US captures alledged Libyan ringleader of Benghazi attack

[dbackjon]

No - I didn't post "how convenient when Saddam was captured.
But if Romney was elected we'd have 50K troops in and dying in Syria, etc. right now.


Of course, the left was the only ones smart enough to question the whole Iraqi debacle, and got labeled anti-American for doing so - turns out we were right all along - the invasion of Iraq is going to go down as one of the biggest debacles in US history. Bush/Cheney/Rumsfeld/Rice are war criminals that need to be locked up.

There is no telling what Romney would've done. You are making an assumption. The invasion of Iraq is a debacle. If Obama wanted out, he would've brought them home before the 2011 date. Obama wanted to extend our presence there. You seem to forget that 40% of the House Democrats and 58% of the Senate Democrats (including Clinton) voted to invade.

So to be fair, add these to your "war criminals" list

Lincoln (D-AR)
Feinstein (D-CA)
Dodd (D-CT)
Lieberman (D-CT)
Biden (D-DE)
Carper (D-DE)
Nelson (D-FL)
Cleland (D-GA)
Miller (D-GA)
Bayh (D-IN)
Harkin (D-IA)
Breaux (D-LA)
Mary Landrieu (D-LA)
Kerry (D-MA)
Carnahan (D-MS)
Baucus (D-MT)
Nelson (D-NE)
Reid (D-NV)
Torricelli (D-NJ)
Clinton (D-NY)
Schumer (D-NY)
Edwards (D-NC)
Dorgan (D-ND)
Hollings (D-SC)
Daschle (D-SD)
Johnson (D-SD)
Cantwell (D-WA
Rockefeller (D-WV
Kohl (D-WI)

Nice parroting of Fox Noise.

The Dems voted to authorize an invasion if certain conditions were met - they weren't - the Bush Admin LIED to Congress.

It is really, really simple to understand.

[travelinman67]

Being that there isn't a Subway on Constitution Ave, i'd say no. But please, what is your criticism?

"Those damn Muslins hate all Americans, they don't care at all even when they do." #nuketheMiddleEast - Tman

"Those damn Witeys hate all Blacks, they don't care at all even when they do. " #nukeMiddleAmerica -
DSUrocks07

Wow...that was easy! Just make up hate-based nonsense and falsely attribute it to someone I don't politically agree with!

[BDKJMU]

There is no telling what Romney would've done. You are making an assumption. The invasion of Iraq is a debacle. If Obama wanted out, he would've brought them home before the 2011 date. Obama wanted to extend our presence there. You seem to forget that 40% of the House Democrats and 58% of the Senate Democrats (including Clinton) voted to invade.

So to be fair, add these to your "war criminals" list

Lincoln (D-AR)
Feinstein (D-CA)
Dodd (D-CT)
Lieberman (D-CT)
Biden (D-DE)
Carper (D-DE)
Nelson (D-FL)
Cleland (D-GA)
Miller (D-GA)
Bayh (D-IN)
Harkin (D-IA)
Breaux (D-LA)
Mary Landrieu (D-LA)
Kerry (D-MA)
Carnahan (D-MS)
Baucus (D-MT)
Nelson (D-NE)
Reid (D-NV)
Torricelli (D-NJ)
Clinton (D-NY)
Schumer (D-NY)
Edwards (D-NC)
Dorgan (D-ND)
Hollings (D-SC)
Daschle (D-SD)
Johnson (D-SD)
Cantwell (D-WA
Rockefeller (D-WV
Kohl (D-WI)

Nice parroting of Fox Noise.

The Dems voted to authorize an invasion if certain conditions were met - they weren't - the Bush Admin LIED to Congress.

It is really, really simple to understand.

No matter how many times you retard donks keep spouting that, it doesn't make it true..

Yep, it really is simple to understand. Yet simpletons like you don't understand..

[kalm]

Nice parroting of Fox Noise.

The Dems voted to authorize an invasion if certain conditions were met - they weren't - the Bush Admin LIED to Congress.

It is really, really simple to understand.

No matter how many times you retard donks keep spouting that, it doesn't make it true..

Yep, it really is simple to understand. Yet simpletons like you don't understand..

So you supported the invasion?

[BDKJMU]

No matter how many times you retard donks keep spouting that, it doesn't make it true..

Yep, it really is simple to understand. Yet simpletons like you don't understand..

So you supported the invasion?

Nice red herring.

[kalm]

So you supported the invasion?

Nice red herring.

Whether or not you supported the invasion is THE question. Anyone who did is a Moran. Nice dodge.

[DSUrocks07]

"Those damn Muslins hate all Americans, they don't care at all even when they do." #nuketheMiddleEast - Tman

"Those damn Witeys hate all Blacks, they don't care at all even when they do. " #nukeMiddleAmerica -
DSUrocks07

Wow...that was easy! Just make up hate-based nonsense and falsely attribute it to someone I don't politically agree with!

