The 800-lb Gorilla in the room.

[CID1990]

We inserted a couple hundred "advisors" a few weeks back. Those were likely the special operators with the sat com and such, calling in the intel and controlling the strikes. You aren't going to get many more boots on the ground than that from this president. Afghanistan was his showcase and they outlasted him.

But will that be enough? I don't really want troops on the ground, but weaken ISIS enough so the Kurds, Iraqi Army and Assad can wipe them out.

Theyre driving around in Humvees and Hiluxes out in the open as we speak.

I'd say we could do some first rate degrading of their fighting ability from about 30,000 feet with no worries

hell I'll donate gas money if thats what it takes

[houndawg]

I foolishly watched Daniel Pearl be beheaded.

Would that be considered filming a pearl neckless?

[Ivytalk]

Why is anyone shocked?

We're bombing and killing their people...they are incapable of sending Stealth bombers over here to kill people in a, "clean" fashion...so why are people upset when they attack any of our people within their reach?

Furthermore, I really don't understand why we expect a group of people we are at war with to behave as we behave, and have the same values as we have. It's almost comical to expect that.

They are in it to win, and winning doesn't involve compromising or playing what we consider, "fair."

Obama & Co. love to bomb people while counting anyone killed as an enemy combatant. It is a much more....what?...upscale and nice way to kill people? You know, blowing off arms, legs, or a head with a bomb is more user friendly than cutting of someone's head with a knife.

In the end, it is too bad any American is over there to be killed. But WTF is anyone thinking when they go over there? Seriously? Reporters seem to be coached, or have some disillusion that they are immune to being targeted, as if it is some God given right for them to flit around in a battle zone filming deaths and telling stories (often biased) while getting a free pass from the reality of the situation.

Dude paid the ultimate price for wanting to get a story...then gets filmed saying his situation is America's
fault.

That is a lucid, intelligent, well thought-out objection.

Overruled!

Kill the ISIS army like the vermin they are.

And cordon off Dearborn, Michigan, while you're at it.

[dbackjon]

Can it be done with airpower alone? (ncluding the aforementioned drones, missiles, etc)

Do what?

Kill those assholes by the truckload?

Yes

Yes.

[houndawg]

As I said in another thread: Kill the snake.

It'll be harder to effectively kill it now because we missed the opportunity to inflict very numerous casualties while the group was moving across open desert and not expecting to be attacked from the air. But it still needs to be killed or at least beaten down to the greatest extent possible.

I also think it's wrong headed to think that if we weren't doing certain things we wouldn't have a problem with these people. Islam was founded by a Warlord who ordered his followers to conquer the rest of the world and force everybody to submit to Islam. And his followers have been attempting to do that to varying extents and with varying intensities for over 1300 years now. They're not going to stop and, ultimately, they are not going to be at peace with the idea that the entire world has not submitted to Islam. Not going to happen.

We could become totally isolationists tomorrow, withdraw our military from all foreign soil, and give up all of our international business interests. All that would mean is that people like those in ISIS would grow stronger and be at our doorstep telling us to submit or die some day. That'd be some time after they committed genocide against the Jews in Israel because we were no longer supporting them.

There you go again. Tax and spend.

[DSUrocks07]

We inserted a couple hundred "advisors" a few weeks back. Those were likely the special operators with the sat com and such, calling in the intel and controlling the strikes. You aren't going to get many more boots on the ground than that from this president. Afghanistan was his showcase and they outlasted him.

But will that be enough? I don't really want troops on the ground, but weaken ISIS enough so the Kurds, Iraqi Army and Assad can wipe them out.

They are the only group that has the ability to wipe out ISIS with our help. The Iraqi Army is a shitshow in a can, and Assad already has his hands full.

Although I wonder how much bolder the Kurds will feel afterward as they continue their campaign for independence.

[Ibanez]

I watched the Nick Berg beheading and that was enough for me! Wow WEEE that sucked!!!

#1. The latest dude beheaded was already abducted once in Libya. Bro! THAT'S YOUR SIGN! Change your line of work. Become less adventurous. Satisfy your intellectual curiosity by reading OTHER peoples' warzone blogs. Anything, but DON'T GO TO FUCKING SYRIA NEXT!!!

#2. We make terrorists faster than we are killing them. So the only logical conclusion: let's start killing them faster! It's the only way to keep up!!

I think I saw that one. Terrifying.


Wait a tick...this dude had been kidnaped once before? Damn. What bad luck.

[YoUDeeMan]

"ISIL speaks for no religion," Obama said, using an alternative name for the Islamic State. "Their victims are overwhelmingly Muslim, and no faith teaches people to massacre innocents. No just god would stand for what they did yesterday and what they do every single day."



What just God would stand for us staying in Afghanistan?

What just God would stand for us bombing Libya?

What just God would stand for us doing what we do every day?

Oh, that's right...OUR God.

