Courtroom Prayer

[OL FU]

**** that serious ****.

Aren't you glad I am in a better mood

I don't like it when you're unhappy... I want you to experience a life of care free joyousness

Thank you and I feel the same about you

[Gil Dobie]

Just to followup, these stories come from Mack's Prayer Breakfast. He did bring up the Supreme Court ruling from a previous post.

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Prior to the opening ceremony of Mack’s court, a bailiff informs all people in the courtroom of the rules and court proceedings. The bailiff also tells the courtroom that it is the tradition of the court, as a part of the opening ceremonies, to have a prayer offered by a Justice Court Chaplain, adding it is not a requirement to participate in the prayer. Those who do not want to participate are allowed to step outside the courtroom during the prayer.
The prayer is followed by the pledges to the U.S. and Texas flags.
Their decision to do so will not have any effect on the turnout of their business, Mack said.
“I established at the beginning of my service in office, the custom of having an opening ceremony to each court session, consisting of an opening prayer and the pledge to the flag,” Mack said.

The United States Supreme Court just ruled May 5, 2014, 5-4 in favor of the Town of Greece that the town's practice of beginning legislative sessions with prayers does not violate the Establishment Clause of the First Amendment. Two women argued that prayers by volunteer chaplains violated the constitution, according to Marc Davenport, spokesperson for Judge Mack.

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A single purpose atheistic organization, assuming facts that they did not actually witness have demanded that we stop our practice. Their story has been distorted into other stories and promoted amongst 1,000's attempting to find outrage. I have received such hate, I believe they must be very hurting souls.

They say that our way of life, affects their way of life. Their story has now been distorted online to say that they are responsible for provoking this prayer breakfast on Thursday October 23rd at the Lone Star Convention Center as a response to them. To that, I say if that is true, then it must have been God's will from the beginning. The event has been in planning for months, the keynote speaker, comedian George W. Bush impersonator John Morgan has been booked since July, the announcement mailing has been distributed for 5 weeks. Tickets have been available at waynemack.org for months.

I have no indifference to the public's perception of impartiality of the court as they claim, only indifference to their authority to impose their values on my court. If you share in the belief that family, faith and community are values of importance in Montgomery County then come join with us, connect with us, support us. Your presence helps make a statement that my office practice is reflective of the community standard Together we can make a difference!

[kalm]

Just to followup, these stories come from Mack's Prayer Breakfast. He did bring up the Supreme Court ruling from a previous post.

link

Prior to the opening ceremony of Mack’s court, a bailiff informs all people in the courtroom of the rules and court proceedings. The bailiff also tells the courtroom that it is the tradition of the court, as a part of the opening ceremonies, to have a prayer offered by a Justice Court Chaplain, adding it is not a requirement to participate in the prayer. Those who do not want to participate are allowed to step outside the courtroom during the prayer.
The prayer is followed by the pledges to the U.S. and Texas flags.
Their decision to do so will not have any effect on the turnout of their business, Mack said.
“I established at the beginning of my service in office, the custom of having an opening ceremony to each court session, consisting of an opening prayer and the pledge to the flag,” Mack said.

The United States Supreme Court just ruled May 5, 2014, 5-4 in favor of the Town of Greece that the town's practice of beginning legislative sessions with prayers does not violate the Establishment Clause of the First Amendment. Two women argued that prayers by volunteer chaplains violated the constitution, according to Marc Davenport, spokesperson for Judge Mack.

Link

A single purpose atheistic organization, assuming facts that they did not actually witness have demanded that we stop our practice. Their story has been distorted into other stories and promoted amongst 1,000's attempting to find outrage. I have received such hate, I believe they must be very hurting souls.

They say that our way of life, affects their way of life. Their story has now been distorted online to say that they are responsible for provoking this prayer breakfast on Thursday October 23rd at the Lone Star Convention Center as a response to them. To that, I say if that is true, then it must have been God's will from the beginning. The event has been in planning for months, the keynote speaker, comedian George W. Bush impersonator John Morgan has been booked since July, the announcement mailing has been distributed for 5 weeks. Tickets have been available at waynemack.org for months.

I have no indifference to the public's perception of impartiality of the court as they claim, only indifference to their authority to impose their values on my court. If you share in the belief that family, faith and community are values of importance in Montgomery County then come join with us, connect with us, support us. Your presence helps make a statement that my office practice is reflective of the community standard Together we can make a difference!

HIs court? His values?

[kalm]

A man was taken into custody on Friday on suspicion of knocking over a Ten Commandments monument with a car on the grounds of the Oklahoma statehouse and then fleeing the scene, law enforcement officials said on Friday.

The U.S. Secret Service detained the man, who has not been identified, after he was alleged to have made threatening statements at a federal building in Oklahoma City. The man told agents he urinated on the monument and ran it over with a car, said David Allison, the assistant special agent in charge…

The man said the devil told him to knock down the monument, local broadcaster KOCO quoted law enforcement officials as saying.

“He made those kind of statements,” Allison said, without adding further details

Conservative Christian groups fought for years to have the Ten Commandments displayed at the statehouse. Legislative approval was eventually granted to the groups, who said they were using private funds to commemorate a historical event and were not in violation of constitutional restrictions on the state sponsoring religion.

Oklahoma Governor Mary Fallin, a Republican, said the monument will be rebuilt.

“This monument was built to memorialize the historical significance of the Ten Commandments in guiding our own laws and lives,” Fallin said.

