Bargaining With Fascists?

[UNI88]

I took it down to add to it and reposted it doofus

I’d prefer it if you posted non-“doofus”.

But then you wouldn't understand it ...

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[kalm]

Obama was a continuation of neoliberalism dressed up as progressivism. FDR’s economics helped the middle class.

Obama is a chameleon but underneath it all, he is a Chicago machine politician.

FDR's policies created a culture of dependence that we're still plagued by today.

An honest comparison of both would probably show that both did things that were necessary at the time.

• The income tax rates that Reagan inherited were absurd and needed to be cut. Cutting them to a reasonable level helped to spur an age of digital innovation that has benefited people around the world. Was it wise to continue cutting taxes without comparable cuts in spending? No.
• FDR inherited a crappy economic situation and put in place mechanisms to get people working and saving. Much of what he put in place should have been sunsetted as people got back on their feet rather than becoming a permanent part of the growing and byzantine federal bureaucracy.

We passed the point of diminishing returns on both Reagan's and FDR's policies not long after they left office.

Now that’s not an unfair take at all.

I would argue that FDR’s policies provided more long-term growth and stability for the middle class than Reagan’s. And while there are negative unintended effects of regulation the same obviously goes for deregulation.

The world needs ditch diggers too vs. ditch diggers precede capital. They not only help drive the engine but ARE still the engine when it comes to consumption. The US poverty line is around $30,000 for a family of four. It’s not impossible to survive at that level, but all levels have an expectation for a certain standard of living and all feel they work hard enough to achieve it. Our economy is built on that spending from the masses to achieve it. It’s the old Henry Ford paying his workers enough to buy his autos and still afford the same standard of living.

Honestly, I appreciate your reminders regarding the slippery slope of socialism creep. I just happen to have as big of a concern regarding neo-feudalism.

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FDR's policies created a culture of dependence?

The entire nation pulled itself out of a Great Depression caused by the upper class, went on to fight WWII, save Western civilization and democracy, go to space, and build the most prosperous middle-class the world had ever seen.

People will actually work hard for their country when their country cares about them.

[kalm]

FDR's policies created a culture of dependence?

The entire nation pulled itself out of a Great Depression caused by the upper class, went on to fight WWII, save Western civilization and democracy, go to space, and build the most prosperous middle-class the world had ever seen.

People will actually work hard for their country when their country cares about them.

They (FDR’s policies) did though. We became dependent on a higher standard of living.

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Continuing to increase the standard of living is the entire point of humanity, everywhere in the world and throughout history.

Fundamentally, governments are a pact between some people (within their timeline) trying to find the best way to do this.

I've said it before, but this is why today's brand of conservatism doesn't work at a human level. The world moves forward whether we like it or not. It used to be that conks (like Eisenhower) wanted to see the world progress, but differed on the economics of making it work. Now conks just straight up want to stop major advances forward. Eisenhower would be a socialist beta cuck libtard in today's GOP.

[kalm]

Continuing to increase the standard of living is the entire point of humanity, everywhere in the world and throughout history.

Fundamentally, governments are a pact between some people (within their timeline) trying to find the best way to do this.

I've said it before, but this is why today's brand of conservatism doesn't work at a human level. The world moves forward whether we like it or not. It used to be that conks (like Eisenhower) wanted to see the world progress, but differed on the economics of making it work. Now conks just straight up want to stop major advances forward. Eisenhower would be a socialist beta cuck libtard in today's GOP.

I don’t disagree at all. That’s the centrist view if you use the rest of the industrialized world and domestic polling on expectations of wealth, security, opportunity, and health as metrics.

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Agree, I want to see a lot more from the United States in my lifetime.

There's no reason we shouldn't lead the world for standards of living, happiness, healthcare, and infrastructure. 100% green energy, high speed rail network, electrified mobility, curing cancer, planetary bases...all achievable if we just put our mind and labor into it.

Getting back on track starts by returning wealth back to the middle-class though. We've given voodoo free-market economics two shots now and both times it lead to bread lines, xenophobia, increasing inequality, and upward transfers of wealth.

Believe it or not, younger people are not ready to let an authoritarian nation like China become the defacto world leader. We know the threat their ideology poses, but it's hard to pitch western democracy when we continue to fail our own people.

[Col Hogan]

How does one react when a racist fascist Nazi helps you???

https://www.latimes.com/opinion/story/2 ... ssion=true

[AZGrizFan]

Continuing to increase the standard of living is the entire point of humanity, everywhere in the world and throughout history.

Fundamentally, governments are a pact between some people (within their timeline) trying to find the best way to do this.

I've said it before, but this is why today's brand of conservatism doesn't work at a human level. The world moves forward whether we like it or not. It used to be that conks (like Eisenhower) wanted to see the world progress, but differed on the economics of making it work. Now conks just straight up want to stop major advances forward. Eisenhower would be a socialist beta cuck libtard in today's GOP.

What complete and utter horseshit.

[kalm]

How does one react when a racist fascist Nazi helps you???

https://www.latimes.com/opinion/story/2 ... ssion=true

Tousle their hair and give ‘em a hearty “atta boy!”

[UNI88]

FDR's policies created a culture of dependence?

The entire nation pulled itself out of a Great Depression caused by the upper class, went on to fight WWII, save Western civilization and democracy, go to space, and build the most prosperous middle-class the world had ever seen.

People will actually work hard for their country when their country cares about them.

They (FDR’s policies) did though. More of us became dependent on the government to provide.

FYP

I love it when Kalm comes in and mansplains liberal thought for us.

[UNI88]

FDR's policies created a culture of dependence?

