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No more than the 20 embassy/consulate attacks under Bush were an event in your world :thumb:
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13 listed. 60 deaths.

It doesn't include numerous mortar attacks on the embassy in Iraq... because they're not included in the terrorism database.
January 22, 2002. Calcutta, India. Gunmen associated with Harkat-ul-Jihad al-Islami attack the U.S. Consulate. Five people are killed.

June 14, 2002. Karachi, Pakistan. Suicide bomber connected with al-Qaida attacks the U.S. Consulate, killing 12 and injuring 51.

October 12, 2002. Denpasar, Indonesia. U.S. diplomatic offices bombed as part of a string of “Bali Bombings.” No fatalities.

February 28, 2003. Islamabad, Pakistan. Several gunmen fire upon the U.S. Embassy. Two people are killed.

May 12, 2003. Riyadh, Saudi Arabia. Armed al-Qaida terrorists storm the diplomatic compound killing 36 people including nine Americans. The assailants committed suicide by detonating a truck bomb.

July 30, 2004. Tashkent, Uzbekistan. A suicide bomber from the Islamic Movement of Uzbekistan attacks the U.S. Embassy, killing two people.

December 6, 2004. Jeddah, Saudi Arabia. Al-Qaida terrorists storm the U.S. Consulate and occupy the perimeter wall. Nine people are killed.

March 2, 2006. Karachi, Pakistan again. Suicide bomber attacks the U.S. Consulate killing four people, including U.S. diplomat David Foy who was directly targeted by the attackers.

September 12, 2006. Damascus, Syria. Four armed gunmen shouting “Allahu akbar” storm the U.S. Embassy using grenades, automatic weapons, a car bomb and a truck bomb. Four people are killed, 13 are wounded.

January 12, 2007. Athens, Greece. Members of a Greek terrorist group called the Revolutionary Struggle fire a rocket-propelled grenade at the U.S. Embassy. No fatalities.

March 18, 2008. Sana’a, Yemen. Members of the al-Qaida-linked Islamic Jihad of Yemen fire a mortar at the U.S. Embassy. The shot misses the embassy, but hits nearby school killing two.

July 9, 2008. Istanbul, Turkey. Four armed terrorists attack the U.S. Consulate. Six people are killed.

September 17, 2008. Sana’a, Yemen. Terrorists dressed as military officials attack the U.S. Embassy with an arsenal of weapons including RPGs and detonate two car bombs. Sixteen people are killed, including an American student and her husband (they had been married for three weeks when the attack occurred). This is the second attack on this embassy in seven months.
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Re: Bowe Bergdahl...

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Skjellyfetti wrote:
BDKJMU wrote:
Link?
Here's a handout, freeloader.

13 listed. 60 deaths.

It doesn't include numerous mortar attacks on the embassy in Iraq... because they're not included in the terrorism database.
January 22, 2002. Calcutta, India. Gunmen associated with Harkat-ul-Jihad al-Islami attack the U.S. Consulate. Five people are killed.

June 14, 2002. Karachi, Pakistan. Suicide bomber connected with al-Qaida attacks the U.S. Consulate, killing 12 and injuring 51.

October 12, 2002. Denpasar, Indonesia. U.S. diplomatic offices bombed as part of a string of “Bali Bombings.” No fatalities.

February 28, 2003. Islamabad, Pakistan. Several gunmen fire upon the U.S. Embassy. Two people are killed.

May 12, 2003. Riyadh, Saudi Arabia. Armed al-Qaida terrorists storm the diplomatic compound killing 36 people including nine Americans. The assailants committed suicide by detonating a truck bomb.

July 30, 2004. Tashkent, Uzbekistan. A suicide bomber from the Islamic Movement of Uzbekistan attacks the U.S. Embassy, killing two people.

December 6, 2004. Jeddah, Saudi Arabia. Al-Qaida terrorists storm the U.S. Consulate and occupy the perimeter wall. Nine people are killed.

March 2, 2006. Karachi, Pakistan again. Suicide bomber attacks the U.S. Consulate killing four people, including U.S. diplomat David Foy who was directly targeted by the attackers.

September 12, 2006. Damascus, Syria. Four armed gunmen shouting “Allahu akbar” storm the U.S. Embassy using grenades, automatic weapons, a car bomb and a truck bomb. Four people are killed, 13 are wounded.

