The Problem with Holy Books

[dbackjon]

Well that wraps it up Cleets knows all. And also looks down on everyone from his perch on Mt Rainer.

Mt. Rainier


Or Tahoma.

[Grizalltheway]

*Tacoma

[kalm]

*Tacoma

[kalm]

Well that wraps it up Cleets knows all. And also looks down on everyone from his perch on Mt Rainer.

Like you, 89, and Pagans/Unitarians?

[Grizalltheway]

*Tacoma

Tahomo?

[Chizzang]

Well that wraps it up Cleets knows all. And also looks down on everyone from his perch on Mt Rainer.

Why would you take anything I say personally..?
If you truly believe what you believe my beliefs are meaningless

But
The idea that any one person knows more about God than any other person is pure fantasy
And
What specifically (besides my smug prick attitude) about my post do you disagree with exactly ..?

[andy7171]

Your smug prick attitude.

[JohnStOnge]

D1B, the references to things such as "until all is accomplished" and "all has taken place" are references to the crucifixion and resurrection. You can figure it out from there.

And you have stuff like this:

John 8:3-11English Standard Version (ESV)

3 The scribes and the Pharisees brought a woman who had been caught in adultery, and placing her in the midst 4 they said to him, “Teacher, this woman has been caught in the act of adultery. 5 Now in the Law Moses commanded us to stone such women. So what do you say?” 6 This they said to test him, that they might have some charge to bring against him. Jesus bent down and wrote with his finger on the ground. 7 And as they continued to ask him, he stood up and said to them, “Let him who is without sin among you be the first to throw a stone at her.” 8 And once more he bent down and wrote on the ground. 9 But when they heard it, they went away one by one, beginning with the older ones, and Jesus was left alone with the woman standing before him. 10 Jesus stood up and said to her, “Woman, where are they? Has no one condemned you?” 11 She said, “No one, Lord.” And Jesus said, “Neither do I condemn you; go, and from now on sin no more.”]]

Nice try. But your effort is a fail. If somebody reads the New Testament thinking it's an instructions manual, they're going to be pacifist. They're not going to do things like cut people's heads off if they don't accept Christianity. And they're not going to do things like, for example, stone women for committing adultery.

[Chizzang]

Your smug prick attitude.

I get that a lot around here...

[andy7171]

Your smug prick attitude.

I get that a lot around here...

...also that picture of you camping and your guitar.

[CAA Flagship]

I get that a lot around here...

...also that picture of you camping and your guitar.

[Chizzang]

Smug Prick is my default nature... (ask Ursus)
It would be dishonest to artificially take on some other attitude or demeanor


true story

[Wedgebuster]

Watching this thread has been Hilarious...
Firstly Religions are handed down like table manners or bad teeth
Most people come by their Religion honestly - it was given to them
I was raised Episcopal (Catholics who forgot their Latin and admitted some priests were gay)
I'm lucky because its a kind of Hippie Catholicism
That's easy to walk away from when you start thinking for yourself
Our Pastor encouraged me to "Love and do what I will" straight from St. Augustine hippie teachings
When I asked questions he couldn't answer he said I should look elsewhere

Telling you what God is thinking
Telling you what God is doing
Telling you what God wants
Telling you what God has done
Telling you what God will do

If you're the kind of person that needs somebody else to define what God is and what God wants
Then good luck and choose wisely... But that is essentially what Religion is at its core

Religion is = Defining God in Human Terms
And I'm not interested in that because NOBODY KNOWS MORE ABOUT GOD THAN ME...
and that's just a FACT

Well I'm with you fellers..

[Skjellyfetti]

Watching this thread has been Hilarious...
Firstly Religions are handed down like table manners or bad teeth
Most people come by their Religion honestly - it was given to them
I was raised Episcopal (Catholics who forgot their Latin and admitted some priests were gay)
I'm lucky because its a kind of Hippie Catholicism
That's easy to walk away from when you start thinking for yourself
Our Pastor encouraged me to "Love and do what I will" straight from St. Augustine hippie teachings
When I asked questions he couldn't answer he said I should look elsewhere

Telling you what God is thinking
Telling you what God is doing
Telling you what God wants
Telling you what God has done
Telling you what God will do

If you're the kind of person that needs somebody else to define what God is and what God wants
Then good luck and choose wisely... But that is essentially what Religion is at its core

Religion is = Defining God in Human Terms
And I'm not interested in that because NOBODY KNOWS MORE ABOUT GOD THAN ME...
and that's just a FACT

The most dangerous man in the world is the contemplative who is guided by nobody. He trusts his own visions. He obeys the attractions of an interior voice but will not listen to other men. He identifies the will of God with anything... that makes him feel, within his own heart, a big, warm, sweet, interior glow. The sweeter and warmer the feeling is, the more he is convinced of his own infallibility.

