Obama rated worst President in the Wilson to Obama era

[CID1990]

The history books will have a whole bunch of nice things to say about his terms

As always that will depend on what books you prefer.

[Chizzang]

The history books will have a whole bunch of nice things to say about his terms

As always that will depend on what books you prefer.

The winners write the books that have any half life to 'em at all...
The blanket dismissal of Obama as "the worlds worst" whatever is a bit of an over statement
and a HUGE wet day dream of the RIGHT said out loud by the EXACT same guys who said:

"Romney in a landslide"

They are as blind and single minded as lab mice
Sure we can all agree the Obama administration has been a series of sh!tty appointments
a series of failed foreign policy
and a series of political missteps - over and over

But to pretend like that is somehow not the normal presidency these last 30 years is patently absurd
Obama actually got done some landmark stuff and he will be rewarded in history for that
its just a truth...

[Ibanez]

As always that will depend on what books you prefer.

The winners write the books that have any half life to 'em at all...
The blanket dismissal of Obama as "the worlds worst" whatever is a bit of an over statement
and a HUGE wet day dream of the RIGHT said out loud by the EXACT same guys who said:

"Romney in a landslide"

They are as blind and single minded as lab mice
Sure we can all agree the Obama administration has been a series of sh!tty appointments
a series of failed foreign policy
and a series of political missteps - over and over

But to pretend like that is somehow not the normal presidency these last 30 years is patently absurd
Obama actually got done some landmark stuff and he will be rewarded in history for that
its just a truth...

I always thought Buchanan was pretty bad. How many other Presidents did nothing while the country moved towards civil war?

[OL FU]

As always that will depend on what books you prefer.

The winners write the books that have any half life to 'em at all...
The blanket dismissal of Obama as "the worlds worst" whatever is a bit of an over statement
and a HUGE wet day dream of the RIGHT said out loud by the EXACT same guys who said:

"Romney in a landslide"

They are as blind and single minded as lab mice
Sure we can all agree the Obama administration has been a series of sh!tty appointments
a series of failed foreign policy
and a series of political missteps - over and over

But to pretend like that is somehow not the normal presidency these last 30 years is patently absurd
Obama actually got done some landmark stuff and he will be rewarded in history for that
its just a truth...

That's the truth. Look at the way Wilson is generally portrayed and, while I know there will be disagreement, he is arguably one of the worst. Of course, part of that might have been his incapacitation . But on the other hand, he was considered part of academia, so what choice to history academics have but to praise him

[ASUG8]

I watched the eulogy Obama did this weekend, and it was funny to watch him flip the switch to get his black preacher thing going.

Also like the guy who was recognizing people in the audience and said (paraphrasing) "Al Sharpton is here, and Jesse Jackson....where's Jesse? Al, you guys are usually joined at the hip."

[CID1990]

The winners write the books that have any half life to 'em at all...
The blanket dismissal of Obama as "the worlds worst" whatever is a bit of an over statement
and a HUGE wet day dream of the RIGHT said out loud by the EXACT same guys who said:

"Romney in a landslide"

They are as blind and single minded as lab mice
Sure we can all agree the Obama administration has been a series of sh!tty appointments
a series of failed foreign policy
and a series of political missteps - over and over

But to pretend like that is somehow not the normal presidency these last 30 years is patently absurd
Obama actually got done some landmark stuff and he will be rewarded in history for that
its just a truth...

That's the truth. Look at the way Wilson is generally portrayed and, while I know there will be disagreement, he is arguably one of the worst. Of course, part of that might have been his incapacitation . But on the other hand, he was considered part of academia, so what choice to history academics have but to praise him

Wilson was certainly not the best of them- and he did get us into a world war we had no business being involved in (with the help of a relative of mine who was his minister to the Court of St James... an over the top Anglophile)

then he allowed the UK and France to set the stage for what would start us all on the path to what will be known as the fall of western civilization (once it all comes out in the wash- and we haven't yet hit the spin cycle)

so yeah- Wilson was pretty bad if you consider that decisions he made nearly 100 years ago are skullfvcking us today

[Pwns]

Back on the original topic:
Obama might actually go down quite a bit differently than the foaming at the mouth Radio Right wing hopes...
The history books will tell future generations quite a few things about American's first black president

*The affordable Care Act
25 years from now people won't be able to imagine a world where some folks didn't have healthcare
And it will be difficult to explain why people didn't and why some people did

*Killing Bin Laden
25 years from now he'll be the president listed under that banner

*Marriage Rights
25 years from now nobody will understand why tax breaks and Retirement Benefits and Estate holdings were only available to a man and a woman (and a corporation) but withheld from same sex partners..?
and it will be difficult to explain why a government would openly benefit one and not all



Not saying I think he's a good president
but this fantasy that he's going down as the worst ever is a pipe dream
The history books will have a whole bunch of nice things to say about his terms

We're still in the honeymoon phase of the ACA…people that couldn't get insurance have gotten it so for now you can brag…but there's going to be a day of reckoning not too far down the road when we have a growing and aging and fattening population and we haven't done anything to address the fact that we don't have enough doctors and don't have enough options and transparency with costs. But I suppose people could always say "things would've been worse without it".

