Why Does Obama Say This........

[YoUDeeMan]

There are still a few differences between crony capitalism and China's authoritarianism.

I sincerely hope Cluck doesn't actually think China is a communist nation..?
In the same way Cuba was communist I guess and Saudi Arabia is democratic republic then too right..?

The only thing that's "communist" about China is the handbook

I think you have it backwards...kalm (and his author friend) is not recognizing the similarities between Obama and the modern Chinkish way of governing.

Follow the money.

[kalm]

I sincerely hope Cluck doesn't actually think China is a communist nation..?
In the same way Cuba was communist I guess and Saudi Arabia is democratic republic then too right..?

The only thing that's "communist" about China is the handbook

I think you have it backwards...kalm (and his author friend) is not recognizing the similarities between Obama and the modern Chinkish way of governing.

Follow the money.

You missed the implied civil liberties part then. (And yes, Obama's no saint there either)

[YoUDeeMan]

I think you have it backwards...kalm (and his author friend) is not recognizing the similarities between Obama and the modern Chinkish way of governing.

Follow the money.

You missed the implied civil liberties part then. (And yes, Obama's no saint there either)

No, I didn't. NSA, FBI, IRS, clamping down on the free press, murdering American citizens overseas without trial, assassinating and deposing world leaders on his word alone, redefining the word, "civilian" in drone attacks...I could go on.

Oh wait...he had an epiphany (when he saw the voting trend) about gay marriage. My bad...yeah, he is no China.

[kalm]

You missed the implied civil liberties part then. (And yes, Obama's no saint there either)

No, I didn't. NSA, FBI, IRS, clamping down on the free press, murdering American citizens overseas without trial, assassinating and deposing world leaders on his word alone, redefining the word, "civilian" in drone attacks...I could go on.

Oh wait...he had an epiphany (when he saw the voting trend) about gay marriage. My bad...yeah, he is no China.

I could have written that myself.

I'm sure Obama think himself a civil libertarian like the Republican Party envisions itself as low spending.

We are still not China...yet.

[Ibanez]

You missed the implied civil liberties part then. (And yes, Obama's no saint there either)

No, I didn't. NSA, FBI, IRS, clamping down on the free press, murdering American citizens overseas without trial, assassinating and deposing world leaders on his word alone, redefining the word, "civilian" in drone attacks...I could go on.

Oh wait...he had an epiphany (when he saw the voting trend) about gay marriage. My bad...yeah, he is no China.

Democrats evolve.

Republicans flip-flop.

[CAA Flagship]

Democrats revolve.

[JohnStOnge]

How many ISIS supporters do you think there are, JSO?

There are roughly 2 billion muslims in the world.

You need to get into the realm of ISIS = "tens of millions" of people for ISIS to not be a "tiny fraction."

Not even to mention the fact that their biggest enemies and most of their fighting is against other Muslims.

I don't know how many supporters of ISIS there are. But I think the idea that only a "tiny fraction" of Muslims support some of the central tenets they hold is very questionable.

Like take a look at this poll for instance:

https://www.centerforsecuritypolicy.org ... iah-jihad/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

I don't think I need to discuss the specifics. You can read them yourself. And that is a poll of Muslims living in the United States. I think it's reasonable to suspect that the picture is "worse" among Muslims world wide.

People just say that crap like "Islam is a religion of peace" and "they're just a small minority perverting a great religion" as though it's self evident and it's not.

[kalm]

How many ISIS supporters do you think there are, JSO?

There are roughly 2 billion muslims in the world.

You need to get into the realm of ISIS = "tens of millions" of people for ISIS to not be a "tiny fraction."

Not even to mention the fact that their biggest enemies and most of their fighting is against other Muslims.

I don't know how many supporters of ISIS there are. But I think the idea that only a "tiny fraction" of Muslims support some of the central tenets they hold is very questionable.

Like take a look at this poll for instance:

https://www.centerforsecuritypolicy.org ... iah-jihad/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

I don't think I need to discuss the specifics. You can read them yourself. And that is a poll of Muslims living in the United States. I think it's reasonable to suspect that the picture is "worse" among Muslims world wide.

People just say that crap like "Islam is a religion of peace" and "they're just a small minority perverting a great religion" as though it's self evident and it's not.

Hey! That's the same poll the Trump campaign cited!

[Chizzang]

How many ISIS supporters do you think there are, JSO?

There are roughly 2 billion muslims in the world.

You need to get into the realm of ISIS = "tens of millions" of people for ISIS to not be a "tiny fraction."

Not even to mention the fact that their biggest enemies and most of their fighting is against other Muslims.

I don't know how many supporters of ISIS there are. But I think the idea that only a "tiny fraction" of Muslims support some of the central tenets they hold is very questionable.

