George Will on Trump

[houndawg]

Always good to see an ordinary billionaire getting his in with the party big boys.

No ****.

And I'm guessing Pwns missed the debate where the oligatchy was acknowledged.

He appears to have missed a lot.

[CID1990]

Glad to see you have a new obsession, Kate

If you don't want me pointing out your daily logical fallacies then don't use them

The Confederate doo rag obsession was getting old- BTW were you ever able to find a pic of me wearing one?

Why would I want one of those?

I'm sure its one of those things that can't be unseen...




Good fishin' this morning, boys. Trolled up an Ivy Leaguer and whatever they call the guy who bites the pillow at the Citadel.

when you call people directly it isnt called trolling, sweetheart - its called stalking

you have to be topical

[houndawg]

Why would I want one of those?

I'm sure its one of those things that can't be unseen...




Good fishin' this morning, boys. Trolled up an Ivy Leaguer and whatever they call the guy who bites the pillow at the Citadel.

when you call people directly it isnt called trolling, sweetheart - its called stalking

you have to be topical

linear thinking.

[Pwns]

How much money has Trump spent compared to guys like Walker and Rubio?

Enough to have twice the poll numbers as the distant 2nd place?

Here's a logical fallacy for you other than the non-sequitur…circular reasoning.

You contention is you have to spend money to win elections, but say that whoever is in the lead must be spending the most money because you have to spend to win elections.

[houndawg]

Enough to have twice the poll numbers as the distant 2nd place?

Here's a logical fallacy for you other than the non-sequitur…circular reasoning.

You contention is you have to spend money to win elections, but say that whoever is in the lead must be spending the most money because you have to spend to win elections.

Is there a point in there somewhere?

[CitadelGrad]

Which RINO will get your support?

Which one gets yours?

None. The last Republican presidential nominee who got my vote was GHW Bush. He was a disappointment. I've been Libertarian ever since.

[houndawg]

Which one gets yours?

None. The last Republican presidential nominee who got my vote was GHW Bush. He was a disappointment. I've been Libertarian ever since.

You must enjoy disappointment.

[LeadBolt]

Donald Trump is a side show. At the end of the day it appears that his objective is to message his ego and gain respectability within the political elite. How far he is willing to go to do that is the question. He will have a very powerful voice in who becomes the next president, using his own money not that of others. I see no way that it will be the Donald and my guess is that when he started, neither did he.

I fail to see how he is ingratiating himself with the political elite, especially the GOP establishment.

Ingratiating himself he is not. Putting himself in a bargaining position to have a say with the political elite in choosing a nominee or getting a plank in a platform he is. I probably mis-spooke on the respectability comment. I see the reason that he won't pledge to support the eventual GOP nominee as a negotiator who does not want to give up a potential leverage point.

[UNI88]

I fail to see how he is ingratiating himself with the political elite, especially the GOP establishment.

Ingratiating himself he is not. Putting himself in a bargaining position to have a say with the political elite in choosing a nominee or getting a plank in a platform he is. I probably mis-spooke on the respectability comment. I see the reason that he won't pledge to support the eventual GOP nominee as a negotiator who does not want to give up a potential leverage point.

They should just make giving the pledge a requirement to participate in the next debate. No pledge, no debate or at least no adult's table.

[CitadelGrad]

None. The last Republican presidential nominee who got my vote was GHW Bush. He was a disappointment. I've been Libertarian ever since.

You must enjoy disappointment.

I've been far more pissed off than disappointed. Clinton, W and Obama have been pretty much what I expected. Low expectations are a good way to avoid disappointment.

[CID1990]

Here's a logical fallacy for you other than the non-sequitur…circular reasoning.

You contention is you have to spend money to win elections, but say that whoever is in the lead must be spending the most money because you have to spend to win elections.

Is there a point in there somewhere?

LOL

I love you houndawg

I needed a good dose of ironical this morning and you delivered

[ASUG8]

You must enjoy disappointment.

