Ban college football?

[bonarae]

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000142 ... 94220.html

I think the author has seen enough of the problems that plague FBS football. Interesting discussion though. But he doesn't mention at all the sustainable football programs at the FCS, D-II and D-III levels or other sports as well.

[CatBlitz22]

No way this happens. Get out the torches and pitchforks if it ever gets close to it.

[Screamin_Eagle174]

How about we cut costs by lowering the absurdly high price of tuition, thus allowing more people to attend college and get an education in order to better contribute to an intelligent society, instead of the idiocracy that we've become?

[Grizalltheway]

How about we cut costs by lowering the absurdly high price of tuition, thus allowing more people to attend college and get an education in order to better contribute to an intelligent society, instead of the idiocracy that we've become?

Also need to focus on steering kids towards fields that sustain and advance society, but that's a discussion for another thread.

[SuperHornet]

How about we cut costs by lowering the absurdly high price of tuition, thus allowing more people to attend college and get an education in order to better contribute to an intelligent society, instead of the idiocracy that we've become?

[Ibanez]

How about we cut costs by lowering the absurdly high price of tuition, thus allowing more people to attend college and get an education in order to better contribute to an intelligent society, instead of the idiocracy that we've become?

Those costs reflect the rising admin and operating costs that plague universities. Insurance, research, salaries, housing all cost more. CCU recently voted to NOT raise tuition in spite of adding new programs, academically and athletics.

[Libertine]

How about we cut costs by lowering the absurdly high price of tuition, thus allowing more people to attend college and get an education in order to better contribute to an intelligent society, instead of the idiocracy that we've become?

The single biggest reason for the high cost of college tuition is the ongoing debacle of the feds bailing out Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac. Government-backed student loans have created an artificially-inflated market price for education. This has allowed more people than ever before to attend and get a college education albeit with massive amounts of student loan debt when they graduate. At the same time, the college degree has become almost a mass-produced commodity, dramatically cutting its value both in terms of quality and quantity.
In short, more higher education won't solve the current "idiocracy" but rather is somewhat responsible for it.

[Ibanez]

How about we cut costs by lowering the absurdly high price of tuition, thus allowing more people to attend college and get an education in order to better contribute to an intelligent society, instead of the idiocracy that we've become?

The single biggest reason for the high cost of college tuition is the ongoing debacle of the feds bailing out Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac. Government-backed student loans have created an artificially-inflated market price for education. This has allowed more people than ever before to attend and get a college education albeit with massive amounts of student loan debt when they graduate. At the same time, the college degree has become almost a mass-produced commodity, dramatically cutting its value both in terms of quality and quantity.
In short, more higher education won't solve the current "idiocracy" but rather is somewhat responsible for it.

I think the idea that everyone needs a 4 year degree has done harm. WE need mechanics, ditch diggers, truck drivers. Truck drivers don't nee a 4 year degree from Clemson.

[Ibanez]

If you want to establish a minor league system that the National Football League pays for—which they should, given that they are the greatest beneficiaries of college football—that is fine.

Very good point.

[CID1990]

The single biggest reason for the high cost of college tuition is the ongoing debacle of the feds bailing out Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac. Government-backed student loans have created an artificially-inflated market price for education. This has allowed more people than ever before to attend and get a college education albeit with massive amounts of student loan debt when they graduate. At the same time, the college degree has become almost a mass-produced commodity, dramatically cutting its value both in terms of quality and quantity.
In short, more higher education won't solve the current "idiocracy" but rather is somewhat responsible for it.

I think the idea that everyone needs a 4 year degree has done harm. WE need mechanics, ditch diggers, truck drivers. Truck drivers don't nee a 4 year degree from Clemson.

But that's all a clempson degree is good for.


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[goroute]

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[Ivytalk]

It figures: a Penn grad.

[Libertine]

I think the idea that everyone needs a 4 year degree has done harm. WE need mechanics, ditch diggers, truck drivers. Truck drivers don't nee a 4 year degree from Clemson.

But that's all a clempson degree is good for.


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Badum-bum!

[YoUDeeMan]

How about we cut costs by lowering the absurdly high price of tuition, thus allowing more people to attend college and get an education in order to better contribute to an intelligent society, instead of the idiocracy that we've become?

Correct me if I am wrong, but don't we have more people than ever graduating from colleges and universities?

Furthermore, educational attainment rates have been climbing for quite some time....so why don't people seem smarter? Frankly, it is shocking when you see some of today's "graduates" speak...and even more shocking when you see them try to work through a problem.

And just how many college degrees does a janitor need?

[BigSkyBears]

How about we cut costs by lowering the absurdly high price of tuition, thus allowing more people to attend college and get an education in order to better contribute to an intelligent society, instead of the idiocracy that we've become?

All I can say is that universities in Colorado have had to raise tuition because the tax payers won't support the universities with their tax dollars. Some, such as CU have suggesting transitioning into a private school.

As for article. I can understand his point of view. Some cultures are absolutely way too obsessed with football. Look at SEC's schools or Michigan or Ohio State. Look at some cultures on a smaller scale like Montana. It would be great if they were that obsessed over academics. However, I'm a realist so I understand that's not going to happen.

[SDHornet]

How about we cut costs by lowering the absurdly high price of tuition, thus allowing more people to attend college and get an education in order to better contribute to an intelligent society, instead of the idiocracy that we've become?

All I can say is that universities in Colorado have had to raise tuition because the tax payers won't support the universities with their tax dollars. Some, such as CU have suggesting transitioning into a private school.

