The Ukraine Crisis

[GannonFan]

Is it a bigger deal than the one from June?
https://simpleflying.com/russan-ilyushi ... on-dulles/

It's almost as if Russia has some sort of embassy in DC.

You could be onto something.

My exuberance is mostly to get on record the war is horrific. US is the ones calling the shots. Russia wants negotiations with US, not Ukraine.

If Russia wanted to negotiate with the US, then they should've invaded the US and tried to annex its territory. As luck would have it, they've invaded Ukraine and tried to erase that country. And yes, war is horrific. Maybe you should let your Russian handlers know that, I'm sure they'd be thrilled to learn that.

[SeattleGriz]

You could be onto something.

My exuberance is mostly to get on record the war is horrific. US is the ones calling the shots. Russia wants negotiations with US, not Ukraine.

If Russia wanted to negotiate with the US, then they should've invaded the US and tried to annex its territory. As luck would have it, they've invaded Ukraine and tried to erase that country. And yes, war is horrific. Maybe you should let your Russian handlers know that, I'm sure they'd be thrilled to learn that.

Really. You lead with that stupid ass uninformed shit? Jesus dude.

Russia tried, but the US and UK scuttled that.

You keep saying the stupidest of shit in regards to Russia. You're some type of engineer, correct? It shows.

[GannonFan]

If Russia wanted to negotiate with the US, then they should've invaded the US and tried to annex its territory. As luck would have it, they've invaded Ukraine and tried to erase that country. And yes, war is horrific. Maybe you should let your Russian handlers know that, I'm sure they'd be thrilled to learn that.

Really. You lead with that stupid ass uninformed shit? Jesus dude.

Russia tried, but the US and UK scuttled that.

You keep saying the stupidest of shit in regards to Russia. You're some type of engineer, correct? It shows.

I accept your admission that I'm smarter than you. Thanks for clarifying. It explains why you still think Russia hasn't invaded Ukraine in the past year plus.

[SeattleGriz]

Really. You lead with that stupid ass uninformed shit? Jesus dude.

Russia tried, but the US and UK scuttled that.

You keep saying the stupidest of shit in regards to Russia. You're some type of engineer, correct? It shows.

I accept your admission that I'm smarter than you. Thanks for clarifying. It explains why you still think Russia hasn't invaded Ukraine in the past year plus.

Oh my Lord, you are an engineer. (total twat) How did I know that? You keep acting like an engineering twat. It's why people don't follow you. You're insufferable.

I fix your fuckups for a living. Don't start on the IQ aspect. You won't like where it goes.

[kalm]

Is it a bigger deal than the one from June?
https://simpleflying.com/russan-ilyushi ... on-dulles/

It's almost as if Russia has some sort of embassy in DC.

You could be onto something.

My exuberance is mostly to get on record the war is horrific. US is the ones calling the shots. Russia wants negotiations with US, not Ukraine.

You should be raising 60 kinds of hell over what the U.S. enabling to happen in Gaza. Oddly quiet on that front from the alt-right.

[SeattleGriz]

You could be onto something.

My exuberance is mostly to get on record the war is horrific. US is the ones calling the shots. Russia wants negotiations with US, not Ukraine.

You should be raising 60 kinds of hell over what the U.S. enabling to happen in Gaza. Oddly quiet on that front from the alt-right.

Agreed on that.

Still trying to find accurate media sources, but what I already see ain't cool.

I commented early in that thread about the hardliners, but haven't gone past that.

[GannonFan]

You could be onto something.

My exuberance is mostly to get on record the war is horrific. US is the ones calling the shots. Russia wants negotiations with US, not Ukraine.

You should be raising 60 kinds of hell over what the U.S. enabling to happen in Gaza. Oddly quiet on that front from the alt-right.

Why would he? Russia has been slow-walking the same kind of horrific war in Ukraine for almost 10 years now - whole swaths of areas where Ukrainians have lived have been wiped clean of Ukrainians so that Russians can be moved in, and whole areas of land have been merged into Greater Russia, just for the pride of it, and this guy has been cheering it on all the while. Why would he care about death and destruction in Israel and Gaza if he's been all for it a few thousand miles north of there?

[SeattleGriz]

You should be raising 60 kinds of hell over what the U.S. enabling to happen in Gaza. Oddly quiet on that front from the alt-right.

Why would he? Russia has been slow-walking the same kind of horrific war in Ukraine for almost 10 years now - whole swaths of areas where Ukrainians have lived have been wiped clean of Ukrainians so that Russians can be moved in, and whole areas of land have been merged into Greater Russia, just for the pride of it, and this guy has been cheering it on all the while. Why would he care about death and destruction in Israel and Gaza if he's been all for it a few thousand miles north of there?

