Chris Christie-Rand Paul feud over NSA

[Baldy]

No doubt about that, and that's an effective strategy if you want to president of the tri-state area. If you want to be president of the country, you have to act in the best interest of everyone. For the vast majority of the country, adhering to the constitution and valuing freedom over security is more important.

In no way am I saying that he shouldn't empathize with those of his state and region over what happened. However, I don't see what diminishing my unalienable and civil rights have to do with protection.

BTW, your assumption based on my location isn't accurate.

Can you be specific over what "unalienable and civil rights" of yours have been infringed...

Versus the shock media that Fox will have you believe.

Prolly has something to do with that horribly inconvenient 4th Amendment thingy.

[bluehenbillk]

So specifically how has anyone on here been subject to such atrocities at the hands of our evil government? Details...

[AZGrizFan]

No doubt about that, and that's an effective strategy if you want to president of the tri-state area. If you want to be president of the country, you have to act in the best interest of everyone. For the vast majority of the country, adhering to the constitution and valuing freedom over security is more important.

In no way am I saying that he shouldn't empathize with those of his state and region over what happened. However, I don't see what diminishing my unalienable and civil rights have to do with protection.

BTW, your assumption based on my location isn't accurate.

Can you be specific over what "unalienable and civil rights" of yours have been infringed...

Versus the shock media that Fox will have you believe.

NSA
IRS
Cell phone records
HLS
Gun control attempts
"transparency"
whistleblower vs "traitors"

[AZGrizFan]

So specifically how has anyone on here been subject to such atrocities at the hands of our evil government? Details...

So, specifically, unless you PERSONALLY are affected by these atrocities you are fine with them?

[bluehenbillk]

So specifically how has anyone on here been subject to such atrocities at the hands of our evil government? Details...

So, specifically, unless you PERSONALLY are affected by these atrocities you are fine with them?

Is it hearsay or is it fact?

I'm not even going to touch the gun control comment....

And I retract the use of the word atrocity, as it isn't appropriate here - my bad.

[ASUMountaineer]

No doubt about that, and that's an effective strategy if you want to president of the tri-state area. If you want to be president of the country, you have to act in the best interest of everyone. For the vast majority of the country, adhering to the constitution and valuing freedom over security is more important.

In no way am I saying that he shouldn't empathize with those of his state and region over what happened. However, I don't see what diminishing my unalienable and civil rights have to do with protection.

BTW, your assumption based on my location isn't accurate.

Can you be specific over what "unalienable and civil rights" of yours have been infringed...

Versus the shock media that Fox will have you believe.

Could you make a rational statement void of brash assumptions?

I don't even know what channel Fox News is on DirecTV, I rarely watch cable news. If I do, it's Morning Joe.

Your apparent acceptance of PATRIOT Act policies sounds more like you're the one that watches Fox News. Read the PATRIOT Act, and get back to me.

Would I be correct in assuming you're one of these, "I have nothing to hide so they can spy on my all they want" kind of guys?

[ASUMountaineer]

Can you be specific over what "unalienable and civil rights" of yours have been infringed...

Versus the shock media that Fox will have you believe.

Prolly has something to do with that horribly inconvenient 4th Amendment thingy.

Irrelevant, apparently.

[bluehenbillk]

Christie for President - 2016!!

[AZGrizFan]

So, specifically, unless you PERSONALLY are affected by these atrocities you are fine with them?

Is it hearsay or is it fact?

I'm not even going to touch the gun control comment....

And I retract the use of the word atrocity, as it isn't appropriate here - my bad.

Yeah, I wouldn't want to touch the gun control comment if I were you either. totally blows your theory of "mythical" atrocies right out of the water, doesn't it?

Is the IRS targeting of one side of the political spectrum heresay?
Is the NSA illegally wiretapping and gathering phone records without warrants heresay?
Is the continued attempts to roll back RIGHTS guaranteed by the consitution heresay?

You tell me.

[BDKJMU]

Disagree on both counts.

I'll make a prediction. Neither Hiladabeast nor Christie will be the next POTUS....

Well what Democrat are you going to pick then......names...

None.

[SDHornet]

Disagree. An (R) getting into the White House won’t depend on any of the stuff listed in this thread. Government spending, NSA, Christie cozying up to Obama during Sandy won’t matter. If the repubs drop the ball on immigration they can kiss any support from team brown good-bye and forget about winning a presidential election for 2016 and possibly beyond.

BS. So called political "experts" said the SAME thing in 86' when Congress passed amnesty and Reagan signed it. Well, guess what? The Rs got a lower % of the Hispanic vote in 88'

Giving amnesty with Citizenship to 11 million illegals will cost them lost votes from their base. It won't gain then anything from Hispanics.