January 12, 2007. Athens, Greece. Members of a Greek terrorist group called the Revolutionary Struggle fire a rocket-propelled grenade at the U.S. Embassy. No fatalities.

March 18, 2008. Sana’a, Yemen. Members of the al-Qaida-linked Islamic Jihad of Yemen fire a mortar at the U.S. Embassy. The shot misses the embassy, but hits nearby school killing two.

July 9, 2008. Istanbul, Turkey. Four armed terrorists attack the U.S. Consulate. Six people are killed.

September 17, 2008. Sana’a, Yemen. Terrorists dressed as military officials attack the U.S. Embassy with an arsenal of weapons including RPGs and detonate two car bombs. Sixteen people are killed, including an American student and her husband (they had been married for three weeks when the attack occurred). This is the second attack on this embassy in seven months.
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Jellydonut, do you have a list of the embassy attacks the the Bush Administration attempted to cover up?
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travelinman67 wrote:
Skjellyfetti wrote:
Here's a handout, freeloader.

13 listed. 60 deaths.

It doesn't include numerous mortar attacks on the embassy in Iraq... because they're not included in the terrorism database.



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Jellydonut, do you have a list of the embassy attacks the the Bush Administration attempted to cover up?
This is where a lot of people miss the point- and then try to deflect by saying there were more attacks on our missions on Bush's watch.

Embassies and Consulates get attacked- this isn't new. The problem with Benghazi is that in the eve of a national election, the cause of the attack was intentionally spun and manipulated to protect the foreign policy narrative that our fumbling in that region was actually a success. The attack had nothing at all to do with the fact that we had created another failed state in the name of "democracy"- it was all about something totally out of the administration's control- namely, a video.

Continuing to parrot the "they attacked us under Bush too" meme is ignorant in the extreme
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Obama promised the most transparent administration ever. Since was elected twice, it is inconceivable that his administration would cover up attacks on embassies for political gain when the cowboy W did not. :coffee:
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So, apparently everything we've heard about this case was rumor and innuendo.

No soldiers died trying to rescue Bergdahl.

Influenced by Ayn Rand. Craved combat and frustrated that his platoon wasn't more aggressive.

Chief investigator does not believe he deserves jail time.


Certainly the guy had issues. But, I'm not surprised at all it seems that Conks worked overtime to slander a POW suffering from mental issues. :?


SAN ANTONIO—The Army major general who led the military’s investigation into Sgt. Bowe Bergdahl testified Friday that he didn’t believe the soldier should be jailed for allegedly deserting his post in Afghanistan.

Maj. Gen. Kenneth Dahl, who was called by Sgt. Bergdahl’s defense, offered his testimony during the second and final day of a military hearing at an Army base here that will determine whether Sgt. Bergdahl should face a court-martial for desertion and other misconduct.

Gen. Dahl said that Sgt. Bergdahl was naive and disenchanted about his time in the Army, and was seeking to draw attention to himself when he snuck away from his unit in 2009, spurring a massive rescue mission. But he said a prison sentence wouldn’t be appropriate for what occurred.

Sgt. Bergdahl was eventually returned to the U.S. in a controversial prisoner swap in 2014 after being held captive by the Taliban for nearly five years.

“I do not believe there is a jail sentence at the end of this process,” Gen. Dahl said.

The testimony represented the first time Gen. Dahl has spoken publicly about his investigation, which lasted 60 days. His account cast a fresh light on Sgt. Bergdahl’s case, which has long been shrouded in secrecy.

In addition to desertion, which carries a five-year sentence, Sgt. Bergdahl is charged with misbehavior before the enemy, which could lead to life in prison if convicted.

Lt. Colonel Mark Visger, who oversaw this week’s hearing, will give a recommendation on whether Sgt. Bergdahl should be court-martialed. Gen. Robert Abrams, who heads Army Forces Command at Fort Bragg, N.C., will then determine how to proceed.

Gen. Dahl described Sgt. Bergdahl as deeply idealistic, influenced by the author Ayn Rand and Samurai culture, and a loner of sorts who was also an exemplary soldier.

But Sgt. Bergdahl craved combat and was frustrated that his platoon wasn’t being more aggressive, and he wanted it to spend more time capturing and killing Taliban, Gen. Dahl said.

He said Sgt. Bergdahl eventually grew so upset that he hatched a bizarre plan to leave his unit in a remote outpost in Afghanistan and run some 19 miles through the night to a base in the hopes that the ensuing rescue mission would draw the attention of a general.