See, engineer mentality.

You have no clue what has, and is going on in Ukraine. You just buy the narrative and then smugly regurgitate it because that's what engineers do.

[GannonFan]

Why would he? Russia has been slow-walking the same kind of horrific war in Ukraine for almost 10 years now - whole swaths of areas where Ukrainians have lived have been wiped clean of Ukrainians so that Russians can be moved in, and whole areas of land have been merged into Greater Russia, just for the pride of it, and this guy has been cheering it on all the while. Why would he care about death and destruction in Israel and Gaza if he's been all for it a few thousand miles north of there?

See, engineer mentality.

You have no clue what has, and is going on in Ukraine. You just buy the narrative and then smugly regurgitate it because that's what engineers do.

Please, we have an entire thread that will be forever enshrined to your absolute stupidity on this subject. You still maintain that Russia didn't really invade, they just moved slightly to the west. You vacillate almost every day on what perceived grievance allows Russia to perpetuate genocide in Ukraine simply because they want to have a sphere of influence/power over their neighbors. This entire thread has been a tour de force on how little you know and understand on this subject but what you're eager to copy over from whatever crazy conspiracy site you happen to be on that day. When you get back out of the rabbit hole, assuming you ever do, we could have an actual conversation on what engineers actually do, since that's apparently another subject matter in which you seem to be shockingly deficient. Maybe one day we'll actually come across a topic you can intelligently contribute to the board at large here - but I'm not holding my breath.

[SeattleGriz]

See, engineer mentality.

You have no clue what has, and is going on in Ukraine. You just buy the narrative and then smugly regurgitate it because that's what engineers do.

Please, we have an entire thread that will be forever enshrined to your absolute stupidity on this subject. You still maintain that Russia didn't really invade, they just moved slightly to the west. You vacillate almost every day on what perceived grievance allows Russia to perpetuate genocide in Ukraine simply because they want to have a sphere of influence/power over their neighbors. This entire thread has been a tour de force on how little you know and understand on this subject but what you're eager to copy over from whatever crazy conspiracy site you happen to be on that day. When you get back out of the rabbit hole, assuming you ever do, we could have an actual conversation on what engineers actually do, since that's apparently another subject matter in which you seem to be shockingly deficient. Maybe one day we'll actually come across a topic you can intelligently contribute to the board at large here - but I'm not holding my breath.

No. This is very simple. Ukraine is screwed because the US wanted to play geopolitics on Russia's border.

You keep trotting out the "Boogeyman" defense in regards to Putin. It's laughable. You didn't even understand what an SMO was, so stop acting like you're some extra knowledgeable person. You've regurgitated talking points and have shown zero intellectual curiosity on the topic.

In regards to engineers, I fix the shit you mishandle when dealing with people. I know plenty about how lazy and aggrandizing engineers are. I ain't impressed.

[GannonFan]

Please, we have an entire thread that will be forever enshrined to your absolute stupidity on this subject. You still maintain that Russia didn't really invade, they just moved slightly to the west. You vacillate almost every day on what perceived grievance allows Russia to perpetuate genocide in Ukraine simply because they want to have a sphere of influence/power over their neighbors. This entire thread has been a tour de force on how little you know and understand on this subject but what you're eager to copy over from whatever crazy conspiracy site you happen to be on that day. When you get back out of the rabbit hole, assuming you ever do, we could have an actual conversation on what engineers actually do, since that's apparently another subject matter in which you seem to be shockingly deficient. Maybe one day we'll actually come across a topic you can intelligently contribute to the board at large here - but I'm not holding my breath.

No. This is very simple. Ukraine is screwed because the US wanted to play geopolitics on Russia's border.

You keep trotting out the "Boogeyman" defense in regards to Putin. It's laughable. You didn't even understand what an SMO was, so stop acting like you're some extra knowledgeable person. You've regurgitated talking points and have shown zero intellectual curiosity on the topic.

In regards to engineers, I fix the shit you mishandle when dealing with people. I know plenty about how lazy and aggrandizing engineers are. I ain't impressed.

All you literally do is continually repost stuff from fringe conspiracy stuff and pretend it's real. How's that diplomatic plane arrival from Russia yesterday, or was that just another conspiracy theory run amuck? This entire thread has been you believing whatever whacko can make a web site and spout whatever unsubstantiated crap they can think of. And you bought into it lock, stock, and barrel. The irony of you being concerned about intellectual curiosity when you seemingly have no intellect to speak of.

