McCain choses VP

[Ibanez]

I don't see any woman worth her salt voting for her simply because she's a woman. I've seen a lot of them find it very patronizing. And by that patronization, it has cemented their decision to vote Obama/Binden.

The only other commentary I have is that she needs to ditch the glasses--they do nothing for her appearance. They are just too big for her face. She'd be a lot better looking (though looks don't really matter, do they?) if she had some smaller frames.

Her glasses are too big...got it. Since we're throwing out the caddy stupid bullshit as reasons not to like her then lets look at that shunt Hillary. She looks like she hasn't stepped away from a buffet in two months. Hillary needs a pair of glasses that would cover her entire ugly f**k[*] lying face. This woman's f**k[*] factor is off the charts compared to this shunt that is known as Hillary. Every single woman that I have talked to about these two women thinks that Hillary is a lying, pandering, snake and that Palin is a woman that seems much more genuine. I've only talked to my mother about it and she's a democrat traditionally. Sure it's not very scientific but it's equally as scientific as your statement is.

This is Krista speaking...

"She has no expeirence, what can she bring? Just because she has a vagina, doesnt mean she can be VP."

I agree with her, a vag-jay doesn't qualify you.

[Ursus A. Horribilis]

Her glasses are too big...got it. Since we're throwing out the caddy stupid bullshit as reasons not to like her then lets look at that shunt Hillary. She looks like she hasn't stepped away from a buffet in two months. Hillary needs a pair of glasses that would cover her entire ugly f**k[*] lying face. This woman's f**k[*] factor is off the charts compared to this shunt that is known as Hillary. Every single woman that I have talked to about these two women thinks that Hillary is a lying, pandering, snake and that Palin is a woman that seems much more genuine. I've only talked to my mother about it and she's a democrat traditionally. Sure it's not very scientific but it's equally as scientific as your statement is.

This is Krista speaking...

"She has no expeirence, what can she bring? Just because she has a vagina, doesnt mean she can be VP."

I agree with her, a vag-jay doesn't qualify you.

So Hillary is the one with the experience huh? I was posting concerning the vacuous nature of the glasses comment. I have said having a vagina is NOT a qualification for a very long time but that doesn't seem to resonate with the women that wanted Hillary in droves. So how is it that now it is not a qualification for these women? You also agree with me and many others that it is not a qualification for anything politically...and yet she was the clear cut winner among democratic women.

[Ibanez]

This is Krista speaking...

"She has no expeirence, what can she bring? Just because she has a vagina, doesnt mean she can be VP."

I agree with her, a vag-jay doesn't qualify you.

So Hillary is the one with the experience huh? I was posting concerning the vacuous nature of the glasses comment. I have said having a vagina is NOT a qualification for a very long time but that doesn't seem to resonate with the women that wanted Hillary in droves. So how is it that now it is not a qualification for these women? You also agree with me and many others that it is not a qualification for anything politically...and yet she was the clear cut winner among democratic women.

You got it wrong, Krista is 100% anti-Clinton...something about her being a liar and you know the rest.

[Ibanez]

Seriously though,
Am I missing something? Why would McCain pick this unknown, with zero national expeirence, 2 years of governing a state? What does she bring to improve the ticket and to improve the country? Is it her energy ideas? I've read her bio(a few of them) and I can't come up with anything. Surely, it is to draw in the disenfranchised HRC supporters but her history is weak.

[Ibanez]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Political_ ... arah_Palin

[Ursus A. Horribilis]

Seriously though,
Am I missing something? Why would McCain pick this unknown, with zero national expeirence, 2 years of governing a state? What does she bring to improve the ticket and to improve the country? Is it her energy ideas? I've read her bio(a few of them) and I can't come up with anything. Surely, it is to draw in the disenfranchised HRC supporters but her history is weak.

Look I'm not entrenched in either side as far as repubs or dems. The thing that I just find comical is the fact that because she is a woman it's the first thing that everybody latches on to as if it's a gimmick and she has nothing else. She is big on most of the points of emphasis that McCain has been railed on for not be conservative enough. She is anti abortion, pro gun, and big on religion, These are all areas that McCain is suspect on and by choosing her McCain bolsters his position with the Republicans. She will get SOME women that don't care about what her stances on the issues are as much as that she is a woman. There are not a lot of those type of women and also not a lot of the Hillary supporters Touting that as the reason for picking her is asinine. Yet it is what many people are thinking and using as an insult to him.

She has lowered property taxes as a mayor, she has managed a budget for the police force, the education system, and all of the other things that are required of an EXECUTIVE position. This is something than none of the other candidates have done. Her experience compared to the Presidential nomination for the Dems is superior and yet those that are going for Obama are bringing up the experience question? You have to be fucking kidding me. She has also worked across the aisle in Alaska and has gotten things done by working with both dems and repubs in Alaska. She has ACTUALLY done a lot of the things Obama says he is going to do.

