The Official "Making America Great Again" Thread

[HI54UNI]

[HI54UNI]

[HI54UNI]

Happy Thanksgiving everyone!

[Ibanez]

* Lowest unemployment since 1969

I don't know why you guys persist with this one. It's obvious that a trend towards lowering unemployment was well in place before he took office.



Giving Trump credit for unemployment being as low as it is now is just ridiculous. There is absolutely no suggestion of a change in the trend associated with him being elected or taking office.

* Lowest black unemployment ever

Same thing as above. Same thing. Absolutely no indication of a change in the trend associated with Trump getting elected or taking office (this one shows "since Trump" in red):

* lowest Hispanic unemployment ever

One more time:



Again, absolutely no suggestion of a change in the trend associated with Trump.

* 27 stock market records in 2017 (largest one-year % increase since Roosevelt)

As the market moves up over time it hits record highs. The difference between Trump and Obama is that Obama took over after the market took a big plunge and Trump took over when it was near a previous record high. The Dow hit an all time high of 14,164.43 in October, 2007. When Obama took office on January 20, 2009 it was at 7,949.09. So even though a bull market started in March of that year, there was a lot of climbing that had to happen before record highs could be reached.

When Trump was elected the market was in an upward trend. The record high was 18,636.52 and the Dow closed at 18,332.74 on November 8, 2016. So it didn't take much from that point in terms of continued upward movement to continue to set record highs.

I think the thing about the highest one year increase since Roosevelt is just false. At least it appears to be in terms of percent increase (which is the measure of convention). If you look at the history of annual returns at http://www.1stock1.com/1stock1_139.htm you can see that the Dow increased by 25.08% in 2017. But it increased by 26.50% in 2013, 25.32% in 2003, 25.22% in 1999, 22.64% in 1997, 26.01% in 1996, and 33.45% in 1995. If you keep going backwards in time you can find a number of other years during which the return was higher than it as in 2017.

* First close over 27,000
* First close over 28,000

I probably shouldn't have to say this but if a guy takes the office when the stock market is near its historical high and in an upward trend that is going to happen unless something bad happens.

* Highest business confidence reading ever

That appears to be true. But that is not a measure of the economy. It is a measure of perception.

* longest economic expansion ever

And why does Trump get credit for that when most of it happened before he took office?

* Highest black business startup rate ever

https://www.politifact.com/punditfact/s ... 00-percen/

* 15,000,000 people off food stamps

Well, if there are positive economic trends we can expect fewer people to need food stamps. Doesn't mean the positive economic trends weren't in place before Trump.

* Renegotiation of NAFTA

That's a show. Minor tweaks to NAFTA and Trump branding it so he can pretend he did something big. Also we don't know about its economic impacts since it's not in place yet.

* Winning against China

That is a highly questionable assertion.

* Tax reform for middle class

Very small increases in take home income for the middle class at the expense of significantly increasing the deficit problem. Also associated with lying to the US citizenry with respect to the impacts. Telling them that it would result in consistent +3% economic growth when all credible analyses said that wouldn't happen. And it hasn't happened.

* Oh, and what CID said....THE JUDGES

That's not the economy.

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[CID1990]

Happy Thanksgiving everyone!

Not a single sack of antlers in the bunch.

Nice work!


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[AZGrizFan]

Happy Thanksgiving everyone!

2,4,1,3.

Wait. 2,1,4.3.

Or maybe 1,4,2,3.

Shit. I don’t think there’s a wrong answer here!

[CAA Flagship]

And this thing about the "headwind" of the Fed raising rates. Please. Take a look at the history of Federal Funds Rate changes at https://www.thebalance.com/fed-funds-ra ... ws-3306135.

There were 3 rate increases during 2017 and 4 during 2018. The economy grew by 2.4% and 2.9% during those two years.

There were 5 rate increases during 2004 and the economy grew by 3.3%. There were 8 rate increases during 2005 and it grew by 3.5%. There were 6 in 1994 and the economy grew by 4.0%.

Plus, regardless of increases, interest rates remain at historically low levels. This crap about "headwinds" because the Fed raised interest rates a little is just that: Crap

The Fed is and has been there. It's always a factor.

Then why did the market drop so much in late 2018, yet there was no significant change in the economy?

[Ivytalk]

HI54UNI has made this thread great again!

Happy Thanksgiving, brotha!

[UNI88]

HI54UNI has made this thread great again!

Happy Thanksgiving, brotha!

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[SeattleGriz]

Here you go. The Daily Presidential Briefing from June 5, 2018 where you can actually see the charts being referenced. The economy and charts starts about 30 seconds into the clip.

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[AZGrizFan]

These graphs LIE!!!!

[SDHornet]

Yeah, yeah, polls are meaningless. There have been some interesting comments from the left regarding this poll, though.

[CID1990]

Yeah, yeah, polls are meaningless. There have been some interesting comments from the left regarding this poll, though.

There is a significant slice of Trump voters who don’t reveal their voting choice to pollsters. I would suspect that black Trump voters would be even more reluctant to reveal that.

I kind of like it - if I had my way, nobody would speak to pollsters.


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[kalm]

Yeah, yeah, polls are meaningless. There have been some interesting comments from the left regarding this poll, though.

There is a significant slice of Trump voters who don’t reveal their voting choice to pollsters. I would suspect that black Trump voters would be even more reluctant to reveal that.

I kind of like it - if I had my way, nobody would speak to pollsters.


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What percent would you say? 10+?

Do you think that has changed since the last election?