I've been far more pissed off than disappointed. Clinton, W and Obama have been pretty much what I expected. Low expectations are a good way to avoid disappointment.

There's nothing quite like setting the bar low and crawling under it.

[Chizzang]

Back on topic:
Why is George Will - Probably the strongest conservative writer in 50 years - writing an apologetics piece..?
And in the process denigrating and also attempting to alienate
the core (base) of the entire Republican voting block..?

This should be alarming by anybodies measuring stick
Those voters that George is so gleefully casting aside
are the only reason ANY Republican holds office ANYWHERE

They are the percentage points needed to win elections across all fronts and on all platforms
This is a fascinating position Mr. Will takes

[kalm]

Back on topic:
Why is George Will - Probably the strongest conservative writer in 50 years - writing an apologetics piece..?
And in the process denigrating and also attempting to alienate
the core (base) of the entire Republican voting block..?

This should be alarming by anybodies measuring stick
Those voters that George is so gleefully casting aside
are the only reason ANY Republican holds office ANYWHERE

They are the percentage points needed to win elections across all fronts and on all platforms
This is a fascinating position Mr. Will takes

Outside pressure sometimes threatens the bubble.

[GannonFan]

Back on topic:
Why is George Will - Probably the strongest conservative writer in 50 years - writing an apologetics piece..?
And in the process denigrating and also attempting to alienate
the core (base) of the entire Republican voting block..?

This should be alarming by anybodies measuring stick
Those voters that George is so gleefully casting aside
are the only reason ANY Republican holds office ANYWHERE

They are the percentage points needed to win elections across all fronts and on all platforms
This is a fascinating position Mr. Will takes

Maybe he believes losing an election for the right reasons is better than winning one for the wrong reasons? Politics shouldn't really have the Al Davis "Just win, baby" motto but too often it does. Mayeb he wants those voters to move to where he is and then win. Just saying.

[Chizzang]

Back on topic:
Why is George Will - Probably the strongest conservative writer in 50 years - writing an apologetics piece..?
And in the process denigrating and also attempting to alienate
the core (base) of the entire Republican voting block..?

This should be alarming by anybodies measuring stick
Those voters that George is so gleefully casting aside
are the only reason ANY Republican holds office ANYWHERE

They are the percentage points needed to win elections across all fronts and on all platforms
This is a fascinating position Mr. Will takes

Maybe he believes losing an election for the right reasons is better than winning one for the wrong reasons? Politics shouldn't really have the Al Davis "Just win, baby" motto but too often it does. Mayeb he wants those voters to move to where he is and then win. Just saying.

Agreed,
This is not necessarily a criticism of Mr. Will / but it is damn fascinating
An example of my shock:
The Center Right has been licking the loony religious fringe balls for so long I didn't expect this
Both parties are typically hell bent on keeping their loony fringe in tow

[CitadelGrad]

Maybe he believes losing an election for the right reasons is better than winning one for the wrong reasons? Politics shouldn't really have the Al Davis "Just win, baby" motto but too often it does. Mayeb he wants those voters to move to where he is and then win. Just saying.

Agreed,
This is not necessarily a criticism of Mr. Will / but it is damn fascinating
An example of my shock:
The Center Right has been licking the loony religious fringe balls for so long I didn't expect this
Both parties are typically hell bent on keeping their loony fringe in tow

What you call the loony religious fringe might be becoming the mainstream. I don't think it has much to do with religion anyway. I think most of the Jesus freaks are supporting Huckabee and he doesn't have much support.

[Seahawks08]

Agreed,
This is not necessarily a criticism of Mr. Will / but it is damn fascinating
An example of my shock:
The Center Right has been licking the loony religious fringe balls for so long I didn't expect this
Both parties are typically hell bent on keeping their loony fringe in tow

What you call the loony religious fringe might be becoming the mainstream. I don't think it has much to do with religion anyway. I think most of the Jesus freaks are supporting Huckabee and he doesn't have much support.