[D1B]

D1B, the references to things such as "until all is accomplished" and "all has taken place" are references to the crucifixion and resurrection. You can figure it out from there.

And you have stuff like this:

John 8:3-11English Standard Version (ESV)

3 The scribes and the Pharisees brought a woman who had been caught in adultery, and placing her in the midst 4 they said to him, “Teacher, this woman has been caught in the act of adultery. 5 Now in the Law Moses commanded us to stone such women. So what do you say?” 6 This they said to test him, that they might have some charge to bring against him. Jesus bent down and wrote with his finger on the ground. 7 And as they continued to ask him, he stood up and said to them, “Let him who is without sin among you be the first to throw a stone at her.” 8 And once more he bent down and wrote on the ground. 9 But when they heard it, they went away one by one, beginning with the older ones, and Jesus was left alone with the woman standing before him. 10 Jesus stood up and said to her, “Woman, where are they? Has no one condemned you?” 11 She said, “No one, Lord.” And Jesus said, “Neither do I condemn you; go, and from now on sin no more.”]]

Nice try. But your effort is a fail. If somebody reads the New Testament thinking it's an instructions manual, they're going to be pacifist. They're not going to do things like cut people's heads off if they don't accept Christianity. And they're not going to do things like, for example, stone women for committing adultery.

Uh, wronge again.

[kalm]

Watching this thread has been Hilarious...
Firstly Religions are handed down like table manners or bad teeth
Most people come by their Religion honestly - it was given to them
I was raised Episcopal (Catholics who forgot their Latin and admitted some priests were gay)
I'm lucky because its a kind of Hippie Catholicism
That's easy to walk away from when you start thinking for yourself
Our Pastor encouraged me to "Love and do what I will" straight from St. Augustine hippie teachings
When I asked questions he couldn't answer he said I should look elsewhere

Telling you what God is thinking
Telling you what God is doing
Telling you what God wants
Telling you what God has done
Telling you what God will do

If you're the kind of person that needs somebody else to define what God is and what God wants
Then good luck and choose wisely... But that is essentially what Religion is at its core

Religion is = Defining God in Human Terms
And I'm not interested in that because NOBODY KNOWS MORE ABOUT GOD THAN ME...
and that's just a FACT

The most dangerous man in the world is the contemplative who is guided by nobody. He trusts his own visions. He obeys the attractions of an interior voice but will not listen to other men. He identifies the will of God with anything... that makes him feel, within his own heart, a big, warm, sweet, interior glow. The sweeter and warmer the feeling is, the more he is convinced of his own infallibility.

That's an overly presumptive quote that doesn't make much sense.

[Chizzang]

That's an overly presumptive quote that doesn't make much sense.

I kinda liked it...
It made me imagine myself as possibly the most dangerous man alive
I'm actually about as dangerous as a half flat bag of cool ranch Cheeto's but that's besides the point

[CAA Flagship]

That's an overly presumptive quote that doesn't make much sense.

I kinda liked it...
It made me imagine myself as possibly the most dangerous man alive
I'm actually about as dangerous as a half flat bag of cool ranch Cheeto's but that's besides the point

If there is gluten in those Cheetos, it can be VERY dangerous to some people.

[kalm]

I kinda liked it...
It made me imagine myself as possibly the most dangerous man alive
I'm actually about as dangerous as a half flat bag of cool ranch Cheeto's but that's besides the point

If there is gluten in those Cheetos, it can be VERY dangerous to some people.

Ummmm...."Cool Ranch" is Doritos flavor you dorks.

And Cheetos are delicious!

[Grizalltheway]

If there is gluten in those Cheetos, it can be VERY dangerous to some people.

Ummmm...."Cool Ranch" is Doritos flavor you dorks.

And Cheetos are delicious!

I wish they would take these out of the vending machine at work. I can never resist the temptation.

[dbackjon]

*Tacoma

Dumb Montanadians...

[Grizalltheway]

You're the one who can't spell Tacoma, dummie!

[andy7171]

If there is gluten in those Cheetos, it can be VERY dangerous to some people.

Ummmm...."Cool Ranch" is Doritos flavor you dorks.

And Cheetos are delicious!

Oh snap! You mentioned Doritos! If bandle was around, he'd shit all over this thread! They almost killed him you know?

[kalm]

You're the one who can't spell Tacoma, dummie!

I was googling an image of the mountain and came across this pic of Stadium High in Tacoma instead. You're welcome for sharing.

[dbackjon]

You're the one who can't spell Tacoma, dummie!

You are the one that doesn't know that the local natives had many names for the mountain, with Tahoma being the most prevalent.

Go swim with Nessie