Uh Oh Christie...

[kalm]

Not all of them...and I'll bet many conservatives voted for Bush twice.

Like I said: Conservatives are figuring it out....progressives, not so much. Bush was 3 elections ago.

Conservatives nominated Romney.

[grizzaholic]

Like I said: Conservatives are figuring it out....progressives, not so much. Bush was 3 elections ago.

Conservatives nominated Romney.

Ron Paul was better...

And in 20 years you will still be blaming Bush. Idiot

[AZGrizFan]

Like I said: Conservatives are figuring it out....progressives, not so much. Bush was 3 elections ago.

Conservatives nominated Romney.

But he wasn't elected....see the difference?

[93henfan]

Americans are even more stupid than we gave them credit for.

Anyone voting for either of those candidates or for either party going forward is stupid.

2012 was the first presidential election I didn't vote in and I do not intend to vote in 2016. I did vote in 2013 because I wanted to vote against Terry McAulife. It didn't work.

I think I'm pretty much done voting altogether.

[kalm]

Conservatives nominated Romney.

Ron Paul was better...

And in 20 years you will still be blaming Bush. Idiot

I do not blame Bush for Romney.

(I voted for Johnson who is a better libertarian than Paul anyway)

[kalm]

Conservatives nominated Romney.

But he wasn't elected....see the difference?

No.

[AZGrizFan]

But he wasn't elected....see the difference?

No.

[kalm]

No.

Whatever, 89hen.

[AZGrizFan]

Whatever, 89hen.

Let me explain it for you: Donks voted Obama lockstep, twice, like good little robots. Conks are starting to figure out that there's no measurable difference and are NOT blindly supporting the candidate with the "R" behind his/her name as in years past. Donks view it as the Republican party crumbling. I view it as the Conservative movement being ahead of the "progressive" movement in realizing that the only way TRUE change is going to happen is if we stop doing the same things over and over and expecting a different result. That's why recent elections have put people like Rand Paul and Ted Cruz into D.C. Conservatives call them heros. Donks call them terrorists.

I'll leave you to figure out the rest.

[Cap'n Cat]

Whatever, 89hen.

Let me explain it for you: Donks voted Obama lockstep, twice, like good little robots. Conks are starting to figure out that there's no measurable difference and are NOT blindly supporting the candidate with the "R" behind his/her name as in years past. Donks view it as the Republican party crumbling. I view it as the Conservative movement being ahead of the "progressive" movement in realizing that the only way TRUE change is going to happen is if we stop doing the same things over and over and expecting a different result. That's why recent elections have put people like Rand Paul and Ted Cruz into D.C. Conservatives call them heros. Donks call them terrorists.

I'll leave you to figure out the rest.

[Chizzang]

Let me explain it for you: Donks voted Obama lockstep, twice, like good little robots. Conks are starting to figure out that there's no measurable difference and are NOT blindly supporting the candidate with the "R" behind his/her name as in years past. Donks view it as the Republican party crumbling. I view it as the Conservative movement being ahead of the "progressive" movement in realizing that the only way TRUE change is going to happen is if we stop doing the same things over and over and expecting a different result. That's why recent elections have put people like Rand Paul and Ted Cruz into D.C. Conservatives call them heros. Donks call them terrorists.

I'll leave you to figure out the rest.

Lock step..?
It's nowhere near as complex as you make it AZ

First: 90+% of both parties vote lock step every election
Second: It's the some odd 10% in the middle that shift one way or the other and swing elections

Your "theory" needs work

[JohnStOnge]

Second: It's the some odd 10% in the middle that shift one way or the other and swing elections

That's what's sad. The percentage may not be exactly right but the fact is that it's people who have no clue as to a consistent view of what they want in terms of the direction of the country who determine who wins. You've got somewhere around two thirds of the country who know what they want, and they're roughly split.

Then you've got these idiots in the middle who don't know what they want and end up controlling who wins. And I'm not being too harsh. If you are somebody who votes for Bush over Kerry one election then votes for Obama over McCain the next election you really have no comprehensive concept with respect to what you want. You just don't.

Yet we act as though these people in the "middle" are something special. Like they're REALLY smart because they don't pick a side.

The opposite is the case. They're idiots. Sometimes they may have high IQs. But it's still a stupid way to behave.