What exactly did Obama have to do with SSM besides having an "evolution" after the polls showed there was majority support for it? He repealed DADT but didn't lift a finger to do anything with SSM. He's about as responsible for SSM as Nixon is for the legalization of abortion.

The Bin Laden thing…I give him credit for green-lighting the operation and not bothering to ask the Pakistanis for permission but other than that what did he do to make that whole thing possible?

Scholarship in the future is dead if Obama gets credit for any of this stuff.

[Ibanez]

That's the truth. Look at the way Wilson is generally portrayed and, while I know there will be disagreement, he is arguably one of the worst. Of course, part of that might have been his incapacitation . But on the other hand, he was considered part of academia, so what choice to history academics have but to praise him

Wilson was certainly not the best of them- and he did get us into a world war we had no business being involved in (with the help of a relative of mine who was his minister to the Court of St James... an over the top Anglophile)

then he allowed the UK and France to set the stage for what would start us all on the path to what will be known as the fall of western civilization (once it all comes out in the wash- and we haven't yet hit the spin cycle)

so yeah- Wilson was pretty bad if you consider that decisions he made nearly 100 years ago are skullfvcking us today

Exactly. His position at Versailles was horrible, as well as the obsession of the allies and the Middle East. Thanks guys....you exacerbated a problem.

[tribe_pride]

The winners write the books that have any half life to 'em at all...
The blanket dismissal of Obama as "the worlds worst" whatever is a bit of an over statement
and a HUGE wet day dream of the RIGHT said out loud by the EXACT same guys who said:

"Romney in a landslide"

They are as blind and single minded as lab mice
Sure we can all agree the Obama administration has been a series of sh!tty appointments
a series of failed foreign policy
and a series of political missteps - over and over

But to pretend like that is somehow not the normal presidency these last 30 years is patently absurd
Obama actually got done some landmark stuff and he will be rewarded in history for that
its just a truth...

I always thought Buchanan was pretty bad. How many other Presidents did nothing while the country moved towards civil war?

William Henry Harrison was pretty useless in office but he did have the coolest campaign slogan.

[Chizzang]

We're still in the honeymoon phase of the ACA…people that couldn't get insurance have gotten it so for now you can brag…but there's going to be a day of reckoning not too far down the road when we have a growing and aging and fattening population and we haven't done anything to address the fact that we don't have enough doctors and don't have enough options and transparency with costs. But I suppose people could always say "things would've been worse without it".

What exactly did Obama have to do with SSM besides having an "evolution" after the polls showed there was majority support for it? He repealed DADT but didn't lift a finger to do anything with SSM. He's about as responsible for SSM as Nixon is for the legalization of abortion.

The Bin Laden thing…I give him credit for green-lighting the operation and not bothering to ask the Pakistanis for permission but other than that what did he do to make that whole thing possible?

Scholarship in the future is dead if Obama gets credit for any of this stuff.

Oh I hear you... and I don't disagree with you either

As much as GWB's legacy organizers are busily trying to distance him from the "one man's war" thing today
all we hear about is "congress" and "legal action"
and we're urged to forget the fear tactics used to get congress in line
and "anybody who votes against this will NEVER get re-elected"
Congress are re-election puppets and do as they are instructed and respond to fear tactics like children

It was (no matter how hard his team still tries) ONE MANS WAR...
and that will be the lasting story - no matter how much denial is used to make other stories

Obama is a politician and lit the White House up in gay pride colors
for ONE REASON only - an image for History books - he's taking credit
and he'll get the credit for it (just watch) that image will last for eternity

[ASUG8]

We're still in the honeymoon phase of the ACA…people that couldn't get insurance have gotten it so for now you can brag…but there's going to be a day of reckoning not too far down the road when we have a growing and aging and fattening population and we haven't done anything to address the fact that we don't have enough doctors and don't have enough options and transparency with costs. But I suppose people could always say "things would've been worse without it".

What exactly did Obama have to do with SSM besides having an "evolution" after the polls showed there was majority support for it? He repealed DADT but didn't lift a finger to do anything with SSM. He's about as responsible for SSM as Nixon is for the legalization of abortion.

The Bin Laden thing…I give him credit for green-lighting the operation and not bothering to ask the Pakistanis for permission but other than that what did he do to make that whole thing possible?

Scholarship in the future is dead if Obama gets credit for any of this stuff.

