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Re: Conservatism + Religiosity = Fail?

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Chizzang wrote:
89Hen wrote: Would you care to link all your posts that cast a positive light on religion? I sure can post dozens that don't.

I'm not neutral on politics or religion, I have no problem admitting that. You on the other hand seem to want to pretend.
I'm not neutral on Religion
I will tell you right to your face that if you think the books of the Bible are anything more than ancient dogma scripted decades after the wildly exaggerated events and crafted around gross hyperbole into a giant global corporation basing its success entirely on the stupidity of the average human...

:nod:

THAT ^ is Christianity circa 2015 my friend (and good luck with that)

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kalm wrote:
89Hen wrote: Would you care to link all your posts that cast a positive light on religion? I sure can post dozens that don't.

I'm not neutral on politics or religion, I have no problem admitting that. You on the other hand seem to want to pretend.
Meh. Man rescues cat.

My post topics don't define my beliefs. :coffee:
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Re: Conservatism + Religiosity = Fail?

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Chizzang wrote:
89Hen wrote: Would you care to link all your posts that cast a positive light on religion? I sure can post dozens that don't.

I'm not neutral on politics or religion, I have no problem admitting that. You on the other hand seem to want to pretend.
I'm not neutral on Religion
NO?! That comes as a shock. :lol: :kisswink:
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Re: Conservatism + Religiosity = Fail?

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GannonFan wrote:
Chizzang wrote:
I'm not neutral on Religion
I will tell you right to your face that if you think the books of the Bible are anything more than ancient dogma scripted decades after the wildly exaggerated events and crafted around gross hyperbole into a giant global corporation basing its success entirely on the stupidity of the average human...

:nod:

THAT ^ is Christianity circa 2015 my friend (and good luck with that)

:kisswink: Hugs
I'm sure God still loves you. :thumb:
And cleverly ^ isn't that really just the point...
Whatever "God" is or is not - the "evidence" here on earth is equally slanted towards "God is a monster" as it is "God is all loving"...

But pretending to know what God wants should be a jail sentence in the real world
15 years in Federal Prison for pretending You know what God wants
Like pretending to be a Doctor or Pretending to be a Federal Agent - its dishonest at the highest level

:nod:
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Re: Conservatism + Religiosity = Fail?

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Chizzang wrote:
GannonFan wrote:
I'm sure God still loves you. :thumb:
And cleverly ^ isn't that really just the point...
Whatever "God" is or is not - the "evidence" here on earth is equally slanted towards "God is a monster" as it is "God is all loving"...

But pretending to know what God wants should be a jail sentence in the real world
15 years in Federal Prison for pretending You know what God wants

:nod:
Chizz, we're already established you are not neutral, you can stop now. :lol:
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Re: Conservatism + Religiosity = Fail?

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89Hen wrote:
Chizzang wrote:
And cleverly ^ isn't that really just the point...
Whatever "God" is or is not - the "evidence" here on earth is equally slanted towards "God is a monster" as it is "God is all loving"...

But pretending to know what God wants should be a jail sentence in the real world
15 years in Federal Prison for pretending You know what God wants

:nod:
Chizz, we're already established you are not neutral, you can stop now. :lol:
Dude..!!!
Somebody said "Smug Prick" and I said "Hit the lights baby I'm on.."

:rofl:

It's prime time for me...
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Re: Conservatism + Religiosity = Fail?

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Chizzang wrote:
GannonFan wrote:
I'm sure God still loves you. :thumb:
And cleverly ^ isn't that really just the point...
Whatever "God" is or is not - the "evidence" here on earth is equally slanted towards "God is a monster" as it is "God is all loving"...

But pretending to know what God wants should be a jail sentence in the real world
15 years in Federal Prison for pretending You know what God wants
Like pretending to be a Doctor or Pretending to be a Federal Agent - its dishonest at the highest level

:nod:
Prison sentences for religious beliefs, interesting choice. Might be tough to get that amendment passed through. :rofl:
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Re: Conservatism + Religiosity = Fail?