I think she has a lot of the attributes of Bobby Jindal, and I would have like to see him get the nod but he said he wouldn't take it. The fact that she is as close to Jimdal as I have seen in candidates for the vp position and she is an attractive woman makes her seem like a decent choice to me.

You very well may be missing something Mark and you should wait a couple of weeks because we will learn much, much more about the lady and she is charming motherfucker so give the unknown a chance to become a known and I will bet that you will like what you see. She is a lot more like the common man with common sense than anybody else on either ticket.

[Cleets Part 2]

Let me be the 1,789th poster to say: I'd Hit That..!!!


I've always like that Librarian Pencil Behind the ear Hair in a Bun Glasses Collared Blouse look..

[Ibanez]

Seriously though,
Am I missing something? Why would McCain pick this unknown, with zero national expeirence, 2 years of governing a state? What does she bring to improve the ticket and to improve the country? Is it her energy ideas? I've read her bio(a few of them) and I can't come up with anything. Surely, it is to draw in the disenfranchised HRC supporters but her history is weak.

Look I'm not entrenched in either side as far as repubs or dems. The thing that I just find comical is the fact that because she is a woman it's the first thing that everybody latches on to as if it's a gimmick and she has nothing else. She is big on most of the points of emphasis that McCain has been railed on for not be conservative enough. She is anti abortion, pro gun, and big on religion, These are all areas that McCain is suspect on and by choosing her McCain bolsters his position with the Republicans. She will get SOME women that don't care about what her stances on the issues are as much as that she is a woman. There are not a lot of those type of women and also not a lot of the Hillary supporters Touting that as the reason for picking her is asinine. Yet it is what many people are thinking and using as an insult to him.

She has lowered property taxes as a mayor, she has managed a budget for the police force, the education system, and all of the other things that are required of an EXECUTIVE position. This is something than none of the other candidates have done. Her experience compared to the Presidential nomination for the Dems is superior and yet those that are going for Obama are bringing up the experience question? You have to be f**k[*] kidding me. She has also worked across the aisle in Alaska and has gotten things done by working with both dems and repubs in Alaska. She has ACTUALLY done a lot of the things Obama says he is going to do.

I think she has a lot of the attributes of Bobby Jindal, and I would have like to see him get the nod but he said he wouldn't take it. The fact that she is as close to Jimdal as I have seen in candidates for the vp position and she is an attractive woman makes her seem like a decent choice to me.

You very well may be missing something Mark and you should wait a couple of weeks because we will learn much, much more about the lady and she is charming motherfucker so give the unknown a chance to become a known and I will bet that you will like what you see. She is a lot more like the common man with common sense than anybody else on either ticket.

I will of course give her a chance, i'm just confused. She could be #2, I want to know that the person in the #2 spot will be able to step up in case #1 goes down.

[Ursus A. Horribilis]

I will of course give her a chance, i'm just confused. She could be #2, I want to know that the person in the #2 spot will be able to step up in case #1 goes down.

I understand that but just don't see the logic as to why it's a focal point. Let's say for instance that she has a 50/50 chance of being thrust into that position. Let's also assume that it would probably be a couple of years down the road. These are just numbers pulled out the air with no theory behind them but she would have a couple of years of experience in the office at that point. She would have even more experience than she does now and at this point right now she has more experience than the guy that is going to be running show on the other side from day 1 and he has a 100% chance of having to do the job from when he takes office. If experience and capability are a big issue then why is this litmus test not applied to both sides equally? I like Obama's choice as well as I think Biden would do a good job if needed. I like Obama as well but the thing that I just can't get my head around is how she can be questioned on this issue but Obama is not. Not to mention the fact again but she does have and is the only one in the mix of the four that DOES HAVE executive experience and yet this question is being asked of her. I just don't get it.

[Ibanez]

I will of course give her a chance, i'm just confused. She could be #2, I want to know that the person in the #2 spot will be able to step up in case #1 goes down.

I understand that but just don't see the logic as to why it's a focal point. Let's say for instance that she has a 50/50 chance of being thrust into that position. Let's also assume that it would probably be a couple of years down the road. These are just numbers pulled out the air with no theory behind them but she would have a couple of years of experience in the office at that point. She would have even more experience than she does now and at this point right now she has more experience than the guy that is going to be running show on the other side from day 1 and he has a 100% chance of having to do the job from when he takes office. If experience and capability are a big issue then why is this litmus test not applied to both sides equally? I like Obama's choice as well as I think Biden would do a good job if needed. I like Obama as well but the thing that I just can't get my head around is how she can be questioned on this issue but Obama is not. Not to mention the fact again but she does have and is the only one in the mix of the four that DOES HAVE executive experience and yet this question is being asked of her. I just don't get it.