That's right. Our God would say it doesn't matter if tens of thousands of innocents are getting slaughtered in a foreign land, as long as none are Mericans, stay the f out (a stance I mostly agree with).

So, if Jesus had an army, he would have simply skipped over the whole nice boy image and slaughtered the Romans by the thousands.

Hmmmmm, if only God was powerful enough to have given Jesus access to the world's most technologically advanced army...we wouldn't even need to celebrate Easter.

[BDKJMU]

I watched the Nick Berg beheading and that was enough for me! Wow WEEE that sucked!!!

#1. The latest dude beheaded was already abducted once in Libya. Bro! THAT'S YOUR SIGN! Change your line of work. Become less adventurous. Satisfy your intellectual curiosity by reading OTHER peoples' warzone blogs. Anything, but DON'T GO TO **** SYRIA NEXT!!!

#2. We make terrorists faster than we are killing them. So the only logical conclusion: let's start killing them faster! It's the only way to keep up!!

On top of that:

"At Least 39 Journalists Are Still Missing Worldwide, 20 Missing in Syria

.....However, the CPJ said it believes the deadliest nation for reporters is now Syria due to the country's ongoing civil war.

#Syria most dangerous country for journalists. At least 69 killed in conflict, including some who died over border. http://t.co/WCYIEc00bl.........." onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;.
http://mashable.com/2014/08/20/39-journ ... l-missing/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

WTF was he thinking? Any journalist who goes over there has a death wish. Sucks that he got his head lopped off, but stupidity got him killed.

[YoUDeeMan]

.....However, the CPJ said it believes the deadliest nation for reporters is now Syria due to the country's ongoing civil war.

#Syria most dangerous country for journalists. At least 69 killed in conflict, including some who died over border. http://t.co/WCYIEc00bl.........." onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;.
http://mashable.com/2014/08/20/39-journ ... l-missing/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

WTF was he thinking? Any journalist who goes over there has a death wish. Sucks that he got his head lopped off, but stupidity got him killed.

Ibenie says it was bad luck.

Yes. And if I go swimming with bull sharks when I know that the water is full of blood, TWICE, it would just be a case of bad luck if I were to get attacked.

[Grizalltheway]

All I know is that right now we have a lot of really bad actors out in the open and we should be blotting out the sun with bombers, drones, cruise missiles, you name it.

5-10 years from now we'll be pointing fingers over who missed out on killing the next Bin Laden, while right now he's in Iraq, waving an ISIS flag and smiling fir the cameras.

Well, cluck says none of these guys are in any way a threat to the US, and cluck knows everything, so...

[Ibanez]

.....However, the CPJ said it believes the deadliest nation for reporters is now Syria due to the country's ongoing civil war.

#Syria most dangerous country for journalists. At least 69 killed in conflict, including some who died over border. http://t.co/WCYIEc00bl.........." onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;.
http://mashable.com/2014/08/20/39-journ ... l-missing/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

WTF was he thinking? Any journalist who goes over there has a death wish. Sucks that he got his head lopped off, but stupidity got him killed.

Ibenie says it was bad luck.

Yes. And if I go swimming with bull sharks when I know that the water is full of blood, TWICE, it would just be a case of bad luck if I were to get attacked.

You really are a douche.

[AZGrizFan]

Why is anyone shocked?

We're bombing and killing their people...they are incapable of sending Stealth bombers over here to kill people in a, "clean" fashion...so why are people upset when they attack any of our people within their reach?

Furthermore, I really don't understand why we expect a group of people we are at war with to behave as we behave, and have the same values as we have. It's almost comical to expect that.

They are in it to win, and winning doesn't involve compromising or playing what we consider, "fair."

Yup. I'm not a war historian, but I'd have to believe Korea was the last conflict that had what we consider conventional warfare. Once folks around the world saw how we can't deal with a different kind of ugly war, it was over for conventional warfare, unless China or Russia decides to go at it with us.

Americans (and to a much lesser extent, America) have this sad, misguided notion that you can fight a war "honorably"...thus this little document called the Geneva Convention that was developed that laid out the "rules" for handling prisoners of war and civilians in war zones. Unfortunately, the concepts included in the Geneva Convention were almost immediately ignored by the rest of the world, and only followed by the U.S. (until recently). We can't fight wars with one hand tied behind our backs, and the enemy knows that.

[mrklean]

Which one of you Dyck Heads will be the first one to enlist. Don;t talk about war if you are not will to step up. We don't need another freaking war. We were put into Iraq in 2003 over a big ass lie.

[kalm]

Yup. I'm not a war historian, but I'd have to believe Korea was the last conflict that had what we consider conventional warfare. Once folks around the world saw how we can't deal with a different kind of ugly war, it was over for conventional warfare, unless China or Russia decides to go at it with us.