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GannonFan wrote:
Chizzang wrote:
And cleverly ^ isn't that really just the point...
Whatever "God" is or is not - the "evidence" here on earth is equally slanted towards "God is a monster" as it is "God is all loving"...

But pretending to know what God wants should be a jail sentence in the real world
15 years in Federal Prison for pretending You know what God wants
Like pretending to be a Doctor or Pretending to be a Federal Agent - its dishonest at the highest level

:nod:
Prison sentences for religious beliefs, interesting choice. Might be tough to get that amendment passed through. :rofl:
Think about it... Distinctly NOT RELIGIOUS BELIEFS
but pretending to know something you cannot know
and thus affecting the lives of others - god told me he'd heal your cancer (for $1500 donation)

How serious is it to pretend you're a doctor or a Police officer ..?

:nod:

Pretending to know what God wants has effectively changed the course of human history
and not in a good way
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Re: Conservatism + Religiosity = Fail?

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Pwns wrote:Oh look, another example of someone thinking they're clever posting color-coded maps and showing social and economic problems being higher in southern states.

There's no need for a drawn-out JSO answer. It's called the Ecological Fallacy. There is no uniform distribution across states of age, denomination, race, and other factors like that. You have to make corrections for demographics or comparisons aren't useful.

Or is the point of the article in the OP to show that places with more of the less evolved darkies have more social problems? :lol:
So it's just like that thread with the useless "upper class and middle class" income level. Another kalm troll thread. :lol:
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Re: Conservatism + Religiosity = Fail?

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Chizzang wrote:
GannonFan wrote:
Prison sentences for religious beliefs, interesting choice. Might be tough to get that amendment passed through. :rofl:
Think about it... Distinctly NOT RELIGIOUS BELIEFS
but pretending to know something you cannot know
and thus affecting the lives of others - god told me he'd heal your cancer (for $1500 donation)

How serious is it to pretend you're a doctor or a Police officer ..?

:nod:

Pretending to know what God wants has effectively changed the course of human history
and not in a good way
So acting out on your religious beliefs, in any way that could affect the lives of others, would be punishable by jail? Where does the line get drawn? It's easy to bring up someone having someone else fork over thousands of dollars for a supposed promise from God. How about building a church in a neighborhood, is that too much of an impact on people's lives who live in the neighborhood? How about a church ringing church bells during the day? Jail time for that? How about people putting Christmas displays on their yard? Jail time for that? Where do you draw the line for allowable acting out on a religious belief and not allowable?

Human beings have changed the course of human history, and not in a good way (sometimes, although many times in a good way too, but you seem to be quite the negative type). Religion is a tool for that, nothing more.
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Re: Conservatism + Religiosity = Fail?

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GannonFan wrote:
Chizzang wrote:
Think about it... Distinctly NOT RELIGIOUS BELIEFS
but pretending to know something you cannot know
and thus affecting the lives of others - god told me he'd heal your cancer (for $1500 donation)

How serious is it to pretend you're a doctor or a Police officer ..?

:nod:

Pretending to know what God wants has effectively changed the course of human history
and not in a good way
So acting out on your religious beliefs, in any way that could affect the lives of others, would be punishable by jail? Where does the line get drawn? It's easy to bring up someone having someone else fork over thousands of dollars for a supposed promise from God. How about building a church in a neighborhood, is that too much of an impact on people's lives who live in the neighborhood? How about a church ringing church bells during the day? Jail time for that? How about people putting Christmas displays on their yard? Jail time for that? Where do you draw the line for allowable acting out on a religious belief and not allowable?

