Norway terror attack

[D1B]

Thoughts and prayers to the families who lost a member in this vile, cowardly attack...

Hopefully, Norwegian politicians will pass tough gun control laws that will prevent something like this from ever happening again...




Whats that you say...Norway passed some of the most draconian gun laws in Europe back in 2009 with the claim that the government is prepared to protect its citizens???

How's that working?????

Pretty good, statistically. Now we need to start banning religion, especially christianity, islam and judaism.

[travelinman67]

Thoughts and prayers to the families who lost a member in this vile, cowardly attack...

Hopefully, Norwegian politicians will pass tough gun control laws that will prevent something like this from ever happening again...




Whats that you say...Norway passed some of the most draconian gun laws in Europe back in 2009 with the claim that the government is prepared to protect its citizens???

How's that working?????

Pretty good, statistically. Now we need to start banning religion, especially christianity, islam and judaism.

Great idea, Opie. One homogenized world.

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No varying opinions or beliefs...where govt. tells us what to think, believe and say.












It's still not too late...I think numbnuts started law school in his 40's.

[Skjellyfetti]

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[BDKJMU]

Ky...what you don't understand is if the state takes away guns from law abiding citizens, only the criminals will have them.

Why is our firearm related death rate so high? Is it our culture? Or is it easy access to guns?

I don't know the answer. But, I'm curious what yours would be.

Demographics is probably the biggest of several factors.

Norway intentional homicide rate per 100k avg for decade close to .90. Norway 90 some percent (94?) white.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_co ... icide_rate" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

US, 96'-09' state rankings by murder rate, states with 90=% white population:
50. New Hampshire: .80, 93.9% white.
48, Vermont: 1.1, 95.3% white
48. Iowa: 1.1, 91.3 % white
44. North Dakota: 1.5, 90% white
42. Maine: 2.0, 95.2% white
38. Wyoming: 2.5, 90.7% white (tied with WI)
22. WV 4.6, 93.9% (tied with DE) (still below the national avg of 5.0). WV obviously the outlier here.

19 of the 24 states with the percent of the population over 80% white showed up in the bottom 25 in the murder rate (exceptions being Ohio, Indiana, WV, Pennsylvania, and Missouri, and only 2 of them, PA and MO, were above the national avg of 5.0).

Scroll down over 1/2 way to:
"NATIONWIDE MURDER RATES BY 2009 RANK, HIGHEST TO LOWEST (2008 to 1996 Shown for Comparison) MURDER RATES PER 100,000 PEOPLE"
http://www.deathpenaltyinfo.org/murder- ... tate#MRord" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Demographic breakdown by state, about 1/3rd way down, can adjust rankings for a specified race:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographi ... _ethnicity" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Its not politically correct to say, but it appears demographics in terms of race has a lot to do with the murder rate in the US and is a major factor (but not the only one of course) in explaining the difference between the US and Norway's rate.

[Skjellyfetti]

Nice. Your views on race sound very much like Brevnik's. And JSO's.

I do think that the reason the United States got where it is has to do with the western European civilization. And I am not at all sure that the changing demographics of the United States portends well for its future

^^
That quote could have been plucked right out of the terrorist fuckstick's manifesto.

[clenz]

Nice. Your views on race sound very much like Brevnik's. And JSO's.

I do think that the reason the United States got where it is has to do with the western European civilization. And I am not at all sure that the changing demographics of the United States portends well for its future

^^
That quote could have been plucked right out of the terrorist fuckstick's manifesto.

I'm not saying I agree with the conclusion drawn from the stats....but they do make a compelling argument.


I was going to say to take the murders committed with illegal guns/gang crimes out of America's gun crime rates and you'll get very different numbers.

[D1B]

Pretty good, statistically. Now we need to start banning religion, especially christianity, islam and judaism.

Great idea, Opie. One homogenized world.

[youtube][/youtube]

No varying opinions or beliefs...where govt. tells us what to think, believe and say.