Like take a look at this poll for instance:

https://www.centerforsecuritypolicy.org ... iah-jihad/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

I don't think I need to discuss the specifics. You can read them yourself. And that is a poll of Muslims living in the United States. I think it's reasonable to suspect that the picture is "worse" among Muslims world wide.

People just say that crap like "Islam is a religion of peace" and "they're just a small minority perverting a great religion" as though it's self evident and it's not.

Sadly the most eloquent spokes people making this ^ point
are a scant few Liberals like Bill Maher and the hated Sam Harris

When Republican try to make the very valid point you are making
They vomit all over the floor with hyperbole and conjecture
instead of staying exactly ON TRACK and just using FACTS

Republicans are their own worst enemy in matters such as these .... Honestly its embarrassing

[kalm]

So googled "Center for Security Policy" and this was one of the first hits.



https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the ... ts-center/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

[YoUDeeMan]

So googled "Center for Security Policy" and this was one of the first hits.



https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the ... ts-center/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Before you laugh...the Post decided to say this:

"We'll start with the Pew data. Trump doesn't link to it, so it's not clear what exactly he's looking at. The polling firm has found that Muslims across the globe are overwhelmingly opposed to the Islamic State and in 2007 that Muslims were much less likely to view suicide bombings as justified than five years prior."

But, they left out a key set of numbers and some interesting facts:

The percentage of Muslims saying that suicide bombing is justified in the defense of Islam has declined dramatically over the past five years in five of eight countries where trends are available. In Lebanon, for example, just 34% of Muslims say suicide bombings in the defense of Islam are often or sometimes justified; in 2002, 74% expressed this view. However, Palestinians stand out for their broad acceptance of suicide bombing. Seven-in-ten-Palestinians say this tactic is at least sometimes justified.





Sooooooooooooooooooooo, the Post, being very critical about how Trump uses poll numbers, decided to say that Muslins are improving...but they decided to NOT to tell their readers that 34% of Lebanese Muslims say suicide bombings in the defense of Islam are often or sometimes justified...and that 70% of Palestinians believe such bombings are justified.

34 effing percent. 70 effing percent.

How in God's name does the Post justify not printing those numbers?

Instead, they accuse Trump of muffling around with numbers.

And kalm falls for it hook and sinker.

[houndawg]

So googled "Center for Security Policy" and this was one of the first hits.



https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the ... ts-center/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Before you laugh...the Post decided to say this:

"We'll start with the Pew data. Trump doesn't link to it, so it's not clear what exactly he's looking at. The polling firm has found that Muslims across the globe are overwhelmingly opposed to the Islamic State and in 2007 that Muslims were much less likely to view suicide bombings as justified than five years prior."

But, they left out a key set of numbers and some interesting facts:

The percentage of Muslims saying that suicide bombing is justified in the defense of Islam has declined dramatically over the past five years in five of eight countries where trends are available. In Lebanon, for example, just 34% of Muslims say suicide bombings in the defense of Islam are often or sometimes justified; in 2002, 74% expressed this view. However, Palestinians stand out for their broad acceptance of suicide bombing. Seven-in-ten-Palestinians say this tactic is at least sometimes justified.





Sooooooooooooooooooooo, the Post, being very critical about how Trump uses poll numbers, decided to say that Muslins are improving...but they decided to NOT to tell their readers that 34% of Lebanese Muslims say suicide bombings in the defense of Islam are often or sometimes justified...and that 70% of Palestinians believe such bombings are justified.

34 effing percent. 70 effing percent.

How in God's name does the Post justify not printing those numbers?

Instead, they accuse Trump of muffling around with numbers.

And kalm falls for it hook and sinker.

Oh Magoo! You've done it again!

I got to hand it to you, comrade; who else would, in the very post in which he's sniveling about playing fast and loose with numbers, forget to mention that he's speaking about 34% of .28% of muslins, or about .085% of the total muslin population, and a cherry-picked sample from the most war-torn and oppressed part of the mid-east to boot! God bless your chutzpah, son, all the way from this drivel to your schtick of passing yourself off as a rugged individual while sucking from the public tit of your wife's overpaid union teaching job. Now go rub some Vagasil on it and try not to touch yourself down there so much....

I think you may be the legitimate challenger to JSO vis a vis trolling. I'm going to have D1B put you on the watch list at the next staff meeting.

side note to JSO- how you like those numbers, cletus?

[Skjellyfetti]

I don't know how many supporters of ISIS there are. But I think the idea that only a "tiny fraction" of Muslims support some of the central tenets they hold is very questionable.

So, Iran and ISIS agree on the "central tenets"?

Iran and ISIS can be lumped in together?

[YoUDeeMan]

Oh Magoo! You've done it again!