Very easy indeed

And just because I disagree with you on how Americans are perceived by the entirety of the Muslim community doesn't mean I completely disagree with you politically.

The "all or nothing" approach to politics leaves much to be desired.

[Ibanez]

There is no telling what Romney would've done. You are making an assumption. The invasion of Iraq is a debacle. If Obama wanted out, he would've brought them home before the 2011 date. Obama wanted to extend our presence there. You seem to forget that 40% of the House Democrats and 58% of the Senate Democrats (including Clinton) voted to invade.

So to be fair, add these to your "war criminals" list

Lincoln (D-AR)
Feinstein (D-CA)
Dodd (D-CT)
Lieberman (D-CT)
Biden (D-DE)
Carper (D-DE)
Nelson (D-FL)
Cleland (D-GA)
Miller (D-GA)
Bayh (D-IN)
Harkin (D-IA)
Breaux (D-LA)
Mary Landrieu (D-LA)
Kerry (D-MA)
Carnahan (D-MS)
Baucus (D-MT)
Nelson (D-NE)
Reid (D-NV)
Torricelli (D-NJ)
Clinton (D-NY)
Schumer (D-NY)
Edwards (D-NC)
Dorgan (D-ND)
Hollings (D-SC)
Daschle (D-SD)
Johnson (D-SD)
Cantwell (D-WA
Rockefeller (D-WV
Kohl (D-WI)

Nice parroting of Fox Noise.

The Dems voted to authorize an invasion if certain conditions were met - they weren't - the Bush Admin LIED to Congress.

It is really, really simple to understand.

Jon, Jon, Jon. I'm not parroting anyone, especially a biased news org. like Fox. It's the simple truth. The dems voted to authorize an invasion. You can't ignore it b/c you have a raging hard-on for Obama. You really shouldn't be so biased and intolerant (especially since you lambaste others for being biased and intolerant).

[BDKJMU]

Nice red herring.

Whether or not you supported the invasion is THE question. Anyone who did is a Moran. Nice dodge.

No, whether I supported the invasion is immaterial to my response to dimwits assertion that Bush lied....there were WMDs. And even if there weren't, Bush didn't lie if he believed there were.

Keep being obtuse..

[kalm]

Whether or not you supported the invasion is THE question. Anyone who did is a Moran. Nice dodge.

No, whether I supported the invasion is immaterial to my response to dimwits assertion that Bush lied....there were WMDs. And even if there weren't, Bush didn't lie if he believed there were.

Keep being obtuse..

So you supported one of the biggest military blunders in our nation's history and even now can't admit it was wrong. I don't know whether Bush lied or not but remind me again how many times Xheney visited the CIA? How about that Curve Ball fella? What about the strategy meetings before 9/11?

Never mind...no sense in going back over it all again....it's time to invade Iraq!

[ASUG8]

Some of you actually continue to believe that there was no talk of WMD's and removal of Saddam by BOTH parties well before W. Even the Dem's on record of supporting the attack have backtracked and are successfully constructing revisionist history.

[kalm]

Some of you actually continue to believe that there was no talk of WMD's and removal of Saddam by BOTH parties well before W. Even the Dem's on record of supporting the attack have backtracked and are successfully constructing revisionist history.

Yes there was, but Bush pushed it through…while we were supposedly at war with AQ.

[Skjellyfetti]

Some of you actually continue to believe that there was no talk of WMD's and removal of Saddam by BOTH parties well before W. Even the Dem's on record of supporting the attack have backtracked and are successfully constructing revisionist history.

I don't give a fuck if D's voted for it or supported it.

It was a terrible decision by everyone involved. THAT's the fucking point.

[kalm]

Some of you actually continue to believe that there was no talk of WMD's and removal of Saddam by BOTH parties well before W. Even the Dem's on record of supporting the attack have backtracked and are successfully constructing revisionist history.

I don't give a fuck if D's voted for it or supported it.

It was a terrible decision by everyone involved. THAT's the fucking point.

No it's not. The point is whether Bush lied or believed.

[ASUG8]

I don't give a fuck if D's voted for it or supported it.

It was a terrible decision by everyone involved. THAT's the fucking point.

No it's not. The point is whether Bush lied or believed.

I'll go with he believed. Doesn't make the decision any more palatable, but his actions weren't exactly unprecedented.

The operation was a major flare-up in the Iraq disarmament crisis. The stated goal of the cruise missile and bombing attacks was to strike military and security targets in Iraq that contribute to Iraq's ability to produce, store, maintain and deliver weapons of mass destruction. The bombing campaign had been anticipated since February 1998 and incurred wide-ranging criticism and support, at home and abroad.