Americans (and to a much lesser extent, America) have this sad, misguided notion that you can fight a war "honorably"...thus this little document called the Geneva Convention that was developed that laid out the "rules" for handling prisoners of war and civilians in war zones. Unfortunately, the concepts included in the Geneva Convention were almost immediately ignored by the rest of the world, and only followed by the U.S. (until recently). We can't fight wars with one hand tied behind our backs, and the enemy knows that.

Why don't we stoop to their level and start beheading captives and targeting civilians then?

[Ibanez]

Which one of you Dyck Heads will be the first one to enlist. Don;t talk about war if you are not will to step up. We don't need another freaking war. We were put into Iraq in 2003 over a big ass lie.

Well, you better tell Obama we don't need another war. We don't. We should remove ourselves for them region, and I mean remove. 100%. Let them blow each other up. We have more important issues to deal with at home.

[CAA Flagship]

Which one of you Dyck Heads will be the first one to enlist. Don;t talk about war if you are not will to step up. We don't need another freaking war. We were put into Iraq in 2003 over a big ass lie.

Well, you better tell Obama we don't need another war. We don't. We should remove ourselves for them region, and I mean remove. 100%. Let them blow each other up. We have more important issues to deal with at home.

Like ensuring that cigarellos are offered for free to the poor so they don't have to steal them.

[Baldy]

Which one of you Dyck Heads will be the first one to enlist. Don;t talk about war if you are not will to step up. We don't need another freaking war. We were put into Iraq in 2003 over a big ass lie.

It ain't 2003 any more. This one is all on your boy.
Since you love to carry his water like a loyal sycophant, it's time for you to put up or shut up and back his play...sign up today.

[Grizalltheway]

Which one of you Dyck Heads will be the first one to enlist. Don;t talk about war if you are not will to step up. We don't need another freaking war. We were put into Iraq in 2003 over a big ass lie.

It ain't 2003 any more. This one is all on your boy.
Since you love to carry his water like a loyal sycophant, it's time for you to put up or shut up and back his play...sign up today.

Why, because he carried out Bush's agreement withdraw combat troops at the end of 2011, allowing ISIS to fill the void?

[CAA Flagship]

Regarding ISIS:

How many of them are there that they can control so much land? Much of their heavy weapons have been acquired from fighting in Syria and Iraq. It doesn't sound like they would be proficient in the operation of much of this equipment. Supply lines are so critical. Are they really well structured to maintain supply lines needed hold the land they have claimed?

It's one thing to be a terrorist organization that has blended in with the population and be a big pain in the ass, but it's another to conquer such a vast amount of land and control it.

[Baldy]

It ain't 2003 any more. This one is all on your boy.
Since you love to carry his water like a loyal sycophant, it's time for you to put up or shut up and back his play...sign up today.

Why, because he carried out Bush's agreement withdraw combat troops at the end of 2011, allowing ISIS to fill the void?

Really???

“After taking office, I announced a new strategy that would end our combat mission in Iraq and remove all of our troops by the end of 2011,” he said. “So today, I can report that, as promised, the rest of our troops in Iraq will come home by the end of the year.”

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wSTnaSqP-KE[/youtube]

[YoUDeeMan]

Which one of you Dyck Heads will be the first one to enlist. Don;t talk about war if you are not will to step up. We don't need another freaking war. We were put into Iraq in 2003 over a big ass lie.

And Obama is keeping us in Afghanistan over a big lie. And Obushma took out Kwadaffy over a big lie. And Obomba is just another boy doing his thing in the Oval Office.

BTW, you should stop talking about race riots unless you are willing to step up and participate.

Enlisting is for dopes. Nothing but a slave going to war for someone else's profits and lies.

[Grizalltheway]

Why, because he carried out Bush's agreement withdraw combat troops at the end of 2011, allowing ISIS to fill the void?

Really???

“After taking office, I announced a new strategy that would end our combat mission in Iraq and remove all of our troops by the end of 2011,” he said. “So today, I can report that, as promised, the rest of our troops in Iraq will come home by the end of the year.”

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wSTnaSqP-KE[/youtube]

Yes REALLY!!!!!1

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/U.S.%E2%80 ... _Agreement" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Talk about

[Ibanez]

Which one of you Dyck Heads will be the first one to enlist. Don;t talk about war if you are not will to step up. We don't need another freaking war. We were put into Iraq in 2003 over a big ass lie.

And Obama is keeping us in Afghanistan over a big lie. And Obushma took out Kwadaffy over a big lie. And Obomba is just another boy doing his thing in the Oval Office.

BTW, you should stop talking about race riots unless you are willing to step up and participate.

Enlisting is for dopes. Nothing but slave going to war for someone else's profits and lies.

Obama: Bush 2. The Failure Continues.

[andy7171]

Enlisting is for dopes. nod:

Oh snap! USS Waynefan just got torpedoed broadside and is going down fast!!!