CIA warned Bush Admin about Al-Queda strike

[Baldy]

Really? You gotta link for that quote?

When that April meeting finally occurred, according to Clarke’s book, Against All Enemies, Deputy Defense Secretary Paul Wolfowitz objected that “I just don’t understand why we are beginning by talking about this one man, bin Laden.” Clarke responded that, “We are talking about a network of terrorist organizations called al-Qaeda, that happens to be led by bin Laden, and we are talking about that network because it and it alone poses an immediate and serious threat to the United States.” To which Wolfowitz replied, “Well, there are others that do as well, at least as much. Iraqi terrorism for example.”
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On September 4, the Cabinet met and despite Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld’s insistence that Iraq represented the greater terrorism threat, it approved Clarke’s plan to fight al-Qaeda. On September 9, the Senate Armed Services Committee recommended taking $600 million from the proposed missile defense budget and devoting it to counter-terrorism. According to Gellman, Rumsfeld recommended that Bush veto such a move.

http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/arc ... 11/411175/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

You may now commence your ad homenim attack on the source.

There's nothing to attack.

You have an article that said one guy said something that another guy said. None of it is what you said they said, and by whom.

Try again, Cupcake.

[GannonFan]

You know, if only we had the Patriot Act in effect before 9/11 we could've stopped it.

[93henfan]

You know, if only we had the Patriot Act in effect before 9/11 we could've stopped it.

That was probably the more damaging thing. That and the multi-trillion dollar GWOT.

[dbackjon]

Let's face it: 8 years of Bill Clinton and 8 months of neocons in the White House led up to 9/11.

Who's more to blame?

If we're going to stick to "the guy who had it happen on his watch", then Clinton failed to protect the people in the World Trade Center in '93 and the kids and babies in the Murrah Federal Building in OKC in 95.

And the FBI and CIA were most definitely briefing Clinton on anti-fed terrorism after Ruby Ridge and Waco. How could he let OKC happen?

Clinton stopped further attacks on American soil, and captured the terrorists with no further loss of life during the captures.

[93henfan]

Let's face it: 8 years of Bill Clinton and 8 months of neocons in the White House led up to 9/11.

Who's more to blame?

If we're going to stick to "the guy who had it happen on his watch", then Clinton failed to protect the people in the World Trade Center in '93 and the kids and babies in the Murrah Federal Building in OKC in 95.

And the FBI and CIA were most definitely briefing Clinton on anti-fed terrorism after Ruby Ridge and Waco. How could he let OKC happen?

Clinton stopped further attacks on American soil, and captured the terrorists with no further loss of life during the captures.

TWA 800? Maybe an accident but that's not what Spandos told me.
Egypt Air 990? Crazy terrorist pilot asking for Allah's blessings.

[dbackjon]

Clinton stopped further attacks on American soil, and captured the terrorists with no further loss of life during the captures.

TWA 800? Maybe an accident but that's not what Spandos told me.
Egypt Air 990?

I didn't realize that the Bombers at the WTC and Tim McVeigh bombed those planes.


Of course, TWA 800 was mechanical.

So you are saying that a possible suicidal relief first officer on a foreign airliner should have been spotted by the President? Or maybe that was mechanical as well.

[93henfan]

I gotcha.

Just pointing out you can't have it both ways. If you're going to blame one man for terrorism on his watch, you have to apply the blame fairly to all in that position.

[dbackjon]

I gotcha.

Just pointing out you can't have it both ways. If you're going to blame one man for terrorism on his watch, you have to apply the blame fairly to all in that position.

And you have to acknowledge the scaling issues as well. Plus the fact that Bush never caught Bin Laden, and never really tried, and used the 9/11 attack to settle personal scores and to enrich his buddies.

[93henfan]

Bush never really tried to catch Bin Laden?

Please. Stop.

[YoUDeeMan]

What we have here is dback, belatedly, agreeing with expandos...but only so the Conks look bad.

At the same time, dback ignores the reality that Clinton and allowed terrorist attacks against our world wide assents, while Obama has allowed many more terrorist attacks on American soil than Bush.

And, going forward, Obama's actions in Libya, Afghanistan, Pakistan, Syria, etc., will result in far more non-declared war attacks on, and deaths of, Americans than any previous President.

Nobel Prize winner...

dback...supporting the deaths of Americans, and other innocents, worldwide...in the name of...freedom to assfvck (or whatever).

Something to be proud of.

Say a prayer for the French victims, dback.

[AZGrizFan]

Bad, bad day for the Conks......

Yeah, my poor knuckles have been taking a beating.

No shit. This thread rocks. Donks leading with their faces....

[D1B]

Bad, bad day for the Conks......

Yeah, my poor knuckles have been taking a beating.

Yeah, Baldyke, rubbed raw from dragging em on the ground you illiterate neanderfuck.

[Grizalltheway]

Yeah, my poor knuckles have been taking a beating.

No shit. This thread rocks. Donks leading with their faces....

And you're always complaining about people declaring victory?

The evidence is there, plain as day. They were warned and did nothing. Zilch. Nada.

[AZGrizFan]

No shit. This thread rocks. Donks leading with their faces....

And you're always complaining about people declaring victory?

The evidence is there, plain as day. They were warned and did nothing. Zilch. Nada.

Nor did Clinton. And he had him in his fucking sights. Your point?

Everything pre-9/11 is easy to Monday-morning quarterback. We've been down this road with you nitwits before. Had Bush unilaterally attacked, invaded, bombed, captured, killed, hunted down or otherwise done ANYTHING that would have violated some shithole country's sovereignty spineless donk fucks would have been howling for his head on a platter. You know it. I know it. Everybody knows it.

[Baldy]

No shit. This thread rocks. Donks leading with their faces....