Amnesty for illegal aliens does not win votes and never has won votes
http://www.examiner.com/article/amnesty ... -won-votes" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Wasn’t saying it would swing team brown into the repub corner, but was indicating that it would help the repubs with a way to land significant portions of the brown voting base. According to the graph linked in your article, the numbers sway all over the board until recently when the repub rhetoric has taken a largely anti-immigration/no to everything stance (see ’08 & ’12). Well drop the ball on immigration and you can pencil in large discrepancies with the brown vote from here on out. Good luck overcoming that hole come ’16.

[BDKJMU]

BS. So called political "experts" said the SAME thing in 86' when Congress passed amnesty and Reagan signed it. Well, guess what? The Rs got a lower % of the Hispanic vote in 88'

Giving amnesty with Citizenship to 11 million illegals will cost them lost votes from their base. It won't gain then anything from Hispanics.

Amnesty for illegal aliens does not win votes and never has won votes
http://www.examiner.com/article/amnesty ... -won-votes" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Wasn’t saying it would swing team brown into the repub corner, but was indicating that it would help the repubs with a way to land significant portions of the brown voting base. According to the graph linked in your article, the numbers sway all over the board until recently when the repub rhetoric has taken a largely anti-immigration/no to everything stance (see ’08 & ’12). Well drop the ball on immigration and you can pencil in large discrepancies with the brown vote from here on out. Good luck overcoming that hole come ’16.

None of that will matter. With Obamacare & Dodd/Fwank taking full effect by the beginning of 14', along with the Fed eventually being forced to quit propping up the economy with funny $$ (QE3), the economy is going to go in the sh*tter. And in 2016 after 8 years of sh*tty economy the donks won't be able to still blame GW like they did in 2012.

[blueballs]

A little off subject but go try to get a mortgage originators license and then get back to me about intrusive government.

[SDHornet]

Wasn’t saying it would swing team brown into the repub corner, but was indicating that it would help the repubs with a way to land significant portions of the brown voting base. According to the graph linked in your article, the numbers sway all over the board until recently when the repub rhetoric has taken a largely anti-immigration/no to everything stance (see ’08 & ’12). Well drop the ball on immigration and you can pencil in large discrepancies with the brown vote from here on out. Good luck overcoming that hole come ’16.

None of that will matter. With Obamacare & Dodd/Fwank taking full effect by the beginning of 14', along with the Fed eventually being forced to quit propping up the economy with funny $$ (QE3), the economy is going to go in the sh*tter. And in 2016 after 8 years of sh*tty economy the donks won't be able to still blame GW like they did in 2012.

Wasn't the economy in the shitter for the '12 election? Jesus how bad will it have to be for repubs to have a shot at the WH?

[SDHornet]

A little off subject but go try to get a mortgage originators license and then get back to me about intrusive government.

Apparently you haven't flown on an airplane lately.

[UNI88]

I'll disagree. It's a much easier statement to make from North Carolina. The closer you love to NYC the more likely it is that you knew people, or you knew people that knew people that lost family/co-workers/friends whatever in the 9/11 attacks. You can bet as the governor of NJ Christie has met thousands of such people. When you live it, & live it continually it makes sense to those people more than anyone that you want to do everything in your power to prevent it from happening again.

No doubt about that, and that's an effective strategy if you want to president of the tri-state area. If you want to be president of the country, you have to act in the best interest of everyone. For the vast majority of the country, adhering to the constitution and valuing freedom over security is more important.

In no way am I saying that he shouldn't empathize with those of his state and region over what happened. However, I don't see what diminishing my unalienable and civil rights have to do with protection.

BTW, your assumption based on my location isn't accurate.

Well said on both posts Mountie!

[ASUMountaineer]

No doubt about that, and that's an effective strategy if you want to president of the tri-state area. If you want to be president of the country, you have to act in the best interest of everyone. For the vast majority of the country, adhering to the constitution and valuing freedom over security is more important.

In no way am I saying that he shouldn't empathize with those of his state and region over what happened. However, I don't see what diminishing my unalienable and civil rights have to do with protection.

BTW, your assumption based on my location isn't accurate.

Well said on both posts Mountie!

Thanks bud!

[BDKJMU]

None of that will matter. With Obamacare & Dodd/Fwank taking full effect by the beginning of 14', along with the Fed eventually being forced to quit propping up the economy with funny $$ (QE3), the economy is going to go in the sh*tter. And in 2016 after 8 years of sh*tty economy the donks won't be able to still blame GW like they did in 2012.

Wasn't the economy in the shitter for the '12 election? Jesus how bad will it have to be for repubs to have a shot at the WH?

Yes it was but they were able to get enough of the masses to believe it was still Bush's fault. That won't work in 16'. Like I already said. Try to keep up.

