Israel-Palestine Drama Thread

[BDKJMU]

Told this story before on here a couple of time, but it’s probably been a decade or so. In March 2005 went to a wedding in Chicago for my 2nd cousin. If I can remember it right my 2nd cousin’s soon to be husband’s brother in law was the younger brother to a guy by the name of Jack Ryan. Ryan won the March 2004 R primary for R Senator Peter Fitzgerald IL Senate seat (Fitzgerald wasn’t running for re election) The winner of the D primary was a guy by the name of Barack Obama. Ryan was supposedly going to have a good chance against Obama (may have been favored, don’t remember), but Ryan had to drop out that June due to scandal.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jack_Ryan_(politician)
The R’s ended up appointing a terrible candidate (Alan Keyes) to replace Ryan, whom Obama trounced that fall. And the rest is history.

The night before the wedding there was a pre wedding reception at the Lincoln Park home of the younger Ryan brother (he was early 40s at the time). (Jack Ryan as I recall wasn’t there). It was his wife’s brother that was marrying my 2nd cousin. The house at the time had to be multi million dollar. The younger Ryan apparently was an investment banker. Anyway, remember talking to the younger Ryan brother that night and the next night after the wedding reception at a bar. Talked some I-AA. This was only a few months after JMU had won the 2004 NC. The younger Ryan brother was a QB for Dartmouth in the early/mid 80s. Apparently Jack Ryan also played at Dartmouth.

Little did we know at the time that within the next 3 2/3 years Obama would win the 2008 donk primary and presidency. Years later I wondered if Jack Ryan hadn’t had that scandal would he have defeated Obama in that 04’ senate race, which likely would have meant Obama never becomes president

Anyway, I know. Cool story bro.

I remember that scandal. It involved his wife at the time, Jeri Ryan of Star Trek fame (7 of 9) and sex clubs/swinging. He definitely had a shot against Obama if he hadn't pissed himself.

Yep. And I assumed Fitzgerald (elected 1998) was the last statewide conk anything elected in IL. I just looked up it was Mark Kirk 2011-2017. Don‘t even remember him.

[UNI88]

I remember that scandal. It involved his wife at the time, Jeri Ryan of Star Trek fame (7 of 9) and sex clubs/swinging. He definitely had a shot against Obama if he hadn't pissed himself.

Yep. And I assumed Fitzgerald (elected 1998) was the last statewide conk anything elected in IL. I just looked up it was Mark Kirk 2011-2017. Don‘t even remember him.

Kirk worked for Congressman John Porter before running himself and was elected to fill Obama's seat after Blagojevich tried to auction it off. He was a good Congressman (you would have called him a RINO). He lost to Duckworth.

[kalm]

I don’t blame you for cheering on Ganny. He’s far more capable than you and you clearly needed the help. Sadly…you still fell short.

God bless Ganny for explaining it to you as if you're a special needs kid because I refuse to hold your hand any longer.

And god bless you for missing my response to his post,

[BDKJMU]

Even the Clintons are giving credit to Trump, as much as it must pain them.

This is definitely a W for trump. An adult should be able to acknowledge something like that regardless of their feelings about trump (or whoever has accomplished the W).

[Baldy]

God bless Ganny for explaining it to you as if you're a special needs kid because I refuse to hold your hand any longer.

And god bless you for missing my response to his post,

Even though your response was forgettable, I didn't miss it. It was just like all your responses...unoriginal, ineffective, and trite.

[kalm]

And god bless you for missing my response to his post,

Even though your response was forgettable, I didn't miss it. It was just like all your responses...unoriginal, ineffective, and trite.

You clearly missed it. It was literally just statements from Israeli government officials admitting genocide.

Or…

[Baldy]

Even though your response was forgettable, I didn't miss it. It was just like all your responses...unoriginal, ineffective, and trite.

You clearly missed it. It was literally just statements from Israeli government officials admitting genocide.

Admitting genocide? Ok......



This goes back to what I said earlier. How much do you want to bet that if I went and searched Mehdi Hasan's Twitter feed, I would find every one of those quotes that you posted.

Unoriginal and trite.

[kalm]

You clearly missed it. It was literally just statements from Israeli government officials admitting genocide.

Admitting genocide? Ok......



This goes back to what I said earlier. How much do you want to bet that if I went and searched Mehdi Hasan's Twitter feed, I would find every one of those quotes that you posted.

Unoriginal and trite.

Knock yourself out. Mehdi is a damn good journalist and FTR i didn’t get them from his site. I don’t recall where I found them but there are numerous articles on the subject and I haven’t seen anyone challenging the accuracy of the quotes. But by all means keep floundering here. It’s entertaining.

[Baldy]

Admitting genocide? Ok......



This goes back to what I said earlier. How much do you want to bet that if I went and searched Mehdi Hasan's Twitter feed, I would find every one of those quotes that you posted.

Unoriginal and trite.