The entire nation pulled itself out of a Great Depression caused by the upper class, went on to fight WWII, save Western civilization and democracy, go to space, and build the most prosperous middle-class the world had ever seen.

People will actually work hard for their country when their country cares about them.

Yes they did.

The comparisons between each party's continued dependence on FDR/Reagan's approach and the diminishing returns of those approaches are valid. Too bad we can't seem to elect people who can think creatively rather than rehashing tired, old ideas.

[kalm]

They (FDR’s policies) did though. More of us became dependent on the government to provide.

FYP

I love it when Kalm comes in and mansplains liberal thought for us.

Au contraire...I’m actually trying to help some of you understand through a neutral lens.

Either government or the owner class provide that standard of living for most people. When both fail, you either reduce consumption, deplete savings, borrow, or grab your pitchfork.

Greed is a part of human nature. There are only so many bootstrap enabled entrepreneurs and resources.

[UNI88]

FYP

I love it when Kalm comes in and mansplains liberal thought for us.

Au contraire...I’m actually trying to help some of you understand through a neutral lens.

Either government or the owner class provide that standard of living for most people. When both fail, you either reduce consumption, deplete savings, borrow, or grab your pitchfork.

Greed is a part of human nature. There are only so many bootstrap enabled entrepreneurs and resources.

More mansplaining ...

[kalm]

Au contraire...I’m actually trying to help some of you understand through a neutral lens.

Either government or the owner class provide that standard of living for most people. When both fail, you either reduce consumption, deplete savings, borrow, or grab your pitchfork.

Greed is a part of human nature. There are only so many bootstrap enabled entrepreneurs and resources.

More mansplaining ...

Well I didn’t know I was talking to a bunch of chicks, but ok. You were running out of clever retorts anyway.

[UNI88]

More mansplaining ...

Well I didn’t know I was talking to a bunch of chicks, but ok. You were running out of clever retorts anyway.

Mansplaining is typically to a woman/women but not exclusively.

And I enjoy turning liberal criticisms against them.

[HI54UNI]

How does one react when a racist fascist Nazi helps you???

https://www.latimes.com/opinion/story/2 ... ssion=true

I wonder if this is Travis's sister?

[AZGrizFan]

How does one react when a racist fascist Nazi helps you???

https://www.latimes.com/opinion/story/2 ... ssion=true

I wonder if this is Travis's sister?

But I can offer a standing invitation to make amends. Not with a snowplow but by recognizing the truth about the Trump administration and, more important, by working for justice for all those whom the administration harmed. Only when we work shoulder to shoulder to repair the damage of the last four years will we even begin to dig out of this storm.

I swear, I thought this was a Babylon Bee article....”repair the damage”....WAFJ.

[kalm]

Well I didn’t know I was talking to a bunch of chicks, but ok. You were running out of clever retorts anyway.

Mansplaining is typically to a woman/women but not exclusively.

And I enjoy turning liberal criticisms against them.

Of course you do. That’s why you’re my favorite conk.

[BDKJMU]

Agree, I want to see a lot more from the United States in my lifetime.

There's no reason we shouldn't lead the world for standards of living, happiness, healthcare, and infrastructure. 100% green energy, high speed rail network, electrified mobility, curing cancer, planetary bases...all achievable if we just put our mind and labor into it.

Getting back on track starts by returning wealth back to the middle-class though. We've given voodoo free-market economics two shots now and both times it lead to bread lines, xenophobia, increasing inequality, and upward transfers of wealth.

Believe it or not, younger people are not ready to let an authoritarian nation like China become the defacto world leader. We know the threat their ideology poses, but it's hard to pitch western democracy when we continue to fail our own people.

Rainbows and unicorns..

[BDKJMU]

FDR's policies created a culture of dependence?

The entire nation pulled itself out of a Great Depression caused by the upper class, went on to fight WWII, save Western civilization and democracy, go to space, and build the most prosperous middle-class the world had ever seen.

People will actually work hard for their country when their country cares about them.

They (FDR’s policies) did though. We became dependent on a higher standard of living.

And you know what? FDR didn’t put up with BS environmental impact studies, lawsuits, and govt regs. He just got shit built FAR faster than its built today.

He wouldn’t have cancelled Keystone. He would have made it bigger, and built it faster..

[BDKJMU]

I wonder if this is Travis's sister?

But I can offer a standing invitation to make amends. Not with a snowplow but by recognizing the truth about the Trump administration and, more important, by working for justice for all those whom the administration harmed. Only when we work shoulder to shoulder to repair the damage of the last four years will we even begin to dig out of this storm.

I swear, I thought this was a Babylon Bee article....”repair the damage”....WAFJ.

Or the Onion. What a bunch of garbage.

[Ibanez]

The cult of Reagan isn't anywhere close to the cult of Trump. It's more on par with the cults of Obama, Kennedy and FDR.

Yeah. In 2008 people weren't wrapping their cars and boats in Obama's image, flying flags, wearing clothes with his name and face in the way that MAGA has.

Really, we shouldn't be shocked. Trump knows how to brand (but somehow is abysmal at PR).

[Ibanez]

How does one react when a racist fascist Nazi helps you???

https://www.latimes.com/opinion/story/2 ... ssion=true

I guess you be an adult and say thank you?

[kalm]

They (FDR’s policies) did though. We became dependent on a higher standard of living.

And you know what? FDR didn’t put up with BS environmental impact studies, lawsuits, and govt regs. He just got shit built FAR faster than its built today.

He wouldn’t have cancelled Keystone. He would have made it bigger, and built it faster..

Who knows how a 2021 version of FDR would have treated environmental issues.

Those “BS” regulations have also improved standard of living and add value to the economy.