[SeattleGriz]

No. This is very simple. Ukraine is screwed because the US wanted to play geopolitics on Russia's border.

You keep trotting out the "Boogeyman" defense in regards to Putin. It's laughable. You didn't even understand what an SMO was, so stop acting like you're some extra knowledgeable person. You've regurgitated talking points and have shown zero intellectual curiosity on the topic.

In regards to engineers, I fix the shit you mishandle when dealing with people. I know plenty about how lazy and aggrandizing engineers are. I ain't impressed.

All you literally do is continually repost stuff from fringe conspiracy stuff and pretend it's real. How's that diplomatic plane arrival from Russia yesterday, or was that just another conspiracy theory run amuck? This entire thread has been you believing whatever whacko can make a web site and spout whatever unsubstantiated crap they can think of. And you bought into it lock, stock, and barrel. The irony of you being concerned about intellectual curiosity when you seemingly have no intellect to speak of.

I can easily admit it took me awhile to figure out what was going on, but now it's pretty clear.

The US fomented this war and was just fine supporting mercenaries (Nazis - Russian propaganda) that killed many Russian speaking Ukrainians. The Ukrainian government was just fine killing its own civilians and numerous "leaders" in the West have admitted the Minsk agreements weren't adhered to because they were only put in place to buy time. This war has been on track for many years.

Outside those basics, the Russian military has far greater capabilities. Something you have no clue about. A stunning lack of curiosity.The Ukrainian's are insanely patriotic to their country and unfortunately that is being used against them.

I was for peace from the beginning.

[GannonFan]

All you literally do is continually repost stuff from fringe conspiracy stuff and pretend it's real. How's that diplomatic plane arrival from Russia yesterday, or was that just another conspiracy theory run amuck? This entire thread has been you believing whatever whacko can make a web site and spout whatever unsubstantiated crap they can think of. And you bought into it lock, stock, and barrel. The irony of you being concerned about intellectual curiosity when you seemingly have no intellect to speak of.

This war has been on track for many years.

This war has been a war for a good 10 years now. All that happened last year was Putin sending in reinforcements. Just because you only recently started paying attention doesn't mean that time was standing still waiting for you to notice.

[SeattleGriz]

This war has been on track for many years.

This war has been a war for a good 10 years now. All that happened last year was Putin sending in reinforcements. Just because you only recently started paying attention doesn't mean that time was standing still waiting for you to notice.

Exactly. Have you paid attention to what Putin has said over the years? He has been warning the West to not encroach on their borders. Look at all the land grabs. They are all militarily strategic in nature and allow Russia to protect itself. The US would do the same if faced with the same scenario, and as a US citizen, expected.

I'm not saying that's all cool, I'm saying that if you fuck around with a nations defense, you find out. That's what has happened.

[UNI88]

This war has been a war for a good 10 years now. All that happened last year was Putin sending in reinforcements. Just because you only recently started paying attention doesn't mean that time was standing still waiting for you to notice.

Exactly. Have you paid attention to what Putin has said over the years? He has been warning the West to not encroach on their borders. Look at all the land grabs. They are all militarily strategic in nature and allow Russia to protect itself. The US would do the same if faced with the same scenario, and as a US citizen, expected.

I'm not saying that's all cool, I'm saying that if you fuck around with a nations defense, you find out. That's what has happened.

Then the opposite should apply. russia with Ukraine is able to project force further into Europe putting those nations at greater risk. By your logic they would be justified in invading Ukraine or bringing them into NATO.


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[SeattleGriz]

Exactly. Have you paid attention to what Putin has said over the years? He has been warning the West to not encroach on their borders. Look at all the land grabs. They are all militarily strategic in nature and allow Russia to protect itself. The US would do the same if faced with the same scenario, and as a US citizen, expected.

I'm not saying that's all cool, I'm saying that if you fuck around with a nations defense, you find out. That's what has happened.

Then the opposite should apply. russia with Ukraine is able to project force further into Europe putting those nations at greater risk. By your logic they would be justified in invading Ukraine or bringing them into NATO.


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Putting them at greater risk for what?

[houndawg]

I accept your admission that I'm smarter than you. Thanks for clarifying. It explains why you still think Russia hasn't invaded Ukraine in the past year plus.

Oh my Lord, you are an engineer. (total twat) How did I know that? You keep acting like an engineering twat. It's why people don't follow you. You're insufferable.

I fix your fuckups for a living. Don't start on the IQ aspect. You won't like where it goes.

Which one was it, SG?

a) Girl laughed at you and left the party with an Engineer (always capitalize Engineer)

b) you couldn't pass Differential Equations

[SeattleGriz]

Oh my Lord, you are an engineer. (total twat) How did I know that? You keep acting like an engineering twat. It's why people don't follow you. You're insufferable.

