The Ivytalk / Chizzang: Trump Takes the Gold thread

[Ivytalk]

More like 1.5 Harvard men, wouldn't you say?

1.5 Seems about right, maybe 1.4

No, definitely 2.0!

[Ivytalk]

Look who crawled out from under a rock. Piss off, Donk farm boy. Your kind ain't welcome here. This is a dispute between two Harvard men.

Maybe I could join in if I have my penis shortened?

In your case, poundpud, I don't think that's possible.

[SDHornet]

Meh. The field needs to get whittled down and then a meaningful debate can happen. Once deep questions start getting asked and Trump still has no more to offer other than “I’ll fix it” and “everyone loves me” then someone else might get some traction. Until then, sit back and enjoy the entertainment.

The conk base isn't interested in "deep questions" and Trump knows it. The republican bigots have spent decades crafting their racist southern strategy to build a party base of halfwits and pinheads who are stupid enough to believe thats whats good enough for billionaires is good enough for bubba and all our problems is them nigras fault. It's the very cream of the jest that they've lost control of their frankenstein creation and are about to take an asswhuppin for the ages. Stupid conk fvcks never should have counted on a base composed mostly of white trash. It is absolutely hilarious to see them looking like Mickey Mouse in the Sorcerer's Apprentice. Talk about hoist by their own petard.....

I mean really, 16 professional politicians running on the conk side and an amateur like DONALD TRUMP is kicking a mud hole in the ass of every one of them and stomping it dry with military precision...now they're going to elect a speaker of the House that Trump bitch-slapped right out of the Presidential race....these clowns are now less relevant than the freaking Green Party..... I can't get enough of this shit.... and to top it off the stupid conk fvcks are going to cut off their own balls with ..... wait for it.........BENGHAZI!

Eh. In the last conk debate there were some real questions snuck in between all the pointed questions design to generate mudslinging. During those, Trump was all crickets and just faded to the background. So far all we know about Trumps policies are 1) he will get Mexico to pay for a border fence and then deport millions of illegals. 2) His tax plan is and is just a handout for big business. Shocker. 3) He has a lot of smart people he has talked to and will announce more policies any day now.

Now I have no arguments about the laughable job conk leadership has done. They had a simple job since 2012, and that was to push forward common sense legislation and dare donks to veto/block it. The vetoed/blocked legislation/budgets would have then served as ammo in 2014. As expected, the conks shat the bed and have offered the American people absolutely nothing. Their implosion has been very entertaining.

[GannonFan]

The conk base isn't interested in "deep questions" and Trump knows it. The republican bigots have spent decades crafting their racist southern strategy to build a party base of halfwits and pinheads who are stupid enough to believe thats whats good enough for billionaires is good enough for bubba and all our problems is them nigras fault. It's the very cream of the jest that they've lost control of their frankenstein creation and are about to take an asswhuppin for the ages. Stupid conk fvcks never should have counted on a base composed mostly of white trash. It is absolutely hilarious to see them looking like Mickey Mouse in the Sorcerer's Apprentice. Talk about hoist by their own petard.....

I mean really, 16 professional politicians running on the conk side and an amateur like DONALD TRUMP is kicking a mud hole in the ass of every one of them and stomping it dry with military precision...now they're going to elect a speaker of the House that Trump bitch-slapped right out of the Presidential race....these clowns are now less relevant than the freaking Green Party..... I can't get enough of this ****.... and to top it off the stupid conk fvcks are going to cut off their own balls with ..... wait for it.........BENGHAZI!

Eh. In the last conk debate there were some real questions snuck in between all the pointed questions design to generate mudslinging. During those, Trump was all crickets and just faded to the background. So far all we know about Trumps policies are 1) he will get Mexico to pay for a border fence and then deport millions of illegals. 2) His tax plan is and is just a handout for big business. Shocker. 3) He has a lot of smart people he has talked to and will announce more policies any day now.

Now I have no arguments about the laughable job conk leadership has done. They had a simple job since 2012, and that was to push forward common sense legislation and dare donks to veto/block it. The vetoed/blocked legislation/budgets would have then served as ammo in 2014. As expected, the conks shat the bed and have offered the American people absolutely nothing. Their implosion has been very entertaining.

I agree the GOP has been poor for quite some time now, but what do you mean by implosion? While they were imploding, on your timeline, from 2012 to now, the American people, who you say have been offered nothing, gave the GOP electoral wins to control both houses of Congress, the vast majority of state legislatures throughout the country, and the vast majority of governor's mansions throughout the country. If this is what implosion looks like, then the GOP would be wise to keep on imploding.