And you're always complaining about people declaring victory?

The evidence is there, plain as day. They were warned and did nothing. Zilch. Nada.

OK, since we didn't know which planes were flying from where and when these planes would be flying, Bush should have just shut down all commercial air traffic? For how long?

Lubeboi passed on this. Your turn.

[CID1990]

Woodrow Wilson finessed us into WWI to advance his globalist aims

bastard

[Ibanez]

I gotcha.

Just pointing out you can't have it both ways. If you're going to blame one man for terrorism on his watch, you have to apply the blame fairly to all in that position.

And you have to acknowledge the scaling issues as well. Plus the fact that Bush never caught Bin Laden, and never really tried, and used the 9/11 attack to settle personal scores and to enrich his buddies.

Clinton, admittedly, failed to catch OBL in 1998 when he had the chance.

[CID1990]

If only Harry Truman had supported Ho Chi Minh's request for US influence in ending French colonialism in Vietnam....

[anonymous#2]

What we have here is dback, belatedly, agreeing with expandos...but only so the Conks look bad.

At the same time, dback ignores the reality that Clinton and allowed terrorist attacks against our world wide assents, while Obama has allowed many more terrorist attacks on American soil than Bush.

And, going forward, Obama's actions in Libya, Afghanistan, Pakistan, Syria, etc., will result in far more non-declared war attacks on, and deaths of, Americans than any previous President.

Nobel Prize winner...

dback...supporting the deaths of Americans, and other innocents, worldwide...in the name of...freedom to assfvck (or whatever).

Something to be proud of.

Say a prayer for the French victims, dback.

LOL!!!!!!!!! Give me warning. Glad I wasn't drinking or my computer would be soaked. love dback, but even he'd smile at that tangent.

Ike warned us of the day when wars would equal profits and no potus since then has disappointed. I'll give Carter a pass except he was a ball-less bitch who wouldn't stand up to Iran and we had to wait until Reagan got elected but even Reagan was dirty. Hell the CIA trafficked Cocaine into America on his watch. Bush, Clinton, Jr, the black guy, they've all sucked ass. They do what the bankers around the world tell them to do and they kill who the bankers tell them to kill. Out!

[SDHornet]

An unashamed apologist for Hillary Clinton started this thread, asking why we would put neo-conservatives back in the White House

That really is the funniest part.

Maybe this can be the "but Bush" thread to end all "but Bush" threads. I mean shit, we are only approaching the last year of a 2 term president succeeding Bush. At some point the "but Bush" excuse will grow tired...maybe near the end of Hildabests 2nd term?

[anonymous#2]

That really is the funniest part.

Maybe this can be the "but Bush" thread to end all "but Bush" threads. I mean ****, we are only approaching the last year of a 2 term president succeeding Bush. At some point the "but Bush" excuse will grow tired...maybe near the end of Hildabests 2nd term?

[kalm]

Well I'm glad we've established that Obama and Climton are to blame for the Bush administration completely ignoring the threat!

Good lord, did any of you actually read the article?

[Grizalltheway]

Good lord, did any of you actually read the article?

Nope.

[YoUDeeMan]

Well I'm glad we've established that Obama and Climton are to blame for the Bush administration completely ignoring the threat!

Good lord, did any of you actually read the article?

Huh?

Did YOU read the article?

Did it say that Bush did nothing?

You know this article is an advertisement for a documentary, right?

"The drama of failed warnings began when Tenet and Black pitched a plan, in the spring of 2001, called “the Blue Sky paper” to Bush’s new national security team. It called for a covert CIA and military campaign to end the Al Qaeda threat—“getting into the Afghan sanctuary, launching a paramilitary operation, creating a bridge with Uzbekistan.” “And the word back,” says Tenet, “‘was ‘we’re not quite ready to consider this. We don’t want the clock to start ticking.’” (Translation: they did not want a paper trail to show that they’d been warned.)"

Read more: http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/ ... z3rfK0hzCw" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;



Gosh, that sure worked.

No paper trail wanted...yeah, good translation by the author.

What a load of crap...from a guy trying to sell his movie/documentary.

Read the article again...with a clear mind. The ass clowns mention no specific threat...just that they are coming!

Movie trailer material.

However, the actual meat of the article is fascinating (it just isn't Obama friendly, so dback didn't frame the thread in that light).

Under Obama, we have launched missile strikes, KNOWING WITH ABSOLUTE CERTAINTY, that we were going to kill specific innocent women and small children with our drone strikes. In fact, we said, fvck it, we want the guy dead and if other people will die, that's OK. Yup...that's what we did.

Nobel. Peace. Prize.

We also know that we've killed innocent hostages with Obama's drone strikes.

Fog of war.

And let's bring this wonderful topic full circle. We allowed ISIL/Deash/ISIS/IS to come together in Syria. Obama will eventually be correctly identified as the clown who helped unify the extremist Muslins with his bizarre and so-called righteous decisions to take out/kill/remove two secular leaders. The hoards of refugees that are overwhelming Europe are coming from the very places that Obama intentionally destabilized (while lying to us that we were only providing non-lethal assistance to the so called moderates). One of those refugees from Obama's whacked out wars just helped kill 129 innocent people in France...with more attacks to come. Chew on that for a while.

And, what are the odds that Obama's NSA had wind of some part of that operation? And what did Obama do about that intel?

Don't worry, I'm sure dback will be back here posting about that story in a few years.

[Baldy]

Well I'm glad we've established that Obama and Climton are to blame for the Bush administration completely ignoring the threat!

Good lord, did any of you actually read the article?

First, lubeboi and then WTAG passed. Now it's your turn.

OK, since we didn't know which planes were flying from where and when these planes would be flying, Bush should have just shut down all commercial air traffic? For how long?