[bluehenbillk]

None of that will matter. With Obamacare & Dodd/Fwank taking full effect by the beginning of 14', along with the Fed eventually being forced to quit propping up the economy with funny $$ (QE3), the economy is going to go in the sh*tter. And in 2016 after 8 years of sh*tty economy the donks won't be able to still blame GW like they did in 2012.

Obamacare won't hit until 2015 at the earliest in full, not '14. I like the Fed's course right now & if the GDP keeps accelerating they will successfully be able to pull back as they said they eventually will. All I know is I look at my 401(k) every month & it's humming along at a great pace recently. All is well, all is well, all is well.

[GannonFan]

None of that will matter. With Obamacare & Dodd/Fwank taking full effect by the beginning of 14', along with the Fed eventually being forced to quit propping up the economy with funny $$ (QE3), the economy is going to go in the sh*tter. And in 2016 after 8 years of sh*tty economy the donks won't be able to still blame GW like they did in 2012.

Obamacare won't hit until 2015 at the earliest in full, not '14. I like the Fed's course right now & if the GDP keeps accelerating they will successfully be able to pull back as they said they eventually will. All I know is I look at my 401(k) every month & it's humming along at a great pace recently. All is well, all is well, all is well.

That's the beauty of the 401k right now - it's basically tied to the stock market and the stock market has been doing well in spite of the economy being pretty crappy. As long as you have a job, you should be doing well in terms of investments. Thankfully the health of the stock market and the economy appear to be completely separate things.

[Skjellyfetti]

To the vast majority of the country, adhering to the constitution and valuing freedom over security is more important.

Not convinced of this at all. Remember the 2004 election and gwb and cheney scaring everyone into believing that Kerry was weak on security because he wanted to weaken the patriot act, etc.

This was before libertarianism was en vogue -- back when you partied with your GWB cutout. Haha.

http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=WrOOKxbnNuM#" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Maybe things have changed now... but, I doubt it. Too many people with the 'if you don't have anything to hide, you have nothing to worry about' attitude.

[BDKJMU]

None of that will matter. With Obamacare & Dodd/Fwank taking full effect by the beginning of 14', along with the Fed eventually being forced to quit propping up the economy with funny $$ (QE3), the economy is going to go in the sh*tter. And in 2016 after 8 years of sh*tty economy the donks won't be able to still blame GW like they did in 2012.

Obamacare won't hit until 2015 at the earliest in full, not '14. I like the Fed's course right now & if the GDP keeps accelerating they will successfully be able to pull back as they said they eventually will. All I know is I look at my 401(k) every month & it's humming along at a great pace recently. All is well, all is well, all is well.

And I remember people looking at their 401ks in early 2000 and early 2008 saying all is well, all is well, all is well. They'll eventually have to stop artificially propping up the economy with funny $$ (QE3). Can't do that forever. Combined with the devastating effects of Obamacare the bubble is going to burst and when you look at your 401K you going to be saying "0h shit, oh shit, oh shit."

[ASUMountaineer]

To the vast majority of the country, adhering to the constitution and valuing freedom over security is more important.

Not convinced of this at all. Remember the 2004 election and gwb and cheney scaring everyone into believing that Kerry was weak on security because he wanted to weaken the patriot act, etc.

This was before libertarianism was en vogue -- back when you partied with your GWB cutout. Haha.

http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=WrOOKxbnNuM#" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Maybe things have changed now... but, I doubt it. Too many people with the 'if you don't have anything to hide, you have nothing to worry about' attitude.

I understand satire is lost on you, so I won't address the GWB cutout--which has been retired. I do need a new one, though...any suggestions? Do you have that video bookmarked? It's not easy to find.

Anyways, I agree with the part I bolded, but I do think it's changing (2004 was almost a decade ago)...but we'll see.

[houndawg]

Christie is playing his cards smart. He has to get the establishment behind him to support his bid...of course that means he would just be another one of the "meet the new boss, same as the old boss" types we have had cycling through the White House for the past few decades. Nothing new to see here.

I don't think so. A lot of R primary voters won't forget 2012 (cozying up to Barry along with the bear hug & words of praise right before the election). Now you have him alienating more primary voters....

R primary voters are the best thing that ever happened to the donks. And political cartoonists.

Also sodomy.

[BDKJMU]

I don't think so. A lot of R primary voters won't forget 2012 (cozying up to Barry along with the bear hug & words of praise right before the election). Now you have him alienating more primary voters....

R primary voters are the best thing that ever happened to the donks. And political cartoonists.

Also sodomy.

Al Gore....John Kerry....
D primary voters are the best thing that ever happened to the conks. And political cartoonists.