[houndawg]

Eh. In the last conk debate there were some real questions snuck in between all the pointed questions design to generate mudslinging. During those, Trump was all crickets and just faded to the background. So far all we know about Trumps policies are 1) he will get Mexico to pay for a border fence and then deport millions of illegals. 2) His tax plan is and is just a handout for big business. Shocker. 3) He has a lot of smart people he has talked to and will announce more policies any day now.

Now I have no arguments about the laughable job conk leadership has done. They had a simple job since 2012, and that was to push forward common sense legislation and dare donks to veto/block it. The vetoed/blocked legislation/budgets would have then served as ammo in 2014. As expected, the conks shat the bed and have offered the American people absolutely nothing. Their implosion has been very entertaining.

I agree the GOP has been poor for quite some time now, but what do you mean by implosion? While they were imploding, on your timeline, from 2012 to now, the American people, who you say have been offered nothing, gave the GOP electoral wins to control both houses of Congress, the vast majority of state legislatures throughout the country, and the vast majority of governor's mansions throughout the country. If this is what implosion looks like, then the GOP would be wise to keep on imploding.

Well duh. Its pretty clear that they came to this conclusion themselves quite some time ago. Every time one of these no-hopers opens their mouth 15 other buffoons immediately try to outdo him/her at appearing witless. Watching politics has never been this fun before.....

[houndawg]

Maybe I could join in if I have my penis shortened?

In your case, poundpud, I don't think that's possible.

Well then I'm more than qualified for Harvard.

[D1B]

Eh. In the last conk debate there were some real questions snuck in between all the pointed questions design to generate mudslinging. During those, Trump was all crickets and just faded to the background. So far all we know about Trumps policies are 1) he will get Mexico to pay for a border fence and then deport millions of illegals. 2) His tax plan is and is just a handout for big business. Shocker. 3) He has a lot of smart people he has talked to and will announce more policies any day now.

Now I have no arguments about the laughable job conk leadership has done. They had a simple job since 2012, and that was to push forward common sense legislation and dare donks to veto/block it. The vetoed/blocked legislation/budgets would have then served as ammo in 2014. As expected, the conks shat the bed and have offered the American people absolutely nothing. Their implosion has been very entertaining.

I agree the GOP has been poor for quite some time now, but what do you mean by implosion? While they were imploding, on your timeline, from 2012 to now, the American people, who you say have been offered nothing, gave the GOP electoral wins to control both houses of Congress, the vast majority of state legislatures throughout the country, and the vast majority of governor's mansions throughout the country. If this is what implosion looks like, then the GOP would be wise to keep on imploding.

...and they havent done a fucking thing either.

Sole GOP Objective - denegrofy the White House.

[Ivytalk]

In your case, poundpud, I don't think that's possible.

Well then I'm more than qualified for Harvard.

Because you have a vagina? Can't hurt in the diversity selection process.

[D1B]

Well then I'm more than qualified for Harvard.

Because you have a vagina? Can't hurt in the diversity selection process.

That's all you could come up with? You should take over the Lampoon!!

[SDHornet]

I agree the GOP has been poor for quite some time now, but what do you mean by implosion? While they were imploding, on your timeline, from 2012 to now, the American people, who you say have been offered nothing, gave the GOP electoral wins to control both houses of Congress, the vast majority of state legislatures throughout the country, and the vast majority of governor's mansions throughout the country. If this is what implosion looks like, then the GOP would be wise to keep on imploding.

The conks have won (and should win more) elections, but without leadership to do anything with it means there won’t be an end to this gridlock anytime soon….which supposedly is a good thing. Not a good look for conks when the infighting (implosion) doesn’t even allow common sense legislation/budgets to get passed. conks are listless right now, and it’s embarrassing considering they are the “alternative” to the incompetent donk leadership. We’re all fucked.

[D1B]

I agree the GOP has been poor for quite some time now, but what do you mean by implosion? While they were imploding, on your timeline, from 2012 to now, the American people, who you say have been offered nothing, gave the GOP electoral wins to control both houses of Congress, the vast majority of state legislatures throughout the country, and the vast majority of governor's mansions throughout the country. If this is what implosion looks like, then the GOP would be wise to keep on imploding.

The conks have won (and should win more) elections, but without leadership to do anything with it means there won’t be an end to this gridlock anytime soon….which supposedly is a good thing. Not a good look for conks when the infighting (implosion) doesn’t even allow common sense legislation/budgets to get passed. conks are listless right now, and it’s embarrassing considering they are the “alternative” to the incompetent donk leadership. We’re all fucked.

Gonadfan don't care as long as the morons win elections.

[GannonFan]

The conks have won (and should win more) elections, but without leadership to do anything with it means there won’t be an end to this gridlock anytime soon….which supposedly is a good thing. Not a good look for conks when the infighting (implosion) doesn’t even allow common sense legislation/budgets to get passed. conks are listless right now, and it’s embarrassing considering they are the “alternative” to the incompetent donk leadership. We’re all ****.