Human beings have changed the course of human history, and not in a good way (sometimes, although many times in a good way too, but you seem to be quite the negative type). Religion is a tool for that, nothing more.
Which is ^ precisely why the overt fraud that has been perpetrated on humanity
for the last some thousands of years hides right in front of our faces - because we "honor" fraud
Fraud in the name of something sacred

To me that is the highest order of deceit - the deepest level of depravity
At least Wall Street and British Petroleum tell your their motives as they steal from you

:notworthy:

All any Atheist or someone like me who loves the idea of God
Wants manufactured Religion to admit is just the truth - which is - that they don't know

:ohno:

But "I don;t know" doesn't make much money or control the minds of the feeble
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Chizzang wrote: Think about it... Distinctly NOT RELIGIOUS BELIEFS
but pretending to know something you cannot know
and thus affecting the lives of others - god told me he'd heal your cancer (for $1500 donation)

How serious is it to pretend you're a doctor or a Police officer ..?

:nod:

Pretending to know what God wants has effectively changed the course of human history
and not in a good way
You are stretching things to fit your narrative. :ohno: :ohno:
It is easy to prove whether a person is a doctor or lawyer.
It is not easy to prove, or disprove, whether someone knows what God wants.
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CAA Flagship wrote:
Chizzang wrote: Think about it... Distinctly NOT RELIGIOUS BELIEFS
but pretending to know something you cannot know
and thus affecting the lives of others - god told me he'd heal your cancer (for $1500 donation)

How serious is it to pretend you're a doctor or a Police officer ..?

:nod:

Pretending to know what God wants has effectively changed the course of human history
and not in a good way
You are stretching things to fit your narrative. :ohno: :ohno:
It is easy to prove whether a person is a doctor or lawyer.
It is not easy to prove, or disprove, whether someone knows what God wants.
No, it's actually pretty much impossible for some to prove that THEY and they alone know what God wants.

But I'm sure that preacher down south who convinced his congregation that Jesus wanted him to have a new Gulfstream made a compelling case. :coffee:
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Grizalltheway wrote:
CAA Flagship wrote: You are stretching things to fit your narrative. :ohno: :ohno:
It is easy to prove whether a person is a doctor or lawyer.
It is not easy to prove, or disprove, whether someone knows what God wants.
No, it's actually pretty much impossible for some to prove that THEY and they alone know what God wants.

But I'm sure that preacher down south who convinced his congregation that Jesus wanted him to have a new Gulfstream made a compelling case. :coffee:
But Gulfstreams are cool. :thumb:
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Chizzang wrote:
GannonFan wrote:
So acting out on your religious beliefs, in any way that could affect the lives of others, would be punishable by jail? Where does the line get drawn? It's easy to bring up someone having someone else fork over thousands of dollars for a supposed promise from God. How about building a church in a neighborhood, is that too much of an impact on people's lives who live in the neighborhood? How about a church ringing church bells during the day? Jail time for that? How about people putting Christmas displays on their yard? Jail time for that? Where do you draw the line for allowable acting out on a religious belief and not allowable?

Human beings have changed the course of human history, and not in a good way (sometimes, although many times in a good way too, but you seem to be quite the negative type). Religion is a tool for that, nothing more.
Which is ^ precisely why the overt fraud that has been perpetrated on humanity
for the last some thousands of years hides right in front of our faces - because we "honor" fraud
Fraud in the name of something sacred

To me that is the highest order of deceit - the deepest level of depravity
At least Wall Street and British Petroleum tell your their motives as they steal from you

:notworthy:

All any Atheist or someone like me who loves the idea of God
Wants manufactured Religion to admit is just the truth - which is - that they don't know

:ohno:

But "I don;t know" doesn't make much money or control the minds of the feeble
So now businesses are in on it too, they just "steal", they don't provide any goods or services? Yikes, even regular cynicism would be an optimistic view of things compared to your outlook on things. I think plenty of religious people, at the root of it, don't "know". That's what faith is, believing without the hard evidence to surely, without question, "know".
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SDHornet wrote:
Pwns wrote:Oh look, another example of someone thinking they're clever posting color-coded maps and showing social and economic problems being higher in southern states.