Knock yourself out. Mehdi is a damn good journalist and FTR i didn’t get them from his site. I don’t recall where I found them but there are numerous articles on the subject and I haven’t seen anyone challenging the accuracy of the quotes. But by all means keep floundering here. It’s entertaining.

I'm not questioning the validity of the quotes at all.

Equating what they said as some sort of proof of grand mastering a genocide is psychotic.

[GannonFan]

Knock yourself out. Mehdi is a damn good journalist and FTR i didn’t get them from his site. I don’t recall where I found them but there are numerous articles on the subject and I haven’t seen anyone challenging the accuracy of the quotes. But by all means keep floundering here. It’s entertaining.

I'm not questioning the validity of the quotes at all.

Equating what they said as some sort of proof of grand mastering a genocide is psychotic.

Again, if genocide was truly the goal and the intent, it wouldn't have taken that long to kill all the Palestinians in the Gaza strip (and I guess they would need to move to eliminating people in the West Bank too). Even by the very questionable, Hamas-supplied number of casualties, it was 71k people killed. Out of more than 2 million. Ware crimes and indiscriminate (and even sometimes purposeful) killings are bad enough and warrant real investigation and prosecution. But that doesn't mean it rises to genocide.

[kalm]

I'm not questioning the validity of the quotes at all.

Equating what they said as some sort of proof of grand mastering a genocide is psychotic.

Again, if genocide was truly the goal and the intent, it wouldn't have taken that long to kill all the Palestinians in the Gaza strip (and I guess they would need to move to eliminating people in the West Bank too). Even by the very questionable, Hamas-supplied number of casualties, it was 71k people killed. Out of more than 2 million. Ware crimes and indiscriminate (and even sometimes purposeful) killings are bad enough and warrant real investigation and prosecution. But that doesn't mean it rises to genocide.

genocide
noun [ C or U ]
US /ˈdʒen.ə.saɪd/ UK /ˈdʒen.ə.saɪd/

the crime of intentionally destroying part or all of a national, ethnic, racial, or religious group, by killing people or by other methods:

The violence was reminiscent of the 1994 genocide in Rwanda.

The country is still recovering from one of the worst genocides in modern times.

victims of genocide

[UNI88]

Again, if genocide was truly the goal and the intent, it wouldn't have taken that long to kill all the Palestinians in the Gaza strip (and I guess they would need to move to eliminating people in the West Bank too). Even by the very questionable, Hamas-supplied number of casualties, it was 71k people killed. Out of more than 2 million. Ware crimes and indiscriminate (and even sometimes purposeful) killings are bad enough and warrant real investigation and prosecution. But that doesn't mean it rises to genocide.

genocide
noun [ C or U ]
US /ˈdʒen.ə.saɪd/ UK /ˈdʒen.ə.saɪd/

the crime of intentionally destroying part or all of a national, ethnic, racial, or religious group, by killing people or by other methods:

The violence was reminiscent of the 1994 genocide in Rwanda.

The country is still recovering from one of the worst genocides in modern times.

victims of genocide

While you can argue that it's genocide, IMO calling it that actually distracts from the point you want to make because you get bogged down into trying to prove that it is genocide. It would be better to argue that the Israeli attacks are war crimes then the focus shifts to the acts themselves rather than definitions.

[Baldy]

Again, if genocide was truly the goal and the intent, it wouldn't have taken that long to kill all the Palestinians in the Gaza strip (and I guess they would need to move to eliminating people in the West Bank too). Even by the very questionable, Hamas-supplied number of casualties, it was 71k people killed. Out of more than 2 million. Ware crimes and indiscriminate (and even sometimes purposeful) killings are bad enough and warrant real investigation and prosecution. But that doesn't mean it rises to genocide.

genocide
noun [ C or U ]
US /ˈdʒen.ə.saɪd/ UK /ˈdʒen.ə.saɪd/

the crime of intentionally destroying part or all of a national, ethnic, racial, or religious group, by killing people or by other methods:

The violence was reminiscent of the 1994 genocide in Rwanda.

The country is still recovering from one of the worst genocides in modern times.

victims of genocide

You're wishcasting.

Compare the violence in Gaza to Germany or Japan in the aftermath of WWII. 600,00 to 800,000 Japanese civilians and approximately 2 million German civilians died. Using your highly inaccurate definition, were the Allied forces committing genocide?

[kalm]

genocide
noun [ C or U ]
US /ˈdʒen.ə.saɪd/ UK /ˈdʒen.ə.saɪd/

the crime of intentionally destroying part or all of a national, ethnic, racial, or religious group, by killing people or by other methods:

The violence was reminiscent of the 1994 genocide in Rwanda.

The country is still recovering from one of the worst genocides in modern times.

victims of genocide

You're wishcasting.