I got to hand it to you, comrade; who else would, in the very post in which he's sniveling about playing fast and loose with numbers, forget to mention that he's speaking about 34% of .28% of muslins, or about .085% of the total muslin population, and a cherry-picked sample from the most war-torn and oppressed part of the mid-east to boot! God bless your chutzpah, son, all the way from this drivel to your schtick of passing yourself off as a rugged individual while sucking from the public tit of your wife's overpaid union teaching job. Now go rub some Vagasil on it and try not to touch yourself down there so much....

I think you may be the legitimate challenger to JSO vis a vis trolling. I'm going to have D1B put you on the watch list at the next staff meeting.

side note to JSO- how you like those numbers, cletus?

You had to edit that post twice?

Exactly what did you have to edit out, or add in, to make it seem so...you?

Poor kid...just like a puppy. "Uhhhh...OK, teacher...is it funny this time?"

[Skjellyfetti]

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DR4FRqJeKVA[/youtube]

[LeadBolt]

How many ISIS supporters do you think there are, JSO?

There are roughly 2 billion muslims in the world.

You need to get into the realm of ISIS = "tens of millions" of people for ISIS to not be a "tiny fraction."

Not even to mention the fact that their biggest enemies and most of their fighting is against other Muslims.

ONLY ABOUT 15% 0F MUSLIMS ARE RADICALIZED. DO THE MATH (.15 X 2000000000) = 300,000,000 RADICAL MUSLIMS. THAT IS ABOUT 9-10 TIMES THE POPULATION OF NAZI GERMANY IN 1939. THINK ABOUT THAT FOR A MINUTE. IF YOU READ THE QU'RAN, THE RADICAL MUSLIMS APPEAR TO BE THE ONES THAT FOLLOW IT MORE CLOSELY. THAT IS PROBABLY WHY THE MAJORITY OF MUSLIMS HAVEN'T BEEN ABLE TO MODERATE THE RADICALS.

[kalm]

So googled "Center for Security Policy" and this was one of the first hits.



https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the ... ts-center/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Before you laugh...the Post decided to say this:

"We'll start with the Pew data. Trump doesn't link to it, so it's not clear what exactly he's looking at. The polling firm has found that Muslims across the globe are overwhelmingly opposed to the Islamic State and in 2007 that Muslims were much less likely to view suicide bombings as justified than five years prior."

But, they left out a key set of numbers and some interesting facts:

The percentage of Muslims saying that suicide bombing is justified in the defense of Islam has declined dramatically over the past five years in five of eight countries where trends are available. In Lebanon, for example, just 34% of Muslims say suicide bombings in the defense of Islam are often or sometimes justified; in 2002, 74% expressed this view. However, Palestinians stand out for their broad acceptance of suicide bombing. Seven-in-ten-Palestinians say this tactic is at least sometimes justified.





Sooooooooooooooooooooo, the Post, being very critical about how Trump uses poll numbers, decided to say that Muslins are improving...but they decided to NOT to tell their readers that 34% of Lebanese Muslims say suicide bombings in the defense of Islam are often or sometimes justified...and that 70% of Palestinians believe such bombings are justified.

34 effing percent. 70 effing percent.

How in God's name does the Post justify not printing those numbers?

Instead, they accuse Trump of muffling around with numbers.

And kalm falls for it hook and sinker.

Yep, the old CSP seems totally trustworthy and the poll sounds legit...

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-35037943" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Mr Trump did cite a specific a study by the Center for Security Policy - "very highly respected people, who I know, actually"

Well if the Donald knows them and they're highly respected, then.........



(BTW, not only do I think these comments will not hurt Trump, I don't even think they're that off the wall. Radical islam IS at war with us. We are clearly vulnerable to attack. I don't agree yet with his suggestion but I can see where it's coming from. If people don't like it, they have only the islamists and Saudi Arabia to blame. Clean up your own house first, then come here.)

[kalm]

How many ISIS supporters do you think there are, JSO?

There are roughly 2 billion muslims in the world.

You need to get into the realm of ISIS = "tens of millions" of people for ISIS to not be a "tiny fraction."

Not even to mention the fact that their biggest enemies and most of their fighting is against other Muslims.

ONLY ABOUT 15% 0F MUSLIMS ARE RADICALIZED. DO THE MATH (.15 X 2000000000) = 300,000,000 RADICAL MUSLIMS. THAT IS ABOUT 9-10 TIMES THE POPULATION OF NAZI GERMANY IN 1939. THINK ABOUT THAT FOR A MINUTE. IF YOU READ THE QU'RAN, THE RADICAL MUSLIMS APPEAR TO BE THE ONES THAT FOLLOW IT MORE CLOSELY. THAT IS PROBABLY WHY THE MAJORITY OF MUSLIMS HAVEN'T BEEN ABLE TO MODERATE THE RADICALS.