Oh I hear you... and I don't disagree with you either

As much as GWB's legacy organizers are busily trying to distance him from the "one man's war" thing today
all we hear about is "congress" and "legal action"
and we're urged to forget the fear tactics used to get congress in line
and "anybody who votes against this will NEVER get re-elected"
Congress are re-election puppets and do as they are instructed and respond to fear tactics like children

It was (no matter how hard his team still tries) ONE MANS WAR...
and that will be the lasting story - no matter how much denial is used to make other stories

Obama is a politician and lit the White House up in gay pride colors
for ONE REASON only - an image for History books - he's taking credit
and he'll get the credit for it (just watch) that image will last for eternity

Ironic that he was against gay marriage earlier in his term.

[Chizzang]

Oh I hear you... and I don't disagree with you either

As much as GWB's legacy organizers are busily trying to distance him from the "one man's war" thing today
all we hear about is "congress" and "legal action"
and we're urged to forget the fear tactics used to get congress in line
and "anybody who votes against this will NEVER get re-elected"
Congress are re-election puppets and do as they are instructed and respond to fear tactics like children

It was (no matter how hard his team still tries) ONE MANS WAR...
and that will be the lasting story - no matter how much denial is used to make other stories

Obama is a politician and lit the White House up in gay pride colors
for ONE REASON only - an image for History books - he's taking credit
and he'll get the credit for it (just watch) that image will last for eternity

Ironic that he was against gay marriage earlier in his term.

BINGO..!!
It will be part of the "crafted" story...
"In my early days I was like so many people... blah blah blah then I saw the light... blah blah"

It'll be spun as his "growth and insight" as a leader

[Ibanez]

Ironic that he was against gay marriage earlier in his term.

BINGO..!!
It will be part of the "crafted" story...
"In my early days I was like so many people... blah blah blah then I saw the light... blah blah"

It'll be spun as his "growth and insight" as a leader

If you're a democrat:
Democrat - Growth and Insight
Republican - Flip-flop

If you're a republican:
Democrat - Flip-flop
Republican - Growth and Insight

[Ivytalk]

We're still in the honeymoon phase of the ACA…people that couldn't get insurance have gotten it so for now you can brag…but there's going to be a day of reckoning not too far down the road when we have a growing and aging and fattening population and we haven't done anything to address the fact that we don't have enough doctors and don't have enough options and transparency with costs. But I suppose people could always say "things would've been worse without it".

What exactly did Obama have to do with SSM besides having an "evolution" after the polls showed there was majority support for it? He repealed DADT but didn't lift a finger to do anything with SSM. He's about as responsible for SSM as Nixon is for the legalization of abortion.

The Bin Laden thing…I give him credit for green-lighting the operation and not bothering to ask the Pakistanis for permission but other than that what did he do to make that whole thing possible?

Scholarship in the future is dead if Obama gets credit for any of this stuff.

Oh I hear you... and I don't disagree with you either

As much as GWB's legacy organizers are busily trying to distance him from the "one man's war" thing today
all we hear about is "congress" and "legal action"
and we're urged to forget the fear tactics used to get congress in line
and "anybody who votes against this will NEVER get re-elected"
Congress are re-election puppets and do as they are instructed and respond to fear tactics like children

It was (no matter how hard his team still tries) ONE MANS WAR...
and that will be the lasting story - no matter how much denial is used to make other stories

Obama is a politician and lit the White House up in gay pride colors
for ONE REASON only - an image for History books - he's taking credit
and he'll get the credit for it (just watch) that image will last for eternity

Now, that's downright hideous.

[Grizalltheway]

Oh I hear you... and I don't disagree with you either

As much as GWB's legacy organizers are busily trying to distance him from the "one man's war" thing today
all we hear about is "congress" and "legal action"
and we're urged to forget the fear tactics used to get congress in line
and "anybody who votes against this will NEVER get re-elected"
Congress are re-election puppets and do as they are instructed and respond to fear tactics like children

It was (no matter how hard his team still tries) ONE MANS WAR...
and that will be the lasting story - no matter how much denial is used to make other stories

Obama is a politician and lit the White House up in gay pride colors
for ONE REASON only - an image for History books - he's taking credit
and he'll get the credit for it (just watch) that image will last for eternity

Now, that's downright fabulous.

FTFY on behalf of dback.

[Seahawks08]

Oh I hear you... and I don't disagree with you either

As much as GWB's legacy organizers are busily trying to distance him from the "one man's war" thing today
all we hear about is "congress" and "legal action"
and we're urged to forget the fear tactics used to get congress in line
and "anybody who votes against this will NEVER get re-elected"
Congress are re-election puppets and do as they are instructed and respond to fear tactics like children

It was (no matter how hard his team still tries) ONE MANS WAR...
and that will be the lasting story - no matter how much denial is used to make other stories

Obama is a politician and lit the White House up in gay pride colors
for ONE REASON only - an image for History books - he's taking credit
and he'll get the credit for it (just watch) that image will last for eternity

Ironic that he was against gay marriage earlier in his term.

