IRS Sent Same Letter to Democrats That Fed Tea Party Row

[houndawg]

Show me where I said Bush caused the AP scandal, the IRS chief is a Bush appointee, and that Benghazi wouldn't have happened if not for Bush.

My point is that this stuff is business as usual and that regardless of who gets elected, more surveillance, more drones, and the continuing war on civil liberties are whats for supper and that the way has been cleared for the DHS by the so-called Patriot Act.

All some government piece of **** has to do is say they think you're a terrorist and you disappear and there ain't no due process for, what, a decade or more, in Gitmo?

Again, the AP scandal was not/not USAPatriot compliant.


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Really? Is that your way of saying: "I can't show you where you said what I said you said."

[kalm]

Again, the AP scandal was not/not USAPatriot compliant.


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Really? Is that your way of saying: "I can't show you where you said what I said you said."

Take it easy Dawg. They don't like it when you discuss the politics behind these issues.

[houndawg]

Really? Is that your way of saying: "I can't show you where you said what I said you said."

Take it easy Dawg. They don't like it when you discuss the politics behind these issues.

I'm still trying to figure out what "..the AP scandal was not/not USAPatriot compliant." means.

[CID1990]

Take it easy Dawg. They don't like it when you discuss the politics behind these issues.

I'm still trying to figure out what "..the AP scandal was not/not USAPatriot compliant." means.

You are saying that we have USAPatriot to thank for the AP scandal.

I am saying that a blanket grab of AP phone records without a warrant is not within the permissions regime of USAPatriot.

It isn't my fault if you can't figure it out. Suggest you go read the USAPatriot codes and see where it provides for grabbing bulk media phone records, even under national security terms, as is being claimed right now. There are already laws governing what was done, and those laws were broken. Holder himself has confirmed this.

[houndawg]

I'm still trying to figure out what "..the AP scandal was not/not USAPatriot compliant." means.

You are saying that we have USAPatriot to thank for the AP scandal.

I am saying that a blanket grab of AP phone records without a warrant is not within the permissions regime of USAPatriot.

It isn't my fault if you can't figure it out. Suggest you go read the USAPatriot codes and see where it provides for grabbing bulk media phone records, even under national security terms, as is being claimed right now. There are already laws governing what was done, and those laws were broken. Holder himself has confirmed this.

You believe a word that comes out of Holder's mouth?

[Baldy]

Take it easy Dawg. They don't like it when you discuss the politics behind these issues.

I'm still trying to figure out what "..the AP scandal was not/not USAPatriot compliant." means.

It's simple...

There are only 3 ways you can obtain confidential phone records:

1. Good old fashioned subpoena where the prosecuting attorney has to show probably cause.
2. A Grand Jury can subpoena phone records in which the US Attorney has to notify the person being targeted (they didn't).
3. An agent to agent request (with regards to the Patriot Act) where one agent gives another agent a search warrant to obtain phone records. BUT that is only in cases of "national security" in dealing with an imminent threat by a terrorist or terrorist organization. The AP might be a mouthpiece of the Obama regime, but they aren't a terrorist organization...thus not compliant with the Patriot Act.

Holder should be hung from the nearest tree.

[houndawg]

I'm still trying to figure out what "..the AP scandal was not/not USAPatriot compliant." means.

It's simple...

There are only 3 ways you can obtain confidential phone records:

1. Good old fashioned subpoena where the prosecuting attorney has to show probably cause.
2. A Grand Jury can subpoena phone records in which the US Attorney has to notify the person being targeted (they didn't).
3. An agent to agent request (with regards to the Patriot Act) where one agent gives another agent a search warrant to obtain phone records. BUT that is only in cases of "national security" in dealing with an imminent threat by a terrorist or terrorist organization. The AP might be a mouthpiece of the Obama regime, but they aren't a terrorist organization...thus not compliant with the Patriot Act.

Holder should be hung from the nearest tree.

Thanks.

That's more readable than govt. jargon like ".. not/not USAPatriot compliant." Why the extra "not"?

Holder may still go - but you don't throw all the sandbags out of your balloon at once or unnecessarily ..