Skelly's point was regarding ISIS.

But to your last comment. A big part of the reason the moderate majority is not in control is our own foreign policy. We backed some crazies and put strong men in power that created resentment in order to crush the godless Soviets. We've also sided with the rulers of the birthplace of Wahhabism. You know, the ones financially supporting and supplying arms to radicals and who have built the madrasas that preach this shit.

Chickens coming home to roost.

[Skjellyfetti]

How many ISIS supporters do you think there are, JSO?

There are roughly 2 billion muslims in the world.

You need to get into the realm of ISIS = "tens of millions" of people for ISIS to not be a "tiny fraction."

Not even to mention the fact that their biggest enemies and most of their fighting is against other Muslims.

ONLY ABOUT 15% 0F MUSLIMS ARE RADICALIZED. DO THE MATH (.15 X 2000000000) = 300,000,000 RADICAL MUSLIMS. THAT IS ABOUT 9-10 TIMES THE POPULATION OF NAZI GERMANY IN 1939. THINK ABOUT THAT FOR A MINUTE. IF YOU READ THE QU'RAN, THE RADICAL MUSLIMS APPEAR TO BE THE ONES THAT FOLLOW IT MORE CLOSELY. THAT IS PROBABLY WHY THE MAJORITY OF MUSLIMS HAVEN'T BEEN ABLE TO MODERATE THE RADICALS.

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oNz4oEqSvmc[/youtube]

[Ibanez]

How many ISIS supporters do you think there are, JSO?

There are roughly 2 billion muslims in the world.

You need to get into the realm of ISIS = "tens of millions" of people for ISIS to not be a "tiny fraction."

Not even to mention the fact that their biggest enemies and most of their fighting is against other Muslims.

ONLY ABOUT 15% 0F MUSLIMS ARE RADICALIZED. DO THE MATH (.15 X 2000000000) = 300,000,000 RADICAL MUSLIMS. THAT IS ABOUT 9-10 TIMES THE POPULATION OF NAZI GERMANY IN 1939. THINK ABOUT THAT FOR A MINUTE. IF YOU READ THE QU'RAN, THE RADICAL MUSLIMS APPEAR TO BE THE ONES THAT FOLLOW IT MORE CLOSELY. THAT IS PROBABLY WHY THE MAJORITY OF MUSLIMS HAVEN'T BEEN ABLE TO MODERATE THE RADICALS.

OH MY GOD! WHY ARE YOU YELLING, BRAH!?!

[93henfan]

I'm not sure what is more annoying:

1. People who use all caps (on purpose or accidentally)
2. All the predictable shmoes who point out their use of all caps
3. That jackass who comes in late with a list of the three most annoying things about the evolution of a thread with an all caps post
4. The motherfucker who posts after this to talk about the guy in #3.

[CAA Flagship]

I'm not sure what is more annoying:

1. People who use all caps (on purpose or accidentally)
2. All the predictable shmoes who point out their use of all caps
3. That jackass who comes in late with a list of the three most annoying things about the evolution of a thread with an all caps post
4. The motherfucker who posts after this to talk about the guy in #3.

#4
There are bigger fish to fry. People are driving slow in the left lane for cryin' out loud.

[YoUDeeMan]

I'm not sure what is more annoying:

1. People who use all caps (on purpose or accidentally)
2. All the predictable shmoes who point out their use of all caps
3. That jackass who comes in late with a list of the three most annoying things about the evolution of a thread with an all caps post
4. The motherfucker who posts after this to talk about the guy in #3.

#4
There are bigger fish to fry. People are driving slow in the left land for cryin' out loud.

Amen!

[Ivytalk]

People don't even agree on how to pronounce "Muslims." Obama and his toadies say "mooselims." Trump and his sycophants say "muzzlims." Who is right?

[houndawg]

Oh Magoo! You've done it again!

I got to hand it to you, comrade; who else would, in the very post in which he's sniveling about playing fast and loose with numbers, forget to mention that he's speaking about 34% of .28% of muslins, or about .085% of the total muslin population, and a cherry-picked sample from the most war-torn and oppressed part of the mid-east to boot! God bless your chutzpah, son, all the way from this drivel to your schtick of passing yourself off as a rugged individual while sucking from the public tit of your wife's overpaid union teaching job. Now go rub some Vagasil on it and try not to touch yourself down there so much....

I think you may be the legitimate challenger to JSO vis a vis trolling. I'm going to have D1B put you on the watch list at the next staff meeting.

side note to JSO- how you like those numbers, cletus?

You had to edit that post twice?

Exactly what did you have to edit out, or add in, to make it seem so...you?

Poor kid...just like a puppy. "Uhhhh...OK, teacher...is it funny this time?"

translation: I've been punked by Houndawg again I better change the subject, again...