Bonus question...what percentage of independent voters have already made up there mind?

[CID1990]

There is a significant slice of Trump voters who don’t reveal their voting choice to pollsters. I would suspect that black Trump voters would be even more reluctant to reveal that.

I kind of like it - if I had my way, nobody would speak to pollsters.


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What percent would you say? 10+?

Do you think that has changed since the last election?

Bonus question...what percentage of independent voters have already made up there mind?

*their

I don’t know about independent voters. I am still undecided myself. I don’t know who the libertarian or Dem nominees will be. I could vote Dem, LP, Trump, or I could stay home.

I’d say anywhere from 30% to 40% of Trump voters won’t publicly admit it. The black Trump vote could be as high as 90%.

Anecdotally, I know of 5 black classmates from college and high school who have confided to me that they voted for Trump. That was a very surprising revelation to me.


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[Ibanez]

Looks like the House was able to walk and chew gum at the same time.

https://www.foxbusiness.com/markets/usm ... -deal-done

The United States, Mexico and Canada have reached a historic trade deal.

"There is no question, of course, that this trade agreement is much better than NAFTA," House Speaker Nancy Pelosi, D-Calif., said at a press conference announcing her caucus's support of the agreement. Major U.S. stock indexes turned positive after the announcement.

U.S. Trade Representative Robert Lighthizer, Senior White House Adviser Jared Kushner and Canadian Deputy Prime Minister Chrystia Freeland are expected to be in Mexico City on Tuesday for a signing ceremony.

[CAA Flagship]

Looks like the House was able to walk and chew gum at the same time.

https://www.foxbusiness.com/markets/usm ... -deal-done

The United States, Mexico and Canada have reached a historic trade deal.

"There is no question, of course, that this trade agreement is much better than NAFTA," House Speaker Nancy Pelosi, D-Calif., said at a press conference announcing her caucus's support of the agreement. Major U.S. stock indexes turned positive after the announcement.

U.S. Trade Representative Robert Lighthizer, Senior White House Adviser Jared Kushner and Canadian Deputy Prime Minister Chrystia Freeland are expected to be in Mexico City on Tuesday for a signing ceremony.

15 MONTHS

[Pwns]

Looks like the House was able to walk and chew gum at the same time.

https://www.foxbusiness.com/markets/usm ... -deal-done

The United States, Mexico and Canada have reached a historic trade deal.

"There is no question, of course, that this trade agreement is much better than NAFTA," House Speaker Nancy Pelosi, D-Calif., said at a press conference announcing her caucus's support of the agreement. Major U.S. stock indexes turned positive after the announcement.

U.S. Trade Representative Robert Lighthizer, Senior White House Adviser Jared Kushner and Canadian Deputy Prime Minister Chrystia Freeland are expected to be in Mexico City on Tuesday for a signing ceremony.

This is where Nancy Pelosi should at least be giving trump in a back-handed 'thank you'.

[Skjellyfetti]

Looks like the House was able to walk and chew gum at the same time.

https://www.foxbusiness.com/markets/usm ... -deal-done

The United States, Mexico and Canada have reached a historic trade deal.

"There is no question, of course, that this trade agreement is much better than NAFTA," House Speaker Nancy Pelosi, D-Calif., said at a press conference announcing her caucus's support of the agreement. Major U.S. stock indexes turned positive after the announcement.

U.S. Trade Representative Robert Lighthizer, Senior White House Adviser Jared Kushner and Canadian Deputy Prime Minister Chrystia Freeland are expected to be in Mexico City on Tuesday for a signing ceremony.

Senate pushing it til February

[93henfan]

There is a significant slice of Trump voters who don’t reveal their voting choice to pollsters. I would suspect that black Trump voters would be even more reluctant to reveal that.

I kind of like it - if I had my way, nobody would speak to pollsters.


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What percent would you say? 10+?

Do you think that has changed since the last election?

Bonus question...what percentage of independent voters have already made up there mind?

Stop asking so many fucking questions and do your own research. Jesus.

And Mary and Joseph and one of the little donkeys.

[HI54UNI]

Looks like the House was able to walk and chew gum at the same time.

https://www.foxbusiness.com/markets/usm ... -deal-done

The United States, Mexico and Canada have reached a historic trade deal.

"There is no question, of course, that this trade agreement is much better than NAFTA," House Speaker Nancy Pelosi, D-Calif., said at a press conference announcing her caucus's support of the agreement. Major U.S. stock indexes turned positive after the announcement.

U.S. Trade Representative Robert Lighthizer, Senior White House Adviser Jared Kushner and Canadian Deputy Prime Minister Chrystia Freeland are expected to be in Mexico City on Tuesday for a signing ceremony.

Liberal meltdown on twitter is

[kalm]

What percent would you say? 10+?

Do you think that has changed since the last election?

Bonus question...what percentage of independent voters have already made up there mind?

Stop asking so many fucking questions and do your own research. Jesus.

And Mary and Joseph and one of the little donkeys.

Do they tip cows in LSD?

Do you miss KC Keeler?

Have you ever asked your sister for box chowing advice?

[93henfan]

Stop asking so many fucking questions and do your own research. Jesus.

And Mary and Joseph and one of the little donkeys.

Do they tip cows in LSD?

Do you miss KC Keeler?

Have you ever asked your sister for box chowing advice?

Yes, yes, no

[UNI88]

Do they tip cows in LSD?

Have you ever asked your sister for box chowing advice?

Do you miss KC Keeler?

Yes, yes, no

Interesting ...

[93henfan]

You son of a bitch!