You know what I want to see now? Trump come out and say he's an atheist. I wonder how much support he would lose from that statement.

[CitadelGrad]

What you call the loony religious fringe might be becoming the mainstream. I don't think it has much to do with religion anyway. I think most of the Jesus freaks are supporting Huckabee and he doesn't have much support.

You know what I want to see now? Trump come out and say he's an atheist. I wonder how much support he would lose from that statement.

If he did that, he'd get my vote.

[Chizzang]

Agreed,
This is not necessarily a criticism of Mr. Will / but it is damn fascinating
An example of my shock:
The Center Right has been licking the loony religious fringe balls for so long I didn't expect this
Both parties are typically hell bent on keeping their loony fringe in tow

What you call the loony religious fringe might be becoming the mainstream. I don't think it has much to do with religion anyway. I think most of the Jesus freaks are supporting Huckabee and he doesn't have much support.

I was making an "example"
Non-relational in regards to what political parties will do to keep the fringe
Why would a party work so hard to keep one fringe group (Loony Religious) and cast out the Trumpers

[JohnStOnge]

The cream of the jest is, of course, that that loony business man George refers to was founding member Fred Koch.

Someone may already have corrected you on that but, in case not, Will was referring to Robert Welch, Jr. Welch founded the John Birch Society and circulated a letter containing that language about Eisenhower that Will quoted.

[JohnStOnge]

If he did that, he'd get my vote.

He might get your vote if he said he's an atheist but he'd kill his chances. The Republican Party relies on overwhelming support among Evangelical Christians at least as much as the Democratic Party relies on overwhelming support among Blacks. A Republican Presidential candidate proclaiming himself to be an atheist would be similar to a Democratic Presidential candidate proclaiming himself to be a White Supremacist. It just wouldn't turn out well.

[Chizzang]

If he did that, he'd get my vote.

He might get your vote if he said he's an atheist but he'd kill his chances. The Republican Party relies on overwhelming support among Evangelical Christians at least as much as the Democratic Party relies on overwhelming support among Blacks. A Republican Presidential candidate proclaiming himself to be an atheist would be similar to a Democratic Presidential candidate proclaiming himself to be a White Supremacist. It just wouldn't turn out well.

This ^

[JohnStOnge]

Why would a party work so hard to keep one fringe group (Loony Religious) and cast out the Trumpers

White evangelical Christians accounted for 26 percent of those who voted in the last Presidential election even though it was a year in which they didn't turn out as well as they have in the past. They voted for Romney by 78 to 21 percent over Obama. A group that accounts for about a quarter of the vote is not a fringe group. It's a large and important constituency.

Republicans alienate them and they have no shot. None. As it was the fact that they didn't turn out in the last Presidential election may have cost the Republicans the win. The reason why that Party works so hard to keep that group in its corner is obvious. They'd be fools to alienate White Evangelical Christians to do something like, say, try to get atheists to vote for them when atheists account for 2 to 3 percent of the US population.

[kalm]

Why would a party work so hard to keep one fringe group (Loony Religious) and cast out the Trumpers

White evangelical Christians accounted for 26 percent of those who voted in the last Presidential election even though it was a year in which they didn't turn out as well as they have in the past. They voted for Romney by 78 to 21 percent over Obama. A group that accounts for about a quarter of the vote is not a fringe group. It's a large and important constituency.

Republicans alienate them and they have no shot. None. As it was the fact that they didn't turn out in the last Presidential election may have cost the Republicans the win. The reason why that Party works so hard to keep that group in its corner is obvious. They'd be fools to alienate White Evangelical Christians to do something like, say, try to get atheists to vote for them when atheists account for 2 to 3 percent of the US population.

Sure. But the Democrat Party is economically closer to Jesus than the Republican Party.