[Chizzang]

Second: It's the some odd 10% in the middle that shift one way or the other and swing elections

That's what's sad. The percentage may not be exactly right but the fact is that it's people who have no clue as to a consistent view of what they want in terms of the direction of the country who determine who wins. You've got somewhere around two thirds of the country who know what they want, and they're roughly split.

Then you've got these idiots in the middle who don't know what they want and end up controlling who wins. And I'm not being too harsh. If you are somebody who votes for Bush over Kerry one election then votes for Obama over McCain the next election you really have no comprehensive concept with respect to what you want. You just don't.

Yet we act as though these people in the "middle" are something special. Like they're REALLY smart because they don't pick a side.

The opposite is the case. They're idiots. Sometimes they may have high IQs. But it's still a stupid way to behave.

Meh...
Not really John
It all depends on how seriously you take this kind of thing
And you obviously think its very serious - so you judge them - through a very serious lens

In truth none of it really matters
The continual Political shenanigans and maneuverings are meaningless & millimetrical pomp

What really matters (for each of is) is what we do with our deeper (inner) personal lives
And to call somebody who understand this an idiot says a lot more about YOU... than it does them

You (YOU JOHN) Need to really watch this...

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g0xIXghxyUk[/youtube]

Sonder. You are the main character—the protagonist—the star at the center of your own unfolding story. You're surrounded by your supporting cast: friends and family hanging in your immediate orbit. Scattered a little further out, a network of acquaintances who drift in and out of contact over the years. But there in the background, faint and out of focus, are the extras. The random passersby. Each living a life as vivid and complex as your own. They carry on invisibly around you, bearing the accumulated weight of their own ambitions, friends, routines, mistakes, worries, triumphs and inherited craziness. When your life moves on to the next scene, theirs flickers in place, wrapped in a cloud of backstory and inside jokes and characters strung together with countless other stories you'll never be able to see. That you'll never know exists. In which you might appear only once. As an extra sipping coffee in the background. As a blur of traffic passing on the highway. As a lighted window at dusk."

[kalm]

That's what's sad. The percentage may not be exactly right but the fact is that it's people who have no clue as to a consistent view of what they want in terms of the direction of the country who determine who wins. You've got somewhere around two thirds of the country who know what they want, and they're roughly split.

Then you've got these idiots in the middle who don't know what they want and end up controlling who wins. And I'm not being too harsh. If you are somebody who votes for Bush over Kerry one election then votes for Obama over McCain the next election you really have no comprehensive concept with respect to what you want. You just don't.

Yet we act as though these people in the "middle" are something special. Like they're REALLY smart because they don't pick a side.

The opposite is the case. They're idiots. Sometimes they may have high IQs. But it's still a stupid way to behave.

Meh...
Not really John
It all depends on how seriously you take this kind of thing
And you obviously think its very serious - so you judge them - through a very serious lens

In truth none of it really matters
The continual Political shenanigans and maneuverings are meaningless & millimetrical pomp

What really matters (for each of is) is what we do with our deeper (inner) personal lives
And to call somebody who understand this an idiot says a lot more about YOU... than it does them

You (YOU JOHN) Need to really watch this...

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g0xIXghxyUk[/youtube]

Sonder. You are the main character—the protagonist—the star at the center of your own unfolding story. You're surrounded by your supporting cast: friends and family hanging in your immediate orbit. Scattered a little further out, a network of acquaintances who drift in and out of contact over the years. But there in the background, faint and out of focus, are the extras. The random passersby. Each living a life as vivid and complex as your own. They carry on invisibly around you, bearing the accumulated weight of their own ambitions, friends, routines, mistakes, worries, triumphs and inherited craziness. When your life moves on to the next scene, theirs flickers in place, wrapped in a cloud of backstory and inside jokes and characters strung together with countless other stories you'll never be able to see. That you'll never know exists. In which you might appear only once. As an extra sipping coffee in the background. As a blur of traffic passing on the highway. As a lighted window at dusk."

Good stuff. Is "millametrical" one of of his words?

[Chizzang]

I probably spelled it wrong...
It might be Millimetrical

It means tiny un-noticeable increments
and it's a Christopher Hitchens word as far as I can remember

[kalm]

I probably spelled it wrong...
It might be Millimetrical

It means tiny un-noticeable increments
and it's a Christopher Hitchens word as far as I can remember

I received a degree from the Harvard of the Palouse. Therefore I was able to piece together the context enough to discern a meaning...but thanks....