It's still not too late...I think numbnuts started law school in his 40's.

There's more to culture than religion, Dipshit. The least religious nations are the happiest and most free.

[Col Hogan]

Nice. Your views on race sound very much like Brevnik's. And JSO's.

I do think that the reason the United States got where it is has to do with the western European civilization. And I am not at all sure that the changing demographics of the United States portends well for its future

^^
That quote could have been plucked right out of the terrorist ****'s manifesto.

Attack the messenger (BDKJMU) while avoiding the data he provides.....

How do you explain it???

[Cap'n Cat]

Christian fundamentalism...

[Col Hogan]

Christian fundamentalism...

Nice try...but the facts just don't support your theory...

http://www.gallup.com/poll/12091/tracki ... state.aspx" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

http://www.city-data.com/forum/politics ... -rate.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Got any other hair-brained theories???

[kalm]

Why is our firearm related death rate so high? Is it our culture? Or is it easy access to guns?

I don't know the answer. But, I'm curious what yours would be.

Demographics is probably the biggest of several factors.

Norway intentional homicide rate per 100k avg for decade close to .90. Norway 90 some percent (94?) white.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_co ... icide_rate" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

US, 96'-09' state rankings by murder rate, states with 90=% white population:
50. New Hampshire: .80, 93.9% white.
48, Vermont: 1.1, 95.3% white
48. Iowa: 1.1, 91.3 % white
44. North Dakota: 1.5, 90% white
42. Maine: 2.0, 95.2% white
38. Wyoming: 2.5, 90.7% white (tied with WI)
22. WV 4.6, 93.9% (tied with DE) (still below the national avg of 5.0). WV obviously the outlier here.

19 of the 24 states with the percent of the population over 80% white showed up in the bottom 25 in the murder rate (exceptions being Ohio, Indiana, WV, Pennsylvania, and Missouri, and only 2 of them, PA and MO, were above the national avg of 5.0).

Scroll down over 1/2 way to:
"NATIONWIDE MURDER RATES BY 2009 RANK, HIGHEST TO LOWEST (2008 to 1996 Shown for Comparison) MURDER RATES PER 100,000 PEOPLE"
http://www.deathpenaltyinfo.org/murder- ... tate#MRord" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Demographic breakdown by state, about 1/3rd way down, can adjust rankings for a specified race:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographi ... _ethnicity" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Its not politically correct to say, but it appears demographics in terms of race has a lot to do with the murder rate in the US and is a major factor (but not the only one of course) in explaining the difference between the US and Norway's rate.

Poverty and education levels might have something to with it. That would explain WV. countries with a high level of income equality like Norway have lower crime rates. Happy, smart people tend to not be killers - regardless of race.

[houndawg]

Pretty weakly, Col., this whack job apparently owned his legit.

Nor do the gun owners appear to be very oppressed in Norway. Better luck next time.

And everyone else present also owned weapons??? Or were they prevented by the state from self protection???

Its the typical liberal mindset...the state will protect me from crime...from smoking...from transfat...etc, etc, etc...

How about taking responsibility for yourself...which in Norway (and rapidly growing in this country) is not encouraged...

Thus, a wack-job has free reign to inflict as much pain as possible with little to no resistance...

No thank you...

COLONEL! SNAP OUT OF IT MAN! (slap)

It is not hard to own a weapon in Norway, in fact Norwegians are big on sport shooting and huge on biathalon.

Might want to check out gun laws in Norway before you leap into the "government took away all their guns!" bleating mode.

[Gil Dobie]

Approx 67% of murders in the U.S. are gun related. In some of the states with lower numbers, the gun rate is lower as in NH with 4 of 10 murders being gun related.

Link

[Skjellyfetti]

Attack the messenger (BDKJMU) while avoiding the data he provides.....

How do you explain it???

So. You believe blacks are predisposed to violent crimes/gun crimes/murders/etc. as well?