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[CID1990]

Some of you actually continue to believe that there was no talk of WMD's and removal of Saddam by BOTH parties well before W. Even the Dem's on record of supporting the attack have backtracked and are successfully constructing revisionist history.

I don't give a **** if D's voted for it or supported it.

It was a terrible decision by everyone involved. THAT's the **** point.

It is all your fault, SK.

If you had given Congress your crystal ball then they wouldnt have voted to authorize the war

[Skjellyfetti]

Oh yeah. You're right.

We shouldn't criticize anything historically because we have the benefit of hindsight.

[CID1990]

Oh yeah. You're right.

We shouldn't criticize anything historically because we have the benefit of hindsight.

yes, but hindsight is like buttholes

we all have them (some are greasier than others)

doesnt mean we have to point them out continuously- we can just take the "I have a butthole" part as read

Edit: what you are saying is fine, but it would be more legitimate to criticize the information used, not the decision. if the information had been accurate then the decision would have been sound

[ASUG8]

Oh yeah. You're right.

We shouldn't criticize anything historically because we have the benefit of hindsight.

Nice - you should be more of an equal opportunity criticizer if that's the case.

[kalm]

Oh yeah. You're right.

We shouldn't criticize anything historically because we have the benefit of hindsight.

yes, but hindsight is like buttholes

we all have them (some are greasier than others)

doesnt mean we have to point them out continuously- we can just take the "I have a butthole" part as read

Spending an awful lot of time defending your neo-con pals there Cid.

[CID1990]

yes, but hindsight is like buttholes

we all have them (some are greasier than others)

doesnt mean we have to point them out continuously- we can just take the "I have a butthole" part as read

Spending an awful lot of time defending your neo-con pals there Cid.

hardly

I just dont like intellectual dishonesty

[BDKJMU]

No, whether I supported the invasion is immaterial to my response to dimwits assertion that Bush lied....there were WMDs. And even if there weren't, Bush didn't lie if he believed there were.

Keep being obtuse..

So you supported one of the biggest military blunders in our nation's history and even now can't admit it was wrong. I don't know whether Bush lied or not but remind me again how many times Xheney visited the CIA? How about that Curve Ball fella? What about the strategy meetings before 9/11?

Never mind...no sense in going back over it all again....it's time to invade Iraq!

Its easy to sit there and play Monday morning quarterback. Given what is known now and what has transpired, I think the invasion was a bad idea and we shouldn't have done it. Given what was reportedly known THEN by the US and every allied intelligence agency in W Europe and the Mid East yes I supported the invasion. The post major combat operations certainly weren't carried out well.

[kalm]

So you supported one of the biggest military blunders in our nation's history and even now can't admit it was wrong. I don't know whether Bush lied or not but remind me again how many times Xheney visited the CIA? How about that Curve Ball fella? What about the strategy meetings before 9/11?

Never mind...no sense in going back over it all again....it's time to invade Iraq!

Its easy to sit there and play Monday morning quarterback. Given what is known now and what has transpired, I think the invasion was a bad idea and we shouldn't have done it. Given what was reportedly known THEN by the US and every allied intelligence agency in W Europe and the Mid East yes I supported the invasion. The post major combat operations certainly weren't carried out well.

There are plenty of people who felt Iraq was a bad idea from the start and there are numerous reasons why. It's not Monday Morning quarterbacking when you were right from the start. You were wrong from the start but it's good that you begrudgingly accept that now, just like once the deal was under way I hoped that I was wrong and that Bush could create a bulkhead in the Middle East to maintain stability from. That's the reason we went there.

[ASUG8]

There are plenty of people who felt Iraq was a bad idea from the start and there are numerous reasons why. It's not Monday Morning quarterbacking when you were right from the start. You were wrong from the start but it's good that you begrudgingly accept that now, just like once the deal was under way I hoped that I was wrong and that Bush could create a bulkhead in the Middle East to maintain stability from. That's the reason we went there.

There were people who didn't want to invade Iraq, but there was so much US bloodlust post 9/11 many people could have been convinced that invading Canada was a good idea. BDK is right regarding the reported "intelligence" that had been out for years over several administrations that WMD's were likely if not real. I never really got the whole "axis of evil" deal when we knew that NoKo, Iran, or Iraq weren't involved but that's unfortunately water under the bridge at this point. Putting a few more craters in Saudi Arabia would have been more fitting given 20/20 hindsight. It was a wake up call for many of us that the US/UK intelligence communities weren't quite as all-knowing as we'd assumed.

[CID1990]

Back to the original topic-

This actually was not the first arrest in the Benghazi case. (This dude couldn't have been very important because he was freely hanging out in cafes and giving interviews to major news media outlets for the last 21 months.)


The first arrest in this case was in Cerritos, CA when they locked up the dude who made the video that caused Benghazi in the first place.