As for article. I can understand his point of view. Some cultures are absolutely way too obsessed with football. Look at SEC's schools or Michigan or Ohio State. Look at some cultures on a smaller scale like Montana. It would be great if they were that obsessed over academics. However, I'm a realist so I understand that's not going to happen.

I disagree with this. I have no idea how it is in CO but in CA over half of the state budget goes to education and yet the academic types are screaming bloody murder over raising tuition and want the tax payers to fund education even more. Their energy needs to be focused on the administrative waste at all levels of education before targeting the tax payers to pony up more money. Throwing more money at the problem will not solve it.

[tampajag]

The single biggest reason for the high cost of college tuition is the ongoing debacle of the feds bailing out Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac. Government-backed student loans have created an artificially-inflated market price for education. This has allowed more people than ever before to attend and get a college education albeit with massive amounts of student loan debt when they graduate. At the same time, the college degree has become almost a mass-produced commodity, dramatically cutting its value both in terms of quality and quantity.
In short, more higher education won't solve the current "idiocracy" but rather is somewhat responsible for it.

I think the idea that everyone needs a 4 year degree has done harm. WE need mechanics, ditch diggers, truck drivers. Truck drivers don't nee a 4 year degree from Clemson.

nor do they need it to deliver pizzas

[Grizalltheway]

How about we cut costs by lowering the absurdly high price of tuition, thus allowing more people to attend college and get an education in order to better contribute to an intelligent society, instead of the idiocracy that we've become?

All I can say is that universities in Colorado have had to raise tuition because the tax payers won't support the universities with their tax dollars. Some, such as CU have suggesting transitioning into a private school.

As for article. I can understand his point of view. Some cultures are absolutely way too obsessed with football. Look at SEC's schools or Michigan or Ohio State. Look at some cultures on a smaller scale like Montana. It would be great if they were that obsessed over academics. However, I'm a realist so I understand that's not going to happen.

Hey, Mr Realist, why don't you take a look at where your little junior college falls in national rankings before you start talking academic smack?

[Ibanez]

How about we cut costs by lowering the absurdly high price of tuition, thus allowing more people to attend college and get an education in order to better contribute to an intelligent society, instead of the idiocracy that we've become?

Correct me if I am wrong, but don't we have more people than ever graduating from colleges and universities?

Furthermore, educational attainment rates have been climbing for quite some time....so why don't people seem smarter? Frankly, it is shocking when you see some of today's "graduates" speak...and even more shocking when you see them try to work through a problem.

And just how many college degrees does a janitor need?

In my wifes masters courses, there are these girls that can't form a sentence and hate criticism. The courses are built around discussions and commenting on each others works. My wife is the ONLY one that will comment. All the others say things like, "Great job". All they do is pat each other on the back for poor work and most of them can't even follow written directions. One girl said she was designing a denim line. Her line, of 15 garments had no denim and when she was called out on it, she flipped her lid.

[UNI88]

From Sports Illustrated - Safety, exploitation at center of debate on college football ban
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2012/w ... t=hp_wr_a3

One of Bissinger's points particularly stood out, and it both energized the audience and rendered his opponents all but powerless to rebut it. He argued, essentially, that we put an end to the increasingly tortured efforts to reconcile the larger missions of universities with what it takes for those universities to field successful football teams, by officially recognizing that the two are not reconcilable. He proposed that major college football programs that are already, in practice, run parallel to their universities -- out of their own increasingly grand departments and facilities -- formally split off into their own entities while retaining a tie to, and even the name of, the school from which they originated. "Create a de facto subsidiary," Bissinger proposed. "The university gets a licensing fee."

[BigSkyBears]

All I can say is that universities in Colorado have had to raise tuition because the tax payers won't support the universities with their tax dollars. Some, such as CU have suggesting transitioning into a private school.

As for article. I can understand his point of view. Some cultures are absolutely way too obsessed with football. Look at SEC's schools or Michigan or Ohio State. Look at some cultures on a smaller scale like Montana. It would be great if they were that obsessed over academics. However, I'm a realist so I understand that's not going to happen.

Hey, Mr Realist, why don't you take a look at where your little junior college falls in national rankings before you start talking academic smack?

Do you even have a college degree?

[Vidav]

Hey, Mr Realist, why don't you take a look at where your little junior college falls in national rankings before you start talking academic smack?

Do you even have a college degree?

[JayJ79]

I think the author has seen enough of the problems that plague FBS football. Interesting discussion though. But he doesn't mention at all the sustainable football programs at the FCS, D-II and D-III levels or other sports as well.

Not sure FCS is all that much more sustainable. Yes, there are a few less scholarships to pay for, but there is still the arms race that is stadiums, facilities, coaches, etc. And unlike BCS schools, most FCS programs don't have millions of dollars in TV money to support them.

Of course, the worst situation is probably the lower-tier (non-BCS) FBS programs, that have much of the same costs of the BCS programs, but not nearly the same revenues.

[Grizalltheway]

Hey, Mr Realist, why don't you take a look at where your little junior college falls in national rankings before you start talking academic smack?

Do you even have a college degree?

Yes. Now, did you have a chance to compare how our respective schools rank academically, or are you going to continue to make claims not at all based on reality?

[BigSkyBears]

Do you even have a college degree?

Yes. Now, did you have a chance to compare how our respective schools rank academically, or are you going to continue to make claims not at all based on reality?

Congrats on the rankings. I can find a half dozen articles on how most of those rankings are bunk, too. UNC won't rank very high on those lists because we're not a major research university. We do well in teacher education, music, nursing and undergrad business. Our professors do research, but it's not their priority. Teaching is.