Nice.

[AZGrizFan]

Whats that you say...Norway passed some of the most draconian gun laws in Europe back in 2009 with the claim that the government is prepared to protect its citizens???

How's that working?????

Their firearm related death rate is a fraction of ours.

Well, it just went WAY up.

[Col Hogan]

Attack the messenger (BDKJMU) while avoiding the data he provides.....

How do you explain it???

So. You believe blacks are predisposed to violent crimes/gun crimes/murders/etc. as well?

Nice.

Again, attack the messenger...put words in my mouth...

But you still are avoiding the data...

It it wrong??? If yes, please present what you consider correct...

If it's correct........

[Skjellyfetti]

Again, attack the messenger...put words in my mouth...

But you still are avoiding the data...

It it wrong??? If yes, please present what you consider correct...

If it's correct........

I was asking if you thought that.... hence this at the end of the sentence denoting a "question" --->?

How is that "putting words in your mouth"?

Not ok to ask you to clarify your position?

[Col Hogan]

Again, attack the messenger...put words in my mouth...

But you still are avoiding the data...

It it wrong??? If yes, please present what you consider correct...

If it's correct........

I was asking if you thought that.... hence this at the end of the sentence denoting a "question" --->?

How is that "putting words in your mouth"?

Not ok to ask you to clarify your position?

And once again, you try to deflect and avoid the data...

How do you explain the data that BDKJMU presented?

[Skjellyfetti]

And once again, you try to deflect and avoid the data...

How do you explain the data that BDKJMU presented?

I would need a whole lot more convincing data to believe blacks are predisposed to violence/gun crimes/murder/etc.

A huge, outlandish claim needs huge, overwhelming data and evidence to back it up. There are MANY factors that can account for those states leading the gun crime/violent crime stats. Poverty, employment, etc.



And, you accuse me of deflecting. You STILL haven't answered why you believe Norway's violent crime rate is so much lower than ours.

Is it because there are fewer black people in Norway? (Note: I'm not putting words in your mouth. I'm trying to clarify whether you believe this or not). This seems to be why you believe different areas in the US have higher instances of gun violence.

Again, you refuse to say "yes" or "no" when asked this question on race... so, I can't help but assume you think black people are predisposed to violence. I hope that isn't the case... but, please tell us where you stand.

Certainly would be a bit unsettling if you and BDK were espousing racist sentiments in a thread about a white supremacist nutcase that just killed close to 100 people....

[biobengal]

This type of data is well known in the anthropological literature; however, the underlying cause is not race but homogeneity of race and culture. The explanation goes something like this: the majority of human existence and evolution occurred within small tribes or clans; outside clans and tribes were often overtly hostile. Some nifty little experiments were done where photographs of people in various seemingly threatening poses (some looking like others not looking like the research participant), people were more likely to question the motives and react negatively to people that don't look like them.

There's actually something to the idea that other ethnicities are more difficult to recognize and discriminate than your own; this is a simple evolutionary response. Of course, culture in the U.S. also plays a facto: the urbanization and anonymity in cities, the acceptance and romantization of guns and war, etc.

The same ideas have been applied to social services... countries with homogeneity of race and culture are more likely to accept socialization. Of course, once again, many factors come into play.

Why is our firearm related death rate so high? Is it our culture? Or is it easy access to guns?

I don't know the answer. But, I'm curious what yours would be.

Demographics is probably the biggest of several factors.

Norway intentional homicide rate per 100k avg for decade close to .90. Norway 90 some percent (94?) white.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_co ... icide_rate" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

US, 96'-09' state rankings by murder rate, states with 90=% white population:
50. New Hampshire: .80, 93.9% white.
48, Vermont: 1.1, 95.3% white
48. Iowa: 1.1, 91.3 % white
44. North Dakota: 1.5, 90% white
42. Maine: 2.0, 95.2% white
38. Wyoming: 2.5, 90.7% white (tied with WI)
22. WV 4.6, 93.9% (tied with DE) (still below the national avg of 5.0). WV obviously the outlier here.