[Chizzang]

I probably spelled it wrong...
It might be Millimetrical

It means tiny un-noticeable increments
and it's a Christopher Hitchens word as far as I can remember

I received a degree from the Harvard of the Palouse. Therefore I was able to piece together the context enough to discern a meaning...but thanks....

You're a smart ass (and I like that)

Here's him using it...
Its from his book "Religion Poisons everything" as far as I can tell

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pkp_v4pKwK8[/youtube]

[dal4018]

Anybody believes that Christie was clueless about this incident needs their head examined he made a statement saying he knows everything that goes on in his administration.This guy is a mob stoolie nothing more!!!!!

[Ivytalk]

Anybody believes that Christie was clueless about this incident needs their head examined he made a statement saying he knows everything that goes on in his administration.This guy is a mob stoolie nothing more!!!!!

Dal, go back to the NBA threads where you belong.

[AZGrizFan]

Let me explain it for you: Donks voted Obama lockstep, twice, like good little robots. Conks are starting to figure out that there's no measurable difference and are NOT blindly supporting the candidate with the "R" behind his/her name as in years past. Donks view it as the Republican party crumbling. I view it as the Conservative movement being ahead of the "progressive" movement in realizing that the only way TRUE change is going to happen is if we stop doing the same things over and over and expecting a different result. That's why recent elections have put people like Rand Paul and Ted Cruz into D.C. Conservatives call them heros. Donks call them terrorists.

I'll leave you to figure out the rest.

Lock step..?
It's nowhere near as complex as you make it AZ

First: 90+% of both parties vote lock step every election
Second: It's the some odd 10% in the middle that shift one way or the other and swing elections

Your "theory" needs work

No it doesn't. The 90+% of the Conservative party has started moving away from lockstep voting. Perhaps because of weaker candidates, perhaps because the candidates have stopped being representative of what we true fiscal conservatives really want...whatever the reason, the Republican Party (as it existed 15-20 years ago) is crumbling. It's the donks who continue to blindly follow their leaders off the cliff. And they'll follow Hildabeast off the cliff in 2016 if she runs.

[VictorG]

the Republican Party (as it existed 15-20 years ago) is crumbling. It's the donks who continue to blindly follow their leaders off the cliff. And they'll follow Hildabeast off the cliff in 2016 if she runs.

IMO whoever can field a candidate that appeals to or maybe a better phrase is "doesn't chase away" the moderates will win. I really, really, really do not want to vote for Hildabeast but if the Republics put Palin anywhere near the ticket or someone like her....I will!

[AZGrizFan]

the Republican Party (as it existed 15-20 years ago) is crumbling. It's the donks who continue to blindly follow their leaders off the cliff. And they'll follow Hildabeast off the cliff in 2016 if she runs.

IMO whoever can field a candidate that appeals to or maybe a better phrase is "doesn't chase away" the moderates will win. I really, really, really do not want to vote for Hildabeast but if the Republics put Palin anywhere near the ticket or someone like her....I will!

I'll be voting for the person who doesn't have a D or an R after their name.

[Ibanez]

IMO whoever can field a candidate that appeals to or maybe a better phrase is "doesn't chase away" the moderates will win. I really, really, really do not want to vote for Hildabeast but if the Republics put Palin anywhere near the ticket or someone like her....I will!

I'll be voting for the person who doesn't have a D or an R after their name.

Do those stand for "dumb" and "retarded?"

[Chizzang]

IMO whoever can field a candidate that appeals to or maybe a better phrase is "doesn't chase away" the moderates will win. I really, really, really do not want to vote for Hildabeast but if the Republics put Palin anywhere near the ticket or someone like her....I will!

I'll be voting for the person who doesn't have a D or an R after their name.

Welcome to the club (Bitch)
Jill Stein could use your vote

I vote for her now - because it pisses so many people off

[VictorG]

IMO whoever can field a candidate that appeals to or maybe a better phrase is "doesn't chase away" the moderates will win. I really, really, really do not want to vote for Hildabeast but if the Republics put Palin anywhere near the ticket or someone like her....I will!

I'll be voting for the person who doesn't have a D or an R after their name.

I'd say I'll join you on that but who? Some ultra "winger" that's even more scarey than the PTB present to us?

What I'm really, really fed up with is the "shadow government" and "power behind the powers" that actually shape and then inform us poor peons what our options in government are.....

Christ! Here you go you got me started..now I'm going to have to drink heavily the rest of the night just to get this crap out of my mind.........