Props to Rand Paul

[Skjellyfetti]

Testifying before Senate Judiciary Committee yesterday:

If I told you that one out of three African-American males is [prohibited] by law from voting, you might think I was talking about Jim Crow, 50 years ago. Yet today a third of African-American males are still prevented from voting because of the war on drugs. The war on drugs has disproportionately affected young black males. The ACLU reports that blacks are four to five times more likely to be convicted for drug possession, although surveys indicate that blacks and whites use drugs at about the same rate. The majority of illegal drug users and dealers nationwide are white, but three-fourths of the people in prison for drug offenses are African American or Latino.

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[grizzaholic]

Testifying before Senate Judiciary Committee yesterday:

If I told you that one out of three African-American males is [prohibited] by law from voting, you might think I was talking about Jim Crow, 50 years ago. Yet today a third of African-American males are still prevented from voting because of the war on drugs. The war on drugs has disproportionately affected young black males. The ACLU reports that blacks are four to five times more likely to be convicted for drug possession, although surveys indicate that blacks and whites use drugs at about the same rate. The majority of illegal drug users and dealers nationwide are white, but three-fourths of the people in prison for drug offenses are African American or Latino.

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So don't use drugs. How fucking hard is that to understand?

[kalm]

Testifying before Senate Judiciary Committee yesterday:



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So don't use drugs. How fucking hard is that to understand?

Said the boozer.

[GrizFanStuckInUtah]

So don't use drugs. How fucking hard is that to understand?

Said the boozer.

Still legal.

[CitadelGrad]

If you don't put the negroes in prison for drug crimes, you'll eventually have to put them in prison for violent crimes against whites.

Just think of prisons as Section 8 housing.

[AZGrizFan]

Testifying before Senate Judiciary Committee yesterday:



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So don't use drugs. How fucking hard is that to understand?

Uh, apparently pretty hard.

[grizzaholic]

So don't use drugs. How fucking hard is that to understand?

Said the boozer.

Last time I checked booze isn't a felony.

[kalm]

Said the boozer.

Last time I checked booze isn't a felony.

Neither is pot.

Love how we don't trust the government with wolves and guns but when it comes to the morality of drug laws???

[Ibanez]

Just like with everything in America, we treat the symptom and wonder why we don't get good results.

[DSUrocks07]

Last time I checked booze isn't a felony.

Neither is pot.

Love how we don't trust the government with wolves and guns but when it comes to the morality of drug laws???

Don't you love the fallacious argument "it's how we've always done it"

[grizzaholic]

Last time I checked booze isn't a felony.

Neither is pot.

Love how we don't trust the government with wolves and guns but when it comes to the morality of drug laws???

I love it how you think all drugs are the same? Don't put words in my mouth I have been very pro pot.

[Grizalltheway]

So don't use drugs. How fucking hard is that to understand?

Uh, apparently pretty hard.

Apparently reading comprehension is pretty tough, too.

although surveys indicate that blacks and whites use drugs at about the same rate.

[AZGrizFan]

Uh, apparently pretty hard.

Apparently reading comprehension is pretty tough, too.

although surveys indicate that blacks and whites use drugs at about the same rate.

Really? SURVEYS?

[Pwns]

Barring felons from voting is hella stupid. It's hypocritical how we act like voting is a sacred untouchable right and that the more voters we have the better (no matter how many willfully ignorant people will be voting) while on the other hand we act like our laws and justice system are so infallible that it can determine whether or not someone should lose the right to vote for life.

If there's anything disenfranchising black folks, it's this and not voter ID laws.

[grizzaholic]

Barring felons from voting is hella stupid. It's hypocritical how we act like voting is a sacred untouchable right and that the more voters we have the better (no matter how many willfully ignorant people will be voting) while on the other hand we act like our laws and justice system are so infallible that it can determine whether or not someone should lose the right to vote for life.

If there's anything disenfranchising black folks, it's this and not voter ID laws.

I don't know the answer so here goes...Not all but most: If you are a felon, is voting high up on your priority list?

[Skjellyfetti]

Really? SURVEYS?

What's a better way to assess the use of drugs by race?

Racist stereotypes?

[YoUDeeMan]

Really? SURVEYS?

What's a better way to assess the use of drugs by race?

Racist stereotypes?

Why assess the use of drugs by race?

[89Hen]

If I told you that one out of three African-American males is [prohibited] by law from voting, you might think I was talking about Jim Crow, 50 years ago.

Only to a fucking idiot who doesn't understand that it's a leading statement.

[Grizalltheway]

What's a better way to assess the use of drugs by race?

Racist stereotypes?

Why assess the use of drugs by race?

Why not?

[AZGrizFan]

Really? SURVEYS?

What's a better way to assess the use of drugs by race?

Racist stereotypes?

Do you REALLY think people who use drugs answer truthfully?

OR are they standing on a streetcorner with an iPad noting the race of buyers?

[blueballs]

To quote my late Dad, "If you're not doing anything wrong you have nothing to worry about."

Each and every one of the drug dealers and felons in prison knew that the felonious behavior they engaged in was illegal and knew- if not exactly then generally- what the risk and potential consequences of that behavior was prior to engaging in it, yet they chose to engage in it and now bear the consequences of their choices and actions.

No pity here whatsoever...

[Skjellyfetti]

Do you REALLY think people who use drugs answer truthfully?

OR are they standing on a streetcorner with an iPad noting the race of buyers?

Well, the survey Rand Paul is talking about (I think) was a survey of over 70k people. That's a big fucking survey that reduces the error you are talking about.

And, yeah... people lie on surveys... especially about things like drug use or abuse.

But, if you are going to disagree with the conclusions you would have to argue that blacks lie more than white people do. If blacks and whites lie on survey at roughly the same rate... it wouldn't change the results of the study and your criticism would be invalid.

[AZGrizFan]

Do you REALLY think people who use drugs answer truthfully?

OR are they standing on a streetcorner with an iPad noting the race of buyers?

Well, the survey Rand Paul is talking about (I think) was a survey of over 70k people. That's a big fucking survey that reduces the error you are talking about.

And, yeah... people lie on surveys... especially about things like drug use or abuse.

But, if you are going to disagree with the conclusions you would have to argue that blacks lie more than white people do. If blacks and whites lie on survey at roughly the same rate... it wouldn't change the results of the study and your criticism would be invalid.

And we'll never know, will we?

[kalm]

To quote my late Dad, "If you're not doing anything wrong you have nothing to worry about."

Each and every one of the drug dealers and felons in prison knew that the felonious behavior they engaged in was illegal and knew- if not exactly then generally- what the risk and potential consequences of that behavior was prior to engaging in it, yet they chose to engage in it and now bear the consequences of their choices and actions.

No pity here whatsoever...

That's the whole point of this argument. We're defining "wrong".

[Chizzang]

To quote my late Dad, "If you're not doing anything wrong you have nothing to worry about."

Each and every one of the drug dealers and felons in prison knew that the felonious behavior they engaged in was illegal and knew- if not exactly then generally- what the risk and potential consequences of that behavior was prior to engaging in it, yet they chose to engage in it and now bear the consequences of their choices and actions.

No pity here whatsoever...

Yes Wall Street criminals "know" the same thing...
They get to keep the money and don't actually go to jail at anything near the same prosecution rate

I'm thinking we should treat all criminals the same