[kalm]

Holder might be king POS in city full of POS's.

[ASUMountaineer]

I agree completely with this post. See Ganny? It's really not all that difficult.

Obama is smarter than Bush, and meaner than Cheney, and the irony is that the Bush Administration's war on civil liberties made it a hell of a lot easier for these guys. Smfh at these Stupid conk fvcks getting ugly-sticked with their own unnecessary Patriot Act and useless Department of Homeland Security.

This is, perhaps, the most rational sentence you've ever posted. Kudos for that.

However, the "they did it first" excuse is just as stupid. When should we hold the president accountable? When the president is a Republican? Take off the party glasses and say when wrong is wrong.

[kalm]

Obama is smarter than Bush, and meaner than Cheney, and the irony is that the Bush Administration's war on civil liberties made it a hell of a lot easier for these guys. Smfh at these Stupid conk fvcks getting ugly-sticked with their own unnecessary Patriot Act and useless Department of Homeland Security.

This is, perhaps, the most rational sentence you've ever posted. Kudos for that.

However, the "they did it first" excuse is just as stupid. When should we hold the president accountable? When the president is a Republican? Take off the party glasses and realize that wrong is wrong.

If it came from the white house then the president should completely be held accountable.

BTW, just heard today that all of these targeted groups were applying for tax exempt status rather than being audited. If they're political groups posing as charities, they should be scrutinized. Just sayin.

[ASUMountaineer]

This is, perhaps, the most rational sentence you've ever posted. Kudos for that.

However, the "they did it first" excuse is just as stupid. When should we hold the president accountable? When the president is a Republican? Take off the party glasses and realize that wrong is wrong.

If it came from the white house then the president should completely be held accountable.

BTW, just heard today that all of these targeted groups were applying for tax exempt status rather than being audited. If they're political groups posing as charities, they should be scrutinized. Just sayin.

I don't think anyone would disagree with them being scrutinized. However, doing so the way that they did is wrong. Just sayin.

[kalm]

If it came from the white house then the president should completely be held accountable.

BTW, just heard today that all of these targeted groups were applying for tax exempt status rather than being audited. If they're political groups posing as charities, they should be scrutinized. Just sayin.

I don't think anyone would disagree with them being scrutinized. However, doing so the way that they did is wrong. Just sayin.

They shouldn't be singled out for being right leaning...and that's truly the problem here. I would expect the same scrutiny of the occupy movement...if they actually had a physical address and didn't live in tents on public spaces...the filthy hippies.

[ASUMountaineer]

I don't think anyone would disagree with them being scrutinized. However, doing so the way that they did is wrong. Just sayin.

They shouldn't be singled out for being right leaning...and that's truly the problem here. I would expect the same scrutiny of the occupy movement...if they actually had a physical address and didn't live in tents on public spaces...the filthy hippies.

Agreed. This is outrageous, and I don't care about Houndawg's constant rebuttal of "but...but...he did it first." It should have been outrageous whenever it was done before, and should be outrageous now.

[houndawg]

They shouldn't be singled out for being right leaning...and that's truly the problem here. I would expect the same scrutiny of the occupy movement...if they actually had a physical address and didn't live in tents on public spaces...the filthy hippies.

Agreed. This is outrageous, and I don't care about Houndawg's constant rebuttal of "but...but...he did it first." It should have been outrageous whenever it was done before, and should be outrageous now.

You're misconstruing a bit too - I get that Holder is a POS all on his own and that he has plenty of company in the administration- when I refer back to Bush it is to point out that these things that get created and implemented in moments of panic as a response just to look like you're doing something can really come back and bite you in the ass when the other guys take power. Obama is wrong all on his own for continuing the war on civil liberties -but that war on civil liberties was made a whole lot easier for Obama, and every future President, by the Bush admins babies like the DHS and the so-called Patriot Act.

[ASUMountaineer]

Agreed. This is outrageous, and I don't care about Houndawg's constant rebuttal of "but...but...he did it first." It should have been outrageous whenever it was done before, and should be outrageous now.

