Same-Sex Marriages in NJ to begin Monday!!!

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Skjellyfetti wrote:If you don't think it should be the courts... who should decide what is and what isn't Constitutional?

The legislative branch? That would be a **** of epic proportions.

The executive branch? Talk about monarchy...
There is no perfect solution. But, yes, going to the legislative branch as the final authority on what law and Constitution require would be the best option. Government is supposed to be by the People and the Judicial Branch is farthest from accountability to the People.

What would be nice is if the Judicial Branch restrained itself and remained faithful to its role. You know, make an honest effort to divine original understanding and not interject its own view of what is best. But that hasn't been happening.

The Judicial Branches of both Federal and State governments have been out of control for a long time. I guess when you stick a black robe on somebody and require that everybody stand up when they walk in goes to people's heads too frequently.

But it's not their job to make policy. It's just not.
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Re: Same-Sex Marriages in NJ to begin Monday!!!

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dbackjon wrote:
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Just because someone does not believe in gay marriage and supports it does not mean they are a bigot.

:tothehand:

So what does it make you? Intolerant? Why do you oppose it?









Hint, any answer will end up the same (BIGOTRY)


Why?

Because marriage is between a man and a woman. Have your so called 'civil union' and get all the government perks that go along with that but do not tell me that I am a bigot because I do not embrace your lifestyle.

Have your gay pride parade, fly your rainbow flag and do whatever you want to in your life but do not tell me how to think or what you think should be my thought process.
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JohnStOnge wrote:
Not very libertarian of you... :ohno:

Seriously why would anyone in their right mind have a problem with it?
Being against Judicial fiat is VERY Libertarian. Judges are not supposed to be determining the direction of the society. They're stepping out of their role when they do that. Their job is, or at least it should be, to ask themselves whether or not the people that passed a certain law or ratified certain language to a Constitution understood what they were doing to require or prohibit a certain thing. They are not supposed to exercise their own opinion as to what is best or "just" at all. They are not supposed to impose any will at all. They are not supposed to worry about what they think is best.

But they are not like that. They are completely out of control.

Judges making policy is authoritarianism.
What if a church decides to allow gay marriages in a state where they are outlawed?
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kalm wrote:
JohnStOnge wrote:
Being against Judicial fiat is VERY Libertarian. Judges are not supposed to be determining the direction of the society. They're stepping out of their role when they do that. Their job is, or at least it should be, to ask themselves whether or not the people that passed a certain law or ratified certain language to a Constitution understood what they were doing to require or prohibit a certain thing. They are not supposed to exercise their own opinion as to what is best or "just" at all. They are not supposed to impose any will at all. They are not supposed to worry about what they think is best.

But they are not like that. They are completely out of control.

Judges making policy is authoritarianism.
What if a church decides to allow gay marriages in a state where they are outlawed?
Why would a state outlaw a church? What does that have to do with gay marriage? :coffee:
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Bison Fan in NW MN wrote:
dbackjon wrote:

So what does it make you? Intolerant? Why do you oppose it?









Hint, any answer will end up the same (BIGOTRY)


Why?

Because marriage is between a man and a woman. Have your so called 'civil union' and get all the government perks that go along with that but do not tell me that I am a bigot because I do not embrace your lifestyle.

Have your gay pride parade, fly your rainbow flag and do whatever you want to in your life but do not tell me how to think or what you think should be my thought process.
Fact remains that you ARE a bigot, Mort. Look at yourself in the mirror, after beating off to your Mom and that black guy yesterday, and ask yourself some tough questions.

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LeadBolt wrote:
kalm wrote:
What if a church decides to allow gay marriages in a state where they are outlawed?
Why would a state outlaw a church? What does that have to do with gay marriage? :coffee:
I'd rather have rights and laws defined by a court system than churches. :coffee:
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kalm wrote:
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Why would a state outlaw a church? What does that have to do with gay marriage? :coffee:
I'd rather have rights and laws defined by a court system than churches. :coffee:
So would we all. Nice side step and advoidance of my question as per usual.
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LeadBolt wrote:
kalm wrote:
I'd rather have rights and laws defined by a court system than churches. :coffee:
So would we all. Nice side step and advoidance of my question as per usual.
You're question itself was a dodge and didn't require an answer. :coffee: Unless you were serious...in which case... :lol:
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kalm wrote:
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So would we all. Nice side step and advoidance of my question as per usual.
You're question itself was a dodge and didn't require an answer. :coffee: Unless you were serious...in which case... :lol:
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Cap'n Cat wrote:
Bison Fan in NW MN wrote:


Why?

Because marriage is between a man and a woman. Have your so called 'civil union' and get all the government perks that go along with that but do not tell me that I am a bigot because I do not embrace your lifestyle.

Have your gay pride parade, fly your rainbow flag and do whatever you want to in your life but do not tell me how to think or what you think should be my thought process.
Fact remains that you ARE a bigot, Mort. Look at yourself in the mirror, after beating off to your Mom and that black guy yesterday, and ask yourself some tough questions.

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LOL...If anyone is a bigot on here it is you.

And what kind of moronic post is that you just posted. You keep proving your an a**hole on every board you infect.
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dbackjon wrote:
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You're the most bigoted person on here..., :nod:

Nope - I love and respect everyone - except those who are intolerant of others.

I could care less if you are a racist/sexist/homophobic tool, just don't try to impose your warped morality on me.

Legalizing gay marriage only affects those that participate. Your hatred and bigotry affects others.
So you don't love and respect yourself...
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BDKJMU wrote:
dbackjon wrote:

Nope - I love and respect everyone - except those who are intolerant of others.

I could care less if you are a racist/sexist/homophobic tool, just don't try to impose your warped morality on me.

Legalizing gay marriage only affects those that participate. Your hatred and bigotry affects others.
So you don't love and respect yourself...
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Bison Fan in NW MN wrote:
Cap'n Cat wrote:
Fact remains that you ARE a bigot, Mort. Look at yourself in the mirror, after beating off to your Mom and that black guy yesterday, and ask yourself some tough questions.

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LOL...If anyone is a bigot on here it is you.

And what kind of moronic post is that you just posted. You keep proving your an a**hole on every board you infect.

Son, look who's talking! How you can even show your face in public is amazing!

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