a charm every time. Greatest troll job ever.
-No one else's political rallies, none of the other Republicans, Clintons, or Sanders even come close to what Trump is getting.
-According to some of the polls, is within striking distance of the likely (granted flawed) democrat nominee.
Those are not the signs of a bad candidate or embarrassing campaign..

[Baldy]

Gas under $2/gal, record stock market, record war profits with all the war we want backed up and just waiting to buy weapons.....its a conks wet dream, andy. You'll be jacking your meat until the tweezers melt..

The national average might well be < $2/gal and dropping, but that's definitely NOT true here in Cali. Prices just went up 20c/gal in the last week or so. The "excuse" is yet another refinery accident combined with no imports. More lies to cover up the fact that Big Oil (just like every other ECB outfit) is out to screw Cali....

Cali is royal blue...you're screwing yourself.

[CID1990]

I have to admit

Considering all the alternatives- Trump wouldn't really be any worse than anybody else currently running

but his election would be worth it just for the galloping trainwreck liberal freakout meltdown

hell Jon's reaction alone would be worth voting for trump

[JohnStOnge]

Trump wouldn't really be any worse than anybody else currently running

Yes he would. I mean really, think about it.

Just about anybody on the Republican side would be a better President than Trump. He is the worst choice on the Republican side available. He really is. I'm honestly trying to think of one that would be worse and I can't.

[CID1990]

Trump wouldn't really be any worse than anybody else currently running

Yes he would. He would be an absolute disaster as President. He has not clue. He's a complete charlatan.

Like I said

No worse than anyone currently running

[JohnStOnge]

No worse than anyone currently running.

I know you can't be serious. Like for instance Bush has no shot now but he pretty obviously would make a much better President than trump. Lindsey Graham would've made a much better President than Trump. Rand Paul. John Kasich.

Trump is a really, really bad alternative. SO bad that I actually caught myself thinking that if I was in a State where it was close I'd have vote for Hillary. THAT'S how bad an alternative Trump is. Electing Trump would be like electing Al Sharpton President except he's at a different extreme. But that's the general personality type. He's basically a White Al Sharpton except he wants to kick the Mexicans out instead of registering them to vote.

[SuperHornet]

The national average might well be < $2/gal and dropping, but that's definitely NOT true here in Cali. Prices just went up 20c/gal in the last week or so. The "excuse" is yet another refinery accident combined with no imports. More lies to cover up the fact that Big Oil (just like every other ECB outfit) is out to screw Cali....

Cali is royal blue...you're screwing yourself.

The only thing royal blue about me here in Cali is my royal blue star....

[houndawg]

Bullshit.

Gas under $2/gal, record stock market, record war profits with all the war we want backed up and just waiting to buy weapons.....its a conks wet dream, andy. You'll be jacking your meat until the tweezers melt..

National avg the Day Bush left office: $1.89
National avg (AAA) today): $2.00

Gas $1.90 here, bin Laden dead, unemployment down, DOW at all time high. If Obama were white he'd be on Mt. Rushmore.

[kalm]

I will seriously consider Trump in that scenario. Pissing on the establishment is a good thing.

That's cute you don't think that Trump is part of the establishment.

I didn't say he wasn't. I said he would piss on them.

Teddy Roosevelt was part of the establishment too. If he were running today you wouldn't vote for him because he wouldn't have a D behind his name.

"Cute"...

[houndawg]

No worse than anyone currently running.

I know you can't be serious. Like for instance Bush has no shot now but he pretty obviously would make a much better President than trump. Lindsey Graham would've made a much better President than Trump. Rand Paul. John Kasich.

Trump is a really, really bad alternative. SO bad that I actually caught myself thinking that if I was in a State where it was close I'd have vote for Hillary. THAT'S how bad an alternative Trump is. Electing Trump would be like electing Al Sharpton President except he's at a different extreme. But that's the general personality type. He's basically a White Al Sharpton except he wants to kick the Mexicans out instead of registering them to vote.

nothing obvious about it - Jeb Bush is a bigger pansy than his little brother. And Lindsey Graham should switch parties, the one he's in hates his guts no matter how much he parrots their vitriol.

[houndawg]

Trump can quit tonight and Hillary still wins.

At this point I don't know. I do think if you matched her up against Marco Rubio she could lose.

But before Trump got involved and screwed things up there was a really good chance of having the Republican candidate beat her. Heck, before Trump got involved polls were showing her losing a head to head popular vote match up to Rand Paul.

Trump just totally screwed things up for the Republicans. A gift from Heaven for the Democrats. You can look at the polls at http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls ... _race.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; and see that Trump is one of the worst choices the Republicans could make if they want to win the General Election. Yet the Trump idiots out there continue to allow him to screw things up.