But, I think we've seen from Bush that just because you can run a state, doesn't mean you'd be able to run a country. I'm looking at the worst possible situation, because those are the ones you plan for.

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But, I think we've seen from Bush that just because you can run a state, doesn't mean you'd be able to run a country. I'm looking at the worst possible situation, because those are the ones you plan for.

Clinton also ran a state and did a pretty good job. GWB did a bad job and was in a bad situation due to many things were not taken care of before he got there also. He was not a good leader due to his self interests and the interests of his buddies as well. Doesn't take away from the fact that having some experience is better than having none at all. Planning for the worst situation is a real good idea. The thing I'm not getting across very well is that there is a bigger chance that Obama will be in the office than Palin will be but the question does not seem to apply to him. Shouldn't the more likely scenario be addressed more vigorously than the long shot at this point?

[Ibanez]

Shouldn't the more likely scenario be addressed more vigorously than the long shot at this point?

I concur. I told Krista that I would have to wait a week, learn more and hear her speak before I form an opinion.

[Cleets Part 2]

All I got to say about that...

[AZGrizFan]

Look I'm not entrenched in either side as far as repubs or dems. The thing that I just find comical is the fact that because she is a woman it's the first thing that everybody latches on to as if it's a gimmick and she has nothing else. She is big on most of the points of emphasis that McCain has been railed on for not be conservative enough. She is anti abortion, pro gun, and big on religion, These are all areas that McCain is suspect on and by choosing her McCain bolsters his position with the Republicans. She will get SOME women that don't care about what her stances on the issues are as much as that she is a woman. There are not a lot of those type of women and also not a lot of the Hillary supporters Touting that as the reason for picking her is asinine. Yet it is what many people are thinking and using as an insult to him.

She has lowered property taxes as a mayor, she has managed a budget for the police force, the education system, and all of the other things that are required of an EXECUTIVE position. This is something than none of the other candidates have done. Her experience compared to the Presidential nomination for the Dems is superior and yet those that are going for Obama are bringing up the experience question? You have to be f**k[*] kidding me. She has also worked across the aisle in Alaska and has gotten things done by working with both dems and repubs in Alaska. She has ACTUALLY done a lot of the things Obama says he is going to do.

I think she has a lot of the attributes of Bobby Jindal, and I would have like to see him get the nod but he said he wouldn't take it. The fact that she is as close to Jimdal as I have seen in candidates for the vp position and she is an attractive woman makes her seem like a decent choice to me.

You very well may be missing something Mark and you should wait a couple of weeks because we will learn much, much more about the lady and she is charming motherfucker so give the unknown a chance to become a known and I will bet that you will like what you see. She is a lot more like the common man with common sense than anybody else on either ticket.

I will of course give her a chance, i'm just confused. She could be #2, I want to know that the person in the #2 spot will be able to step up in case #1 goes down.

Why? We don't know if the NUMBER ONE person on the donk side can do it....

[Cleets Part 2]

Um... McCain's pick:

[Ibanez]

I will of course give her a chance, i'm just confused. She could be #2, I want to know that the person in the #2 spot will be able to step up in case #1 goes down.

Why? We don't know if the NUMBER ONE person on the donk side can do it....

We don't know if McCain can be effective either?
The dude is out of touch with reality.

[travelinman67]

We don't know if McCain can be effective either?
The dude is out of touch with reality.

Why? Because he was a military brat, he became a national hero upon his return from 'Nam, and his 26 years in Congress? Or because he married into wealth?

He has REPEATEDLY bucked the D.C. party machines, acted to break the partisan logjam over and over, and refused to meet disreputable lobbyists in darkened corners to take bribes and "slip in" taxpayer-robbing pork to benefit special interests. When the party bosses would craft slimy rules to facilitate "backdoor" funneling of special interest money, he crossed the aisle and took on the party bosses with Russ Feingold. Many people have criticized the outcome of their bill, yet, in 50 years, no other member of congress had the guts to go after the campaign financing special interest lobby/party boss money machines.

If your implication is that he doesn't shop at WalMart, drive a 10 yr old car, and sweat over paying his bills every month while worrying about how to send his kids to college, then you better include virtually EVERY politician in Washington. I don't know of ANY elected official in D.C. who has a lifestyle and has to face the same pressures as the average American.