Gonadfan don't care as long as the morons win elections.

Huh? SD's right, we're all screwed to a point considering the sole objective of either party is to win elections and therefore win power. Neither party seems particularly focused on doing anything once in power other than solidify they're hold on power and, if they lose it, do anything they can to make sure the other party can't do anything. Donks did it to Conks in the years worth of runup to 2008, and the Conks have continued the trend and then some in the time since.

All I was doing was making the observation that while the GOP has governed poorly in the past few years from where they have held power, they have nonetheless increased their hold on everything-government save for the White House since. That doesn't sound like implosion normally sounds like.

[Ivytalk]

Because you have a vagina? Can't hurt in the diversity selection process.

That's all you could come up with? You should take over the Lampoon!!

Out of Xanax again?

[houndawg]

Well then I'm more than qualified for Harvard.

Because you have a vagina? Can't hurt in the diversity selection process.

Won't work. Everybody at harvard already has one.

[houndawg]

Gonadfan don't care as long as the morons win elections.

Huh? SD's right, we're all screwed to a point considering the sole objective of either party is to win elections and therefore win power. Neither party seems particularly focused on doing anything once in power other than solidify they're hold on power and, if they lose it, do anything they can to make sure the other party can't do anything. Donks did it to Conks in the years worth of runup to 2008, and the Conks have continued the trend and then some in the time since.

All I was doing was making the observation that while the GOP has governed poorly in the past few years from where they have held power, they have nonetheless increased their hold on everything-government save for the White House since. That doesn't sound like implosion normally sounds like.

And they're being devoured by the wing of their party that actually believes the nonsense they've been spewing since Reagan. Its about as perfect an example of karma as can be found. I haven't ever enjoyed watching politics as much as I enjoy it now, and the best is yet to come!

[Ivytalk]

Because you have a vagina? Can't hurt in the diversity selection process.

Won't work. Everybody at harvard already has one.

Well, then, come on in. Why settle for the drivel that passes for an education in Carbondale when you can get mingle with truly smart people in Cambridge? And massage your vagina to boot!

[93henfan]

If Trump gets the nod, he will lose all 50 states, even Utah. Walter Mondale's '84 debacle will become a historical footnote.

The dynamic of the country has changed pretty dramatically in 32 years, Ivy, so I don't think there's any comparison to 84. Back then, there were dozens of states who were not "red" or "blue". Delaware was considered a bellwether state, with the winner of our state taking the Presidency every election from 1952 through 1996.

Now, we've gone reliably blue the past four presidential elections and the foreseeable future.

Let's face it. Presidential elections now are about the handful of swing states with double digit electoral votes, in off the top of my head order: FL, PA, OH, VA, NC.

Trump would win Utah easily of course, but I'm thinking you were probably joking. I can get BDKJMUish sometimes and not detect when people are being facetious.

[kalm]

If Trump gets the nod, he will lose all 50 states, even Utah. Walter Mondale's '84 debacle will become a historical footnote.

The dynamic of the country has changed pretty dramatically in 32 years, Ivy, so I don't think there's any comparison to 84. Back then, there were dozens of states who were not "red" or "blue". Delaware was considered a bellwether state, with the winner of our state taking the Presidency every election from 1952 through 1996.

Now, we've gone reliably blue the past four presidential elections and the foreseeable future.

Let's face it. Presidential elections now are about the handful of swing states with double digit electoral votes, in off the top of my head order: FL, PA, OH, VA, NC.

Trump would win Utah easily of course, but I'm thinking you were probably joking. I can get BDKJMUish sometimes and not detect when people are being facetious.

Seriously?

[93henfan]

Seriously what?

[kalm]

Seriously what?

(Your last sentence)

Oh...wait...

[93henfan]

Oh whew. I was waiting for you to tell me how Hillary Clinton would win Utah.

[kalm]

Trumpster laying some serious wood to Bush now. Even Salon agrees with him. And Jeb has surrounded himself with the same neo-cons.

If Bush had been a Democrat, everyone would be agreeing with Trump on this.

But right now, we’re in one of those rare moments when Donald Trump is right—and even more astoundingly, he’s the only one. As the billionaire calls BS on mythologizing around 9/11 and how George W. Bush “kept us safe”—a myth Jeb Bush has turned into a mantra on the campaign trail—Trump deserves credit for actually nailing it this time, and for saying what neither Republicans nor Democrats have had the courage to publicly utter in more than a decade.

The kerfuffle started last week with a Bloomberg TV interview in which Trump stated about George W. Bush, “Blame him, or don’t blame him, but he was president.” He continued, “The World Trade Center came down during his reign.”