He's a buffoon who will, if nominated, get absolutely annihilated in a general election. What's going on now with potential Republican primary voters supporting him is one of the saddest, stupidest things I've ever seen. It's suicide.

So how does this make him different than the rest of the field?

[BDKJMU]

National avg the Day Bush left office: $1.89
National avg (AAA) today): $2.00

Gas $1.90 here, bin Laden dead, unemployment down, DOW at all time high. If Obama were white he'd be on Mt. Rushmore.

-No one cares what you're paying. Fact is people were paying less on avg nationally the day Bush left office than now.

-Outside of Bin Laden being killed Obama's foreign policy has been a disaster.

-Unemployment down only if you're enough to believe what the Dept of labor says with the U3 and completely ignore the fact that millions have dropped out of the work force and the labor force participation rate is at a 30 some year low. If the millions who dropped out of the labor force since 09' were included the unemployment rate would be in the double digits..

-Dow, S&P 500 in red for 2015, worst year since 2008
http://news.yahoo.com/dow-p-500-end-201 ... NlYwNzcg--" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

-Annual GDP growth 7 years under Obama ABYSMAL 1.49% annual avg. Worst post recession recovery in US history..
2009: -2.8%
2010: 2.5%
2011: 1.6%
2012: 2.3%
2013: 2.2%
2014: 2.4%
2015: 2.2% so far (1st 3 quarters .6%, 3.9%, 2.0%)
http://data.worldbank.org/indicator/NY.GDP.MKTP.KD.ZG" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

-National debt about 10.6 trillion when Obama took office, approaching 19 trillion, on pace to nearly double.

Mt Rushmore. ...

[CID1990]

Gas $1.90 here, bin Laden dead, unemployment down, DOW at all time high. If Obama were white he'd be on Mt. Rushmore.

-No one cares what you're paying. Fact is people were paying less on avg nationally the day Bush left office than now.

-Outside of Bin Laden being killed Obama's foreign policy has been a disaster.

-Unemployment down only if you're enough to believe what the Dept of labor says with the U3 and completely ignore the fact that millions have dropped out of the work force and the labor force participation rate is at a 30 some year low. If the millions who dropped out of the labor force since 09' were included the unemployment rate would be in the double digits..

-Dow, S&P 500 in red for 2015, worst year since 2008
http://news.yahoo.com/dow-p-500-end-201 ... NlYwNzcg--" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

-Annual GDP growth 7 years under Obama ABYSMAL 1.49% annual avg. Worst post recession recovery in US history..
2009: -2.8%
2010: 2.5%
2011: 1.6%
2012: 2.3%
2013: 2.2%
2014: 2.4%
2015: 2.2% so far (1st 3 quarters .6%, 3.9%, 2.0%)
http://data.worldbank.org/indicator/NY.GDP.MKTP.KD.ZG" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

-National debt about 10.6 trillion when Obama took office, approaching 19 trillion, on pace to nearly double.

Mt Rushmore. ...

you gave Barry a win on Bin Laden but even that wasn't Barry

that was Creepy Uncle Joe's call

[kalm]

Gas $1.90 here, bin Laden dead, unemployment down, DOW at all time high. If Obama were white he'd be on Mt. Rushmore.

-No one cares what you're paying. Fact is people were paying less on avg nationally the day Bush left office than now.

-Outside of Bin Laden being killed Obama's foreign policy has been a disaster.

-Unemployment down only if you're enough to believe what the Dept of labor says with the U3 and completely ignore the fact that millions have dropped out of the work force and the labor force participation rate is at a 30 some year low. If the millions who dropped out of the labor force since 09' were included the unemployment rate would be in the double digits..

-Dow, S&P 500 in red for 2015, worst year since 2008
http://news.yahoo.com/dow-p-500-end-201 ... NlYwNzcg--" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

-Annual GDP growth 7 years under Obama ABYSMAL 1.49% annual avg. Worst post recession recovery in US history..
2009: -2.8%
2010: 2.5%
2011: 1.6%
2012: 2.3%
2013: 2.2%
2014: 2.4%
2015: 2.2% so far (1st 3 quarters .6%, 3.9%, 2.0%)
http://data.worldbank.org/indicator/NY.GDP.MKTP.KD.ZG" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

-National debt about 10.6 trillion when Obama took office, approaching 19 trillion, on pace to nearly double.

Mt Rushmore. ...

I love how conk interest in unemployment calculations suddenly changed in...oh somewhere around 2009?

But yes, Obama's record has indeed fallen short of promises. It will be interesting to see how History views him 30 years from now...