You're misconstruing a bit too - I get that Holder is a POS all on his own and that he has plenty of company in the administration- when I refer back to Bush it is to point out that these things that get created and implemented in moments of panic as a response just to look like you're doing something can really come back and bite you in the ass when the other guys take power. Obama is wrong all on his own for continuing the war on civil liberties -but that war on civil liberties was made a whole lot easier for Obama, and every future President, by the Bush admins babies like the DHS and the so-called Patriot Act.

As I said on the other thread, I agree. But, it would help if you said it that way as opposed to, "Bush did it." (paraphrased of course)

[CID1990]

Agreed. This is outrageous, and I don't care about Houndawg's constant rebuttal of "but...but...he did it first." It should have been outrageous whenever it was done before, and should be outrageous now.

You're misconstruing a bit too - I get that Holder is a POS all on his own and that he has plenty of company in the administration- when I refer back to Bush it is to point out that these things that get created and implemented in moments of panic as a response just to look like you're doing something can really come back and bite you in the ass when the other guys take power. Obama is wrong all on his own for continuing the war on civil liberties -but that war on civil liberties was made a whole lot easier for Obama, and every future President, by the Bush admins babies like the DHS and the so-called Patriot Act.

I am not entirely sure Obama himself is giving the orders to do things like this.

That aside, the Patriot Act is immaterial to the AP scandal. I'm not defending USAPatriot, just saying that what was done in the DoJ/AP thing was not under the auspices of the Patriot Act. DHS also has nothing to do with this. Are you confusing the DoJ (Holder) with DHS (Big Sis)?

[houndawg]

You're misconstruing a bit too - I get that Holder is a POS all on his own and that he has plenty of company in the administration- when I refer back to Bush it is to point out that these things that get created and implemented in moments of panic as a response just to look like you're doing something can really come back and bite you in the ass when the other guys take power. Obama is wrong all on his own for continuing the war on civil liberties -but that war on civil liberties was made a whole lot easier for Obama, and every future President, by the Bush admins babies like the DHS and the so-called Patriot Act.

I am not entirely sure Obama himself is giving the orders to do things like this.

That aside, the Patriot Act is immaterial to the AP scandal. I'm not defending USAPatriot, just saying that what was done in the DoJ/AP thing was not under the auspices of the Patriot Act.DHS also has nothing to do with this. Are you confusing the DoJ (Holder) with DHS (Big Sis)?

I get it when you say it like that, and yes I'm probably confusing the two. When you say "..not/not compliant with.." it reads like two negatives make a positve, to me anyway.

I don't care if Obama giving orders or not, he hasn't done anything to change the fact that you can be held incommunicado, without due process, for more than a decade because somebody said you were a terrorist. I expected Bush and his goons to wipe their asses with the Constitution, I expected better from Obama.

[YoUDeeMan]

I expected better from Obama.

The mindset behind that expectation is part of your problem. You were suckered, but you can't blame Obama for that.

[BDKJMU]

I expected better from Obama.

The mindset behind that expectation is part of your problem. You were suckered, but you can't blame Obama for that.

Yeah, another one who fell for that "Hope and Change" BS.

[kalm]

The mindset behind that expectation is part of your problem. You were suckered, but you can't blame Obama for that.

Yeah, another one who fell for that "Hope and Change" BS.

If there was an R in front of his name you would have fallen for it.

[grizzaholic]

Yeah, another one who fell for that "Hope and Change" BS.

If there was an R in front of his name you would have fallen for it.

Now now. no need for name calling...

[BDKJMU]

Yeah, another one who fell for that "Hope and Change" BS.

If there was an R in front of his name you would have fallen for it.

No, because I don't fall for liberal Rs.

[kalm]

If there was an R in front of his name you would have fallen for it.

No, because I don't fall for liberal Rs.

Yes! Kalm wins! Obama is an R!

[kalm]

If there was an R in front of his name you would have fallen for it.

Now now. no need for name calling...

Shut it...dick!

[CID1990]

Yeah, another one who fell for that "Hope and Change" BS.

If there was an R in front of his name you would have fallen for it.

Nobody with an R in front of their name has received my vote in a national election since George HW Bush.


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