I've said this before and I'll say it again: he only said that to get elected. You could tell he was full of shit when he was interviewed by Rick Warren in 2008. It was only a matter of time before he "evolved" on the issue.

[travelinman67]

Ironic that he was against gay marriage earlier in his term.

I've said this before and I'll say it again: he only said that to get elected. You could tell he was full of shit when he was interviewed by Rick Warren in 2008. It was only a matter of time before he "evolved" on the issue.

In other words, he's a lying, pandering politician.

Hope and Change...

[Vidav]

So, I just did a quick read on Hoover. I've read a biography on him but that was years ago. I find it absolutely interesting that, at first, he was probably the most transparent administration when it came to the press. No president has been as open as he was since then. Obama is probably one of the least transparent, IMO.


What's equally interesting, that since he was a self-made millionaire, he gave away all of his presidential income. He was the first. JFK donated all of his presidential income to charity.

Who knows how he would have been if he didn't have the Great Depression to deal with. But, his legacy is marred by it.

Perhaps I should do some more reading on Hoover and see if I agree.

Your last sentence makes me think of Nixon. He was actually a great president that made a stupid mistake and got caught at it. If it weren't for Watergate who knows how is legacy may have turned out.

[kalm]

So, I just did a quick read on Hoover. I've read a biography on him but that was years ago. I find it absolutely interesting that, at first, he was probably the most transparent administration when it came to the press. No president has been as open as he was since then. Obama is probably one of the least transparent, IMO.


What's equally interesting, that since he was a self-made millionaire, he gave away all of his presidential income. He was the first. JFK donated all of his presidential income to charity.

Who knows how he would have been if he didn't have the Great Depression to deal with. But, his legacy is marred by it.

Perhaps I should do some more reading on Hoover and see if I agree.

Your last sentence makes me think of Nixon. He was actually a great president that made a stupid mistake and got caught at it. If it weren't for Watergate who knows how is legacy may have turned out.

[AZGrizFan]

So, I just did a quick read on Hoover. I've read a biography on him but that was years ago. I find it absolutely interesting that, at first, he was probably the most transparent administration when it came to the press. No president has been as open as he was since then. Obama is probably one of the least transparent, IMO.


What's equally interesting, that since he was a self-made millionaire, he gave away all of his presidential income. He was the first. JFK donated all of his presidential income to charity.

Who knows how he would have been if he didn't have the Great Depression to deal with. But, his legacy is marred by it.

Perhaps I should do some more reading on Hoover and see if I agree.

Your last sentence makes me think of Nixon. He was actually a great president that made a stupid mistake and got caught at it. If it weren't for Watergate who knows how is legacy may have turned out.

His legacy is exactly that: He was a great president who made a stupid mistake.

[Vidav]

Perhaps I should do some more reading on Hoover and see if I agree.

Your last sentence makes me think of Nixon. He was actually a great president that made a stupid mistake and got caught at it. If it weren't for Watergate who knows how is legacy may have turned out.

His legacy is exactly that: He was a great president who made a stupid mistake.

Right. My question was, how different would it have been without Watergate. Similar to how different would Bush 2s legacy have been withouth 9/11.

[AZGrizFan]

His legacy is exactly that: He was a great president who made a stupid mistake.

Right. My question was, how different would it have been without Watergate. Similar to how different would Bush 2s legacy have been withouth 9/11.

Seems like presidents in my lifetime all have had that "one" thing in their administration (always bad) that they're known for. Some (like Obama) seem to think it's some sort of contest and the more "things" they accumulate the better.

[kalm]

Right. My question was, how different would it have been without Watergate. Similar to how different would Bush 2s legacy have been withouth 9/11.

Seems like presidents in my lifetime all have had that "one" thing in their administration (always bad) that they're known for. Some (like Obama) seem to think it's some sort of contest and the more "things" they accumulate the better.

How many of Obama's things equal Watergate and the Iraq War?

[travelinman67]

Seems like presidents in my lifetime all have had that "one" thing in their administration (always bad) that they're known for. Some (like Obama) seem to think it's some sort of contest and the more "things" they accumulate the better.

How many of Obama's things equal Watergate and the Iraq War?

Holy f***!!!

Dude, you need to take off your rose-colored glasses and take a few hits if oxygen.

[kalm]

How many of Obama's things equal Watergate and the Iraq War?

Holy f***!!!

Dude, you need to take off your rose-colored glasses and take a few hits if oxygen.

List them.