[houndawg]

I have to admit

Considering all the alternatives- Trump wouldn't really be any worse than anybody else currently running

but his election would be worth it just for the galloping trainwreck liberal freakout meltdown

hell Jon's reaction alone would be worth voting for trump

You're out of the country too much, you've lost touch: Trump is a donk wet dream of an opponent.

[JohnStOnge]

You know you could go through each one of those but the one I'll pick is South Africa. The dirty little secret is that South Africa was better off under Apartheid. I've thought that for years but you can Google "South Africa was better off under Apartheid" and quickly see that I'm by no means the only person to think that.

Not that Reagan took that position. He didn't. He just disagreed with Congress over the specific nature of sanctions.Which of course means the statement made in the image above is misleading. Shocker.

[kalm]

You know you could go through each one of those but the one I'll pick is South Africa. The dirty little secret is that South Africa was better off under Apartheid. I've thought that for years but you can Google "South Africa was better off under Apartheid" and quickly see that I'm by no means the only person to think that.

Not that Reagan took that position. He didn't. He just disagreed with Congress over the specific nature of sanctions.Which of course means the statement made in the image above is misleading. Shocker.

Ok. What position did Reagan take, then? Would his position have ended apartheid?

[houndawg]

You know you could go through each one of those but the one I'll pick is South Africa. The dirty little secret is that South Africa was better off under Apartheid. I've thought that for years but you can Google "South Africa was better off under Apartheid" and quickly see that I'm by no means the only person to think that.

Not that Reagan took that position. He didn't. He just disagreed with Congress over the specific nature of sanctions.Which of course means the statement made in the image above is misleading. Shocker.

Next you'll be trying to explain away 11 tax increases in 8 years.

[houndawg]

You know you could go through each one of those but the one I'll pick is South Africa. The dirty little secret is that South Africa was better off under Apartheid. I've thought that for years but you can Google "South Africa was better off under Apartheid" and quickly see that I'm by no means the only person to think that.

Not that Reagan took that position. He didn't. He just disagreed with Congress over the specific nature of sanctions.Which of course means the statement made in the image above is misleading. Shocker.

You could but you'd look pretty silly trying to explain how SS wasn't really robbed, or trying to defend his letting the embassy hostages stay in captivity months longer than necessary just to make Carter look even worse, or how he got played like a fiddle by Khomeini. But I'd love to hear you try!

Don't forget the Statistics 101 analysis.

[AZGrizFan]

Tripled the national debt. From $1T to $3T. Obama tried like hell but could only double the national debt....from $10T to $19T. Obama spends almost $2T extra every YEAR. His ability to spend money we don't have (but borrow from China) is legendary.

[BDKJMU]

You know you could go through each one of those but the one I'll pick is South Africa. The dirty little secret is that South Africa was better off under Apartheid. I've thought that for years but you can Google "South Africa was better off under Apartheid" and quickly see that I'm by no means the only person to think that.

Not that Reagan took that position. He didn't. He just disagreed with Congress over the specific nature of sanctions.Which of course means the statement made in the image above is misleading. Shocker.

Next you'll be trying to explain away 11 tax increases in 8 years.

Typical densedog obfuscating red herring. Reagan cut FAR more in taxes than he raised..
http://dailycaller.com/2012/06/06/ronal ... eal-story/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

[CitadelGrad]

You know you could go through each one of those but the one I'll pick is South Africa. The dirty little secret is that South Africa was better off under Apartheid. I've thought that for years but you can Google "South Africa was better off under Apartheid" and quickly see that I'm by no means the only person to think that.

Not that Reagan took that position. He didn't. He just disagreed with Congress over the specific nature of sanctions.Which of course means the statement made in the image above is misleading. Shocker.

You could but you'd look pretty silly trying to explain how SS wasn't really robbed, or trying to defend his letting the embassy hostages stay in captivity months longer than necessary just to make Carter look even worse, or how he got played like a fiddle by Khomeini. But I'd love to hear you try!

Don't forget the Statistics 101 analysis.

How the hell did he keep the hostages in Iran in captivity months longer than necessary? Iran announced their release only a few minutes after Reagan was inaugurated in Jan. 1981. I remember it very clearly, as I was at the U.S. Capitol building when the announcement was made.

[CID1990]

I have to admit

Considering all the alternatives- Trump wouldn't really be any worse than anybody else currently running

but his election would be worth it just for the galloping trainwreck liberal freakout meltdown

hell Jon's reaction alone would be worth voting for trump

You're out of the country too much, you've lost touch: Trump is a donk wet dream of an opponent.

and you read at a 2nd grade level

I said his election

not his nomination

D+ for you