“He would present himself and say ‘I’m the guy you’re looking for, and I’m not saying anything until I talk to the general,’ ” Gen. Dahl said.

Sometime between June 29 and June 30, he walked away from his unit and into the darkness, leaving his guns behind and taking with him only water, Afghan currency and traditional Afghan clothing. Eight to ten hours later, however, Sgt. Bergdahl was captured by the Taliban.

“I got the impression they didn’t know what the heck to do with him,” Gen. Dahl said.

Throughout the two-day hearing, prosecutors sought to portray Sgt. Bergdahl as motivated by selfishness. And several of his commanders told of the furious high-risk search and rescue missions that ensued after he disappeared, efforts they said left troops mentally and physically haggard.

In her closing statement on Friday, Maj. Margaret Kurz said Sgt. Bergdahl’s disappearance had changed the mission of American forces in Afghanistan. While acknowledging he had suffered while in captivity, she said he still needed to be held responsible for breaking Army rules.

“The accused’s motive, while interesting, is legally irrelevant,” she said.

Still, Gen. Dahl’s testimony that he didn’t believe jail time was warranted appeared to undermine prosecution arguments that Sgt. Bergdahl should face serious punishment. Contrary to some reports, he said, no soldiers were killed searching for Sgt. Bergdahl, and he said he believed that the soldier was being truthful during a lengthy interview conducted with him as part of the Army’s investigation.

On Friday, one of Sgt. Bergdahl’s sergeants, Gregory Leatherman, testified that many fellow soldiers believed Sgt. Bergdahl was the best solider in their unit.

But Mr. Leatherman said Sgt. Bergdahl was also growing increasingly detached while in Afghanistan. When Mr. Leatherman reported those concerns to a superior officer, he said, they were ignored.

The final defense witness, Terrence Russell, who interviews prisoners of war for the military and assessed Sgt. Bergdahl upon his release from captivity, said Sgt. Bergdahl had been subjected to some of the most horrific torture any American soldier had suffered since the Vietnam War. That abuse included beatings and starvation that left Sgt. Bergdahl near death, he said.

“Bowe Bergdahl has been accused of many, many things,” said Mr. Russell. “But you cannot accuse him of a lack of resistance in captivity and his willingness to serve his country.”

In his closing statement, Sgt. Bergdahl’s lawyer, Eugene Fidell, argued that there was only enough probable cause to charge his client with one day’s worth of AWOL, the amount of time he was away from his unit before being captured.
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Announced today:

"Bergdahl to Face Desertion Charge in General Court-Martial

Army Sgt. Bowe Bergdahl, who was held captive by the Taliban for five years and freed in exchange for five detainees in Guantanamo Bay, will face charges of desertion and misbehavior before the enemy in a general court-martial, the Army announced on Monday.

If convicted, Bergdahl could get life in prison on the misbehavior charge and up to five years for desertion. He also could be dishonorably discharged, reduced in rank and made to forfeit all pay....."
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BDKJMU wrote:Announced today:

"Bergdahl to Face Desertion Charge in General Court-Martial

Army Sgt. Bowe Bergdahl, who was held captive by the Taliban for five years and freed in exchange for five detainees in Guantanamo Bay, will face charges of desertion and misbehavior before the enemy in a general court-martial, the Army announced on Monday.

If convicted, Bergdahl could get life in prison on the misbehavior charge and up to five years for desertion. He also could be dishonorably discharged, reduced in rank and made to forfeit all pay....."
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This should be interesting, usually a General's word carries some weight.
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Re-reading this thread makes me miss T-Man. Wish we could exchange Bergdahl for him...
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LeadBolt wrote:Re-reading this thread makes me miss T-Man. Wish we could exchange Bergdahl for him...
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I would love to see his meltdowns again
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Why isn't Berhdahl swinging from a rope in downtown Washington DC right now..?

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Chizzang wrote:Why isn't Berhdahl swinging from a rope in downtown Washington DC right now..?

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Cause it turns out he is a Republican.
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dbackjon wrote:
LeadBolt wrote:Re-reading this thread makes me miss T-Man. Wish we could exchange Bergdahl for him...
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I would love to see his meltdowns again
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Big Ayn Rand fan. :coffee:
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SDHornet wrote:
dbackjon wrote:
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I would love to see his meltdowns again
It's all good, we still have houndy to take the internet beat downs on this board.
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