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Historical significance? So their laws and lives are guided by history, not god?

I wonder if they'll rebuild the statue in time for the atheists trial?

[Gil Dobie]

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I have no indifference to the public's perception of impartiality of the court as they claim, only indifference to their authority to impose their values on my court. If you share in the belief that family, faith and community are values of importance in Montgomery County then come join with us, connect with us, support us. Your presence helps make a statement that my office practice is reflective of the community standard Together we can make a difference!

HIs court? His values?

It actually says his court, their values.

[Gil Dobie]

Historical significance? So their laws and lives are guided by history, not god?

I wonder if they'll rebuild the statue in time for the atheists trial?

At some point, someone wrote the 10 Commandments. That is a historical fact.

The Atheists just needs to be rich and have a good lawyer. All this separation of church and state stuff is what drive$ $ome of the$e $pecial intere$t group$. A poor Atheists has just as good of a chance as a poor religious person.

[houndawg]

No.


People are mistaken that "Freedom to Exercise Religion" means they can impose their religion on others, at anytime they want.

He can worship off the job. No one is restricting that.

Should a Muslim police officer be able to ticket a woman for driving (against his religion?) Should a Jewish officer be able to shut down a restaurant that specializes in pork? Should a Christian Judge be able to rule on cases based on his interpretation of Bible, even when that conflicts with the Law?

He's reading from a book, not worshiping from what I read. I didn't see where he was ruling based on the Bible or prayer. That is crossing the line IMO.

A judge that would force a captive audience listen to him read the bible before a trial would never let his rulings be based on the bible or prayer....not a chance...

How bout he change it up once in a while and read from the Necronomicon on Fridays? Maybe the Bhagavad Gita every other Tuesday?

Judge to courtroom: "Now I am become death, the destroyer of worlds!"

[Gil Dobie]

He's reading from a book, not worshiping from what I read. I didn't see where he was ruling based on the Bible or prayer. That is crossing the line IMO.

A judge that would force a captive audience listen to him read the bible before a trial would never let his rulings be based on the bible or prayer....not a chance...

How bout he change it up once in a while and read from the Necronomicon on Fridays? Maybe the Bhagavad Gita every other Tuesday?

Judge to courtroom: "Now I am become death, the destroyer of worlds!"

Judge didn't force anyone to be present and the Judge didn't read from the Bible. We will give you some time to catch up with the rest of us.

[Grizalltheway]

A judge that would force a captive audience listen to him read the bible before a trial would never let his rulings be based on the bible or prayer....not a chance...

How bout he change it up once in a while and read from the Necronomicon on Fridays? Maybe the Bhagavad Gita every other Tuesday?

Judge to courtroom: "Now I am become death, the destroyer of worlds!"

Judge didn't force anyone to be present and the Judge didn't read from the Bible. We will give you some time to catch up with the rest of us.

You're right, they could always just not show up and get arrested, instead.

[Ibanez]

Judge didn't force anyone to be present and the Judge didn't read from the Bible. We will give you some time to catch up with the rest of us.

You're right, they could always just not show up and get arrested, instead.

The judge allows you to leave the courtroom during before the prayer.

[Grizalltheway]

You're right, they could always just not show up and get arrested, instead.

The judge allows you to leave the courtroom during before the prayer.

Shut it

[Ibanez]

The judge allows you to leave the courtroom during before the prayer.

Shut it

No ma'am.

[Gil Dobie]

Judge didn't force anyone to be present and the Judge didn't read from the Bible. We will give you some time to catch up with the rest of us.

You're right, they could always just not show up and get arrested, instead.

You been hanging with H'dawg.

[houndawg]

You're right, they could always just not show up and get arrested, instead.

The judge allows you to leave the courtroom during before the prayer.

And you not being present for something he obviously feels it is very important for you to hear has absolutely no bearing on his rulings. Of course.

[Skjellyfetti]

And you not being present for something he obviously feels it is very important for you to hear has absolutely no bearing on his rulings. Of course.

Or the jury's.

[kalm]

Snow plows in Sioux Falls, South Dakota will be keeping their explicitly Christian theme, WRAL reports.

Mayor Mike Huether said that “unless…I get some Supreme Court case that says I have to” remove the explicitly religious messages that are painted on the city’s snow plows, he would not remove them.

The messages were painted by students at Lutheran High School and Sioux Falls Lutheran School. One of them contains the words “Jesus Christ” painted in the style of the Coca-Cola label, with the biblical quotation, “Whoever drinks the water I give him will never thirst.”


The other simply says, “Happy Birthday, Jesus.”

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[Ibanez]

The judge allows you to leave the courtroom during before the prayer.

And you not being present for something he obviously feels it is very important for you to hear has absolutely no bearing on his rulings. Of course.

I didn't say that. I guess a diligent lawyer could always file an appeal and state his client wasn't given a fair trial.


FWIW, there shouldn't be a prayer before court. If this judge wants to pray, privately in his chambers, that's fine.

[Gil Dobie]

The judge allows you to leave the courtroom during before the prayer.

And you not being present for something he obviously feels it is very important for you to hear has absolutely no bearing on his rulings. Of course.

If the judge feels it's important for you to hear, why does he give the option to leave during the prayer? If it's that important, he would have demanded everyone stay.

[Gil Dobie]

And you not being present for something he obviously feels it is very important for you to hear has absolutely no bearing on his rulings. Of course.

Or the jury's.

It doesn't appear to be important enough for the Judge to require everyone to stay in the court to hear.