And if you want to "weigh" all the problems resulting from Washington that harm Americans as a result of "being out of touch", I absolutely assert that the special interest lobby does MORE damage, to every American than any other single issue. What ISN'T discussed by the press (who are a special interest), is that the party bosses (read majority leader/speaker), who control most of the party money, PLAY SPECIAL INTERESTS AGAINST ONE ANOTHER IN A DEFACTO BIDDING WAR FOR CONGRESSIONAL ACTION/INACTION, IN A LEGALIZED FORM OF EXTORTION OR (AS I PERSONALLY IDENTIFY IT), A LEGALIZED "SHAKEDOWN" OF EVERY PROFITABLE/WEALTHY PERSON/GROUP IN THE U.S.. If you think that's overstating things, ask yourself when the last time you heard Congress debate an anti-trust issue? High energy prices; airline industry collapsing; runaway market destabilization resulting from unregulated (but government insured) financial service providers; and most importantly, a broken healthcare system where a simple visit to any regional medical center for an "urgent care, non-trauma" injury, to the uninsured, results in the injured party receiving a bill for $7,000 per hour for medical services; all of these market problems that negatively impact Americans, in some way, resulted from unchecked consolidation and "price-fixing" practices, which Congress has virtually ENTIRELY IGNORED for the past 35 years.

I am a capitalist, yet our economy is not healthy because special interest have "greased" congress to turn a blind eye to traditional market mechanisms designed to IMPROVE COMPETITION, IMPROVE PRODUCTS AND SERVICES, CREATE MARKET GROWTH, AND ULTIMATELY BENEFIT BOTH THE CONSUMER AND, VICARIOUSLY, OUR GOVERNMENT'S ABILITY TO PROTECT AMERICA, AMERICANS, AND AMERICA'S INTERESTS ABROAD.

McCain understands the severity of this problem, which is why he has broken from the tradition of "central party boss as dictator" approach to enforcing partisanship and preventing common sense Congressional representation. If you REALLY want to discuss who is "out of touch with reality", look to the politics of the NE Dems who simply "don't get it". Drive around the "rust belt" states, or any formerly industrialized NE state (NY, MA, CT) and look at all the cities with boarded up factories, shops, who now rely on defacto welfare aid from government grants and redevelopment aid for survival. I went to a Northern MA town, which had been a beautiful, thriving, city with an impressive manufacturing/clothing mill/agriculture history, prior to the 60's. Today, at the site of one of the largest closed plants in town (a massive, turn of the century clothing mill located on the waterfront), one of the plant's largest buildings, 7 floors, 200'x500' (approx), owned by the city's redevelopment agency, has been converted into leased office space. When I walked in and looked at the building's directory, of the 35-40 or so tenant's listed, all but two (one of which was my client) housed a field office of a government agency.

Rather than discussing "who is out of touch with reality", you should be discussing "who is conning America", Mark. Mr. Social Services, Barack Obama, and the KING of out of touch with reality, Joe Biden are just another in a long line of "elitists" offered by the Democrats to carry their legacy of lies into the 21st century. If sitting in the living room of every American's home, knee to knee, looking at you with puppy dog eyes and an empathetic facial expression, while muttering, "You poor soul. This has to change. I'm going to do something about it, and I really appreciate your support."...before walking down the street, getting into their union provided limousine tranportation...


...back to the airport for a charter jet flight back to the regional airport...


...10 miles from their million dollar estate in the "uptown" side of the tracks is your idea of a politician who's "in touch with reality", then Obama and Biden are the best pick.

Gotta hit the road again.

Cleets...bring your liver with you tonight...and I don't want to hear any girly crying about "early meetings" tomorrow.

[Ibanez]

http://www.crooksandliars.com/2008/05/0 ... h-moments/

McCain told Fox News’ Neil Cavuto that “a lot of our problems today, as you know, are psychological.”

Now, Obama is nowhere near perfect, and I have my own probelms with him, so don't think that I'm part of some, Obamanation. BUt, McCain needs his people to get with a reporter and tell him how many homes he owns?!

http://bravenewfilms.org/blog/49690-poo ... ons-he-has

I like http://www.factcheck.org/. It calls out both parties.

[Ursus A. Horribilis]

How many homes HE owns? From what I understand HE owns none of those homes. Cindy's fathers trust owned the homes I thought, and they are homes that are lived in by her family members. Am I wrong on that? McCain signed a prenup so he may consider it his business and doesn't care about the business end that Cindy takes care of. I don't get how that's even considered a gaffe. I don't consider Obama as out of touch or stupid for his 57 states comment.

[Ibanez]

How many homes HE owns? From what I understand HE owns none of those homes. Cindy's fathers trust owned the homes I thought, and they are homes that are lived in by her family members. Am I wrong on that? McCain signed a prenup so he may consider it his business and doesn't care about the business end that Cindy takes care of. I don't get how that's even considered a gaffe. I don't consider Obama as out of touch or stupid for his 57 states comment.

I'm looking beyond the actual question. It's simple trust. If I asked you how many cars you own or something, and you said you'd have to get back to me, I would be weary about asking you a difficult question.

And 57 states....yikes! I remember in High School kids thought we had 60 states.

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How many homes HE owns? From what I understand HE owns none of those homes. Cindy