There's no need for a drawn-out JSO answer. It's called the Ecological Fallacy. There is no uniform distribution across states of age, denomination, race, and other factors like that. You have to make corrections for demographics or comparisons aren't useful.

Or is the point of the article in the OP to show that places with more of the less evolved darkies have more social problems? :lol:
So it's just like that thread with the useless "upper class and middle class" income level. Another kalm troll thread. :lol:
I would have acknowledged PWNS intriguing point but just like partisanship and religious identity, I've also risen above racialism. :tothehand:
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Chizzang wrote:
89Hen wrote: Chizz, we're already established you are not neutral, you can stop now. :lol:
Dude..!!!
Somebody said "Smug Prick" and I said "Hit the lights baby I'm on.."

:rofl:

It's prime time for me...
This is still cracking me the fuck up!

:lol:
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kalm wrote:
Chizzang wrote:
Dude..!!!
Somebody said "Smug Prick" and I said "Hit the lights baby I'm on.."

:rofl:

It's prime time for me...
This is still cracking me the fuck up!

:lol:
You crafted an entire thread for my pet stage show
God Bless you - you magnificent bastard

Its a role I was born to play
Like Julie Andrews in the Sound of Music or Judy Garland in Wizard of Oz
I am "Smug Prick" starring in Random Religious thread

:nod:

and the usual dullards have been serving up softballs - its glorious
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kalm wrote:
SDHornet wrote: So it's just like that thread with the useless "upper class and middle class" income level. Another kalm troll thread. :lol:
I would have acknowledged PWNS intriguing point but just like partisanship and religious identity, I've also risen above racialism. :tothehand:
Especially when it destroys your narrative. :lol:

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Chizzang wrote:
kalm wrote:
This is still cracking me the fuck up!

:lol:
You crafted an entire thread for my pet stage show
God Bless you - you magnificent bastard

Its a role I was born to play
Like Julie Andrews in the Sound of Music or Judy Garland in Wizard of Oz
I am "Smug Prick" starring in Random Religious thread

:nod:

and the usual dullards have been serving up softballs - its glorious
More like Bambi Woods in Debbie Does Dallas. :coffee:
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CAA Flagship wrote:
Chizzang wrote:
You crafted an entire thread for my pet stage show
God Bless you - you magnificent bastard

Its a role I was born to play
Like Julie Andrews in the Sound of Music or Judy Garland in Wizard of Oz
I am "Smug Prick" starring in Random Religious thread

:nod:

and the usual dullards have been serving up softballs - its glorious
More like Bambi Woods in Debbie Does Dallas. :coffee:
Okay
Sure, you say potato I say Po-Tah-to

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Baldy wrote:
kalm wrote:
I would have acknowledged PWNS intriguing point but just like partisanship and religious identity, I've also risen above racialism. :tothehand:
Especially when it destroys your narrative. :lol:

:nod:
Not at all. I think it's time for southern christian conservatives to finally let loose the shackles of demographics as excuses for their standing!

:lol:
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kalm wrote:
Baldy wrote: Especially when it destroys your narrative. :lol:

:nod:
Not at all. I think it's time for southern christian conservatives to finally let loose the shackles of demographics as excuses for their standing!

:lol:
Indeed,
Demographics is never allowable when discussing ISLAM
but perfectly acceptable when discussing Christianity

Curious... :coffee:
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Can't comment on all the data. But I did look at the High School graduation rates by County in North Carolina, since I actually know the state fairly well. Amazingly enough, those with the higher graduation rates are more often than not those with Democratic majorities. Obviously this data is flawed. :nod:
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Chizzang wrote:
kalm wrote:
Not at all. I think it's time for southern christian conservatives to finally let loose the shackles of demographics as excuses for their standing!

:lol:
Indeed,
Demographics is never allowable when discussing ISLAM
but perfectly acceptable when discussing Christianity

Curious... :coffee:
You and kalm :lol:

Hint:
Read and understand the nuance in AshevilleApps response above. :nod:
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