What Libertarianism Isn't

[kalm]

The term "reactionary" was brought by you to the conversation in reply to a point I was making. If you weren't in such a hurry to talk past me, you might understand the conversation better.

For example, when would the market had gotten around to building Grand Coulee Dam?

I'd start with the notion that government sucks, but it does some good things ahead of when the market does...then go on from there. I'm here to help temper your neo liberalism...

No, you shoveled a load of horsecrap, got called on it for the sheer ridiculousness, and now you're playing the "you didn't understand what i was saying because Im so nuanced" game

government is 100% reactive-reactionary-whatever the hell you want to call it. it responds to events only and lately cannot even do THAT properly

your premise that our government is sometimes out ahead of markets is false- I really have no idea where this liberal love affair with government comes from

Trust me, being in business, I have a shit ton of direct issues with the government on an almost daily basis. There's no lover affair, just a recognition that it's necessary and that ours has pulled the right strings on more than a few occasions to the benefit of many.

I gave you examples of where government was ahead of the markets, several of which not only weren't reactionary but one might say visionary. There are tons more.

I can only lead you so far. It's ok to admit you're wrong sometimes.

[CID1990]

No, you shoveled a load of horsecrap, got called on it for the sheer ridiculousness, and now you're playing the "you didn't understand what i was saying because Im so nuanced" game

government is 100% reactive-reactionary-whatever the hell you want to call it. it responds to events only and lately cannot even do THAT properly

your premise that our government is sometimes out ahead of markets is false- I really have no idea where this liberal love affair with government comes from

Trust me, being in business, I have a **** ton of direct issues with the government on an almost daily basis. There's no lover affair, just a recognition that it's necessary and that ours has pulled the right strings on more than a few occasions to the benefit of many.

I gave you examples of where government was ahead of the markets, several of which not only weren't reactionary but one might say visionary. There are tons more.

I can only lead you so far. It's ok to admit you're wrong sometimes.

when you come up with a REAL example of visionary government in the US after the founding, then I'll discuss it with you

I'm still wiping away the tears of laughter at your "ahead of markets" comment

[kalm]

Trust me, being in business, I have a **** ton of direct issues with the government on an almost daily basis. There's no lover affair, just a recognition that it's necessary and that ours has pulled the right strings on more than a few occasions to the benefit of many.

I gave you examples of where government was ahead of the markets, several of which not only weren't reactionary but one might say visionary. There are tons more.

I can only lead you so far. It's ok to admit you're wrong sometimes.

when you come up with a REAL example of visionary government in the US after the founding, then I'll discuss it with you

I'm still wiping away the tears of laughter at your "ahead of markets" comment

Louisiana Purchase...practically right out of the gates.

[Grizalltheway]

Don't forget Seward's Folly.

[kalm]

There were something like 1200 inventions that came out of the moon mission, including Velcro. Velcro!

[DSUrocks07]

There were something like 1200 inventions that came out of the moon mission, including Velcro. Velcro!

And none of those were used to get humans back there

[Chizzang]

And none of those were used to get humans back there

okay..?
I'm failing to see the relevance of this observation