Jeb Bush responded via Twitter, calling Trump “pathetic” and insisting, “We were attacked & my brother kept us safe.”

“No,” Trump returned, “you’re pathetic for saying nothing happened during your brother’s term when the World Trade Center was attacked and came down.”

And here, Trump makes perhaps the most honest, sanest, and above all, unassailably correct statement he’s uttered during this campaign season thus far. Though endless outlets criticized the billionaire for blaming Bush for the attacks (and I’ll defer to Peter Beinart’s excellent Atlantic piece on why that’s also true), the question of blame is essentially irrelevant. What’s unquestionably true is that Bush did not keep us safe, a basic reality revealed by the fact of 9/11. It’s not rocket science. And yet, for 13 years now, even Bush’s foes haven’t said as much.

In the days since that appearance, Trump has used his Twitter to double down on his remarks, highlighting issues that seem likely to damage Jeb Bush’s campaign and to make it difficult to continue his defense of his brother. These tweets included an article pointing out that Jeb Bush, in his 2013 bookImmigration Wars, had written that 9/11 could partly be attributed to the U.S.’ “leaky immigration” policy at the time; a link to a New York Times article pointing out that more than a month ahead of the attacks, during an intelligence briefing, Bush was provided with a classified document titled “Bin Laden Determined to Strike in U.S”; a reminder that none other than Jeb Bush was governor of Florida when all 12 of the highjackers acquired identification through legal means in the state; and a Buzzfeed News piece excerpting a 2000 letter by Trump warning of the potential for a major terrorist attack on U.S. soil, in which the billionaire makes specific reference to Osama bin Laden.

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[Ivytalk]

Gosh, I didn't realize what a genius Trump was! And a Penn grad at that!

He'll never get the nomination, though.

[SDHornet]

Trumpster laying some serious wood to Bush now. Even Salon agrees with him. And Jeb has surrounded himself with the same neo-cons.

If Bush had been a Democrat, everyone would be agreeing with Trump on this.

But right now, we’re in one of those rare moments when Donald Trump is right—and even more astoundingly, he’s the only one. As the billionaire calls BS on mythologizing around 9/11 and how George W. Bush “kept us safe”—a myth Jeb Bush has turned into a mantra on the campaign trail—Trump deserves credit for actually nailing it this time, and for saying what neither Republicans nor Democrats have had the courage to publicly utter in more than a decade.

The kerfuffle started last week with a Bloomberg TV interview in which Trump stated about George W. Bush, “Blame him, or don’t blame him, but he was president.” He continued, “The World Trade Center came down during his reign.”

Jeb Bush responded via Twitter, calling Trump “pathetic” and insisting, “We were attacked & my brother kept us safe.”

“No,” Trump returned, “you’re pathetic for saying nothing happened during your brother’s term when the World Trade Center was attacked and came down.”

And here, Trump makes perhaps the most honest, sanest, and above all, unassailably correct statement he’s uttered during this campaign season thus far. Though endless outlets criticized the billionaire for blaming Bush for the attacks (and I’ll defer to Peter Beinart’s excellent Atlantic piece on why that’s also true), the question of blame is essentially irrelevant. What’s unquestionably true is that Bush did not keep us safe, a basic reality revealed by the fact of 9/11. It’s not rocket science. And yet, for 13 years now, even Bush’s foes haven’t said as much.

In the days since that appearance, Trump has used his Twitter to double down on his remarks, highlighting issues that seem likely to damage Jeb Bush’s campaign and to make it difficult to continue his defense of his brother. These tweets included an article pointing out that Jeb Bush, in his 2013 bookImmigration Wars, had written that 9/11 could partly be attributed to the U.S.’ “leaky immigration” policy at the time; a link to a New York Times article pointing out that more than a month ahead of the attacks, during an intelligence briefing, Bush was provided with a classified document titled “Bin Laden Determined to Strike in U.S”; a reminder that none other than Jeb Bush was governor of Florida when all 12 of the highjackers acquired identification through legal means in the state; and a Buzzfeed News piece excerpting a 2000 letter by Trump warning of the potential for a major terrorist attack on U.S. soil, in which the billionaire makes specific reference to Osama bin Laden.

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This is great and GW is 100% accountable for what happened to this country while in power…now if only the same media lambasting GW (and rightfully so) will also hold Hildabeast to the same accountability standard while she was SOS we might actually get somewhere.

[houndawg]

Won't work. Everybody at harvard already has one.

Well, then, come on in. Why settle for the drivel that passes for an education in Carbondale when you can get mingle with truly smart people in Cambridge? And massage your vagina to boot!

We see the results every day from the efforts of our best and brightest. Think I'll stick with the locals, the laws of physics are the same here as in Cambridge.