19 of the 24 states with the percent of the population over 80% white showed up in the bottom 25 in the murder rate (exceptions being Ohio, Indiana, WV, Pennsylvania, and Missouri, and only 2 of them, PA and MO, were above the national avg of 5.0).

Scroll down over 1/2 way to:
"NATIONWIDE MURDER RATES BY 2009 RANK, HIGHEST TO LOWEST (2008 to 1996 Shown for Comparison) MURDER RATES PER 100,000 PEOPLE"
http://www.deathpenaltyinfo.org/murder- ... tate#MRord" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Demographic breakdown by state, about 1/3rd way down, can adjust rankings for a specified race:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographi ... _ethnicity" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Its not politically correct to say, but it appears demographics in terms of race has a lot to do with the murder rate in the US and is a major factor (but not the only one of course) in explaining the difference between the US and Norway's rate.

[Gil Dobie]

I would say a majority of gun related incidents are over women, drugs(including alcohol) and money.

[Ibanez]

Thoughts and prayers to the families who lost a member in this vile, cowardly attack...

Hopefully, Norwegian politicians will pass tough gun control laws that will prevent something like this from ever happening again...




Whats that you say...Norway passed some of the most draconian gun laws in Europe back in 2009 with the claim that the government is prepared to protect its citizens???

How's that working?????

Pretty good, statistically. Now we need to start banning religion, especially christianity, islam and judaism.

True. Once we take away everyones freedom, we'll export all the blacks and jews. What a stupid fucking comment.

[Col Hogan]

And once again, you try to deflect and avoid the data...

How do you explain the data that BDKJMU presented?

I would need a whole lot more convincing data to believe blacks are predisposed to violence/gun crimes/murder/etc.

A huge, outlandish claim needs huge, overwhelming data and evidence to back it up. There are MANY factors that can account for those states leading the gun crime/violent crime stats. Poverty, employment, etc.



And, you accuse me of deflecting. You STILL haven't answered why you believe Norway's violent crime rate is so much lower than ours.

Is it because there are fewer black people in Norway? (Note: I'm not putting words in your mouth. I'm trying to clarify whether you believe this or not). This seems to be why you believe different areas in the US have higher instances of gun violence.

Again, you refuse to say "yes" or "no" when asked this question on race... so, I can't help but assume you think black people are predisposed to violence. I hope that isn't the case... but, please tell us where you stand.

Certainly would be a bit unsettling if you and BDK were espousing racist sentiments in a thread about a white supremacist nutcase that just killed close to 100 people....

The data is what it is...

I don't believe that any one race, culture, religion, or political persuasion is predisposed to violence...

And I told you earlier I'm not going to do a thesis-level research project to answer a message board question...

It is true that the violent crime rate in the U.S. is higher than in Norway...I don't know why...do you ???

[travelinman67]

Great idea, Opie. One homogenized world.

[youtube][/youtube]

No varying opinions or beliefs...where govt. tells us what to think, believe and say.












It's still not too late...I think numbnuts started law school in his 40's.

There's more to culture than religion, Dipshit. The least religious nations are the happiest and most free.

Suggesting elimination of religious beliefs by govt. edict somehow "frees" people to develop culturally?

You do realize how asinine that sounds?

[D1B]

There's more to culture than religion, Dipshit. The least religious nations are the happiest and most free.

Suggesting elimination of religious beliefs by govt. edict somehow "frees" people to develop culturally?

You do realize how asinine that sounds?

Lighten up Francis, I was exaggerating.

The government should though quit promoting religion and eliminate its tax exempt status. MOF, like with cigarettes, the government should require mandatory warning signs outside of churches to warn shitheads like you what they're getting into.



Funny, the western world flourished both culturally and intellectually, when mandatory religion was cast aside, and the most oppressive and violent and intolerant countries are the most religious.