I fix your fuckups for a living. Don't start on the IQ aspect. You won't like where it goes.

Which one was it, SG?

a) Girl laughed at you and left the party with an Engineer (always capitalize Engineer)

b) you couldn't pass Differential Equations

Neither.

I work with engineers every day, as we are an engineering centric company. I fix their problems every day. Do you know how many times we've had to go get an engineer out of his desk to come to the floor and explain how their changes will work?

They're usually to good to go to the floor, so they don't understand that the changes they have made are impossible. Love it when the lowly mechanic points out their errors.

They are in a union and that's a big part of the issue.

[UNI88]

Then the opposite should apply. russia with Ukraine is able to project force further into Europe putting those nations at greater risk. By your logic they would be justified in invading Ukraine or bringing them into NATO.


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Putting them at greater risk for what?

russian aggression. To paraphrase - russian possession of Ukraine makes it easier for russia to encroach on their borders. Ukraine is militarily strategic in nature and an independent or NATO member Ukraine allows European nations protect themselves from russia.


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[SeattleGriz]

Putting them at greater risk for what?

russian aggression. To paraphrase - russian possession of Ukraine makes it easier for russia to encroach on their borders. Ukraine is militarily strategic in nature and an independent or NATO member Ukraine allows European nations protect themselves from russia.


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Russia's going to attack the countries it was supplying cheap gas and materials to? Yeah, not seeing it happen.

Remember it was the US that blew up Nordstream and fucked Germany over.

[UNI88]

russian aggression. To paraphrase - russian possession of Ukraine makes it easier for russia to encroach on their borders. Ukraine is militarily strategic in nature and an independent or NATO member Ukraine allows European nations protect themselves from russia.


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Russia's going to attack the countries it was supplying cheap gas and materials to? Yeah, not seeing it happen.

Remember it was the US that blew up Nordstream and fucked Germany over.

So you think the worst of Western Europe and the US to justify russia invading Ukraine but think the best of polonium putin and russia when presented with the reverse possibility?


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[houndawg]

Which one was it, SG?

a) Girl laughed at you and left the party with an Engineer (always capitalize Engineer)

b) you couldn't pass Differential Equations

Neither.

I work with engineers every day, as we are an engineering centric company. I fix their problems every day. Do you know how many times we've had to go get an engineer out of his desk to come to the floor and explain how their changes will work?

They're usually to good to go to the floor, so they don't understand that the changes they have made are impossible. Love it when the lowly mechanic points out their errors.

They are in a union and that's a big part of the issue.

you sound like CH - you both have feelings of inadequacy around educated professionals. CH isn't the brightest bulb, as we see here daily, and seems compelled to constantly remind us of that with his constant small-dog yapping about college and you with your chip on your shoulder about engineers, probably because they see right through your bullshit when you try to science them.

And if they're in a union they aren't registered professional engineers anyway, they're engineers by job title.

[SeattleGriz]

Neither.

I work with engineers every day, as we are an engineering centric company. I fix their problems every day. Do you know how many times we've had to go get an engineer out of his desk to come to the floor and explain how their changes will work?

They're usually to good to go to the floor, so they don't understand that the changes they have made are impossible. Love it when the lowly mechanic points out their errors.

They are in a union and that's a big part of the issue.

you sound like CH - you both have feelings of inadequacy around educated professionals. CH isn't the brightest bulb, as we see here daily, and seems compelled to constantly remind us of that with his constant small-dog yapping about college and you with your chip on your shoulder about engineers, probably because they see right through your bullshit when you try to science them.

And if they're in a union they aren't registered professional engineers anyway, they're engineers by job title.

Feelings of inadequacy. Good one. Look up SPEEA chief, but yes we technical and professional distinctions.

https://www.speea.org/

[SeattleGriz]

Russia's going to attack the countries it was supplying cheap gas and materials to? Yeah, not seeing it happen.

Remember it was the US that blew up Nordstream and fucked Germany over.

So you think the worst of Western Europe and the US to justify russia invading Ukraine but think the best of polonium putin and russia when presented with the reverse possibility?


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Those are your words, not mine. I see Putin as needing Europe to sell gas and materials.

Who blew up Nordstream again?

[houndawg]

So you think the worst of Western Europe and the US to justify russia invading Ukraine but think the best of polonium putin and russia when presented with the reverse possibility?


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Those are your words, not mine. I see Putin as needing Europe to sell gas and materials.

Who blew up Nordstream again?

Poland?