Compare the violence in Gaza to Germany or Japan in the aftermath of WWII. 600,00 to 800,000 Japanese civilians and approximately 2 million German civilians died. Using your highly inaccurate definition, were the Allied forces committing genocide?

Semantics. The definition is not mine, it’s from Cambridge. Is casualty count a part of the definition?

As UNI implied you’re avoiding the point which is Israel are not the good guys either.

The victims in this are the common people of both sides. Hamas is evil as is the Israeli government. Both should be condemned.

Disagree?

[BDKJMU]

genocide
noun [ C or U ]
US /ˈdʒen.ə.saɪd/ UK /ˈdʒen.ə.saɪd/

the crime of intentionally destroying part or all of a national, ethnic, racial, or religious group, by killing people or by other methods:

The violence was reminiscent of the 1994 genocide in Rwanda.

The country is still recovering from one of the worst genocides in modern times.

victims of genocide

You're wishcasting.

Compare the violence in Gaza to Germany or Japan in the aftermath of WWII. 600,00 to 800,000 Japanese civilians and approximately 2 million German civilians died. Using your highly inaccurate definition, were the Allied forces committing genocide?

Exactly. About 1%-2% of Gaza‘s population has been killed, mostly due to Hamas embedding themselves in schools, hospitals, apartment buildings, etc. The furthest thing from a genocide.

[Caribbean Hen]

And god bless you for missing my response to his post,

Even though your response was forgettable, I didn't miss it. It was just like all your responses...unoriginal, ineffective, and trite.

Arguing with Klam is a waste of time, he is like a mentally challenged BOT early AI that is emotionless and doesn’t feel the pain of being publicly embarrassed nor have the ability to learn from his past mistakes

How else are going you explain him?

But you’re unoriginal, effective and unimaginative is about as close as you can get.

[GannonFan]

You're wishcasting.

Compare the violence in Gaza to Germany or Japan in the aftermath of WWII. 600,00 to 800,000 Japanese civilians and approximately 2 million German civilians died. Using your highly inaccurate definition, were the Allied forces committing genocide?

Semantics. The definition is not mine, it’s from Cambridge. Is casualty count a part of the definition?

As UNI implied you’re avoiding the point which is Israel are not the good guys either.

The victims in this are the common people of both sides. Hamas is evil as is the Israeli government. Both should be condemned.

Disagree?

I do. I may not like the Israeli government, but I wouldn't classify them as evil, and I certainly wouldn't put them on the same footing as Hamas. Hamas wants the complete destruction of Israel, and all the Jews living there, who they consider to be demons and force the education of their young to learn that, to be slaughtered. You saw what happened on October 7th when they had a chance to kill Jews, in some cases they ripped woman apart limb by limb while they were being raped. At no logical point do I consider the Israeli government to be comparable to Hamas.

[kalm]

Even though your response was forgettable, I didn't miss it. It was just like all your responses...unoriginal, ineffective, and trite.

Arguing with Klam is a waste of time, he is like a mentally challenged BOT early AI that is emotionless and doesn’t feel the pain of being publicly embarrassed nor have the ability to learn from his past mistakes

How else are going you explain him?

But you’re unoriginal, effective and unimaginative is about as close as you can get.

You should probably quit trying then. The feels are getting to you.

[Caribbean Hen]

Arguing with Klam is a waste of time, he is like a mentally challenged BOT early AI that is emotionless and doesn’t feel the pain of being publicly embarrassed nor have the ability to learn from his past mistakes

How else are going you explain him?

But you’re unoriginal, effective and unimaginative is about as close as you can get.

You should probably quit trying then. The feels are getting to you.

Yeah, I probably should but it’s just too damn profitable

[kalm]

You should probably quit trying then. The feels are getting to you.

Yeah, I probably should but it’s just too damn profitable

I’ll bite. How so?

[Caribbean Hen]

Yeah, I probably should but it’s just too damn profitable

I’ll bite. How so?

Really?

Serious question…. Do you have short-term memory loss?

[kalm]

I’ll bite. How so?

Really?

Serious question…. Do you have short-term memory loss?

Yes. As a matter of fact I legitimately do.

Besides, your posts are mostly forgettable.

[Caribbean Hen]

Really?

Serious question…. Do you have short-term memory loss?

Yes. As a matter of fact I legitimately do.

Besides, your posts are mostly forgettable.

Just because you don’t agree with my post, doesn’t make them forgettable

I would suspect your addiction to marijuana has a lot to do with it

[UNI88]

Yes. As a matter of fact I legitimately do.

Besides, your posts are mostly forgettable.

Just because you don’t agree with my post, doesn’t make them forgettable

I would suspect your addiction to marijuana has a lot to do with it

Your obsession with kalm's marijuana use is just weird.

[kalm]

Yes. As a matter of fact I legitimately do.

Besides, your posts are mostly forgettable.

Just because you don’t agree with my post, doesn’t make them forgettable

I would suspect your addiction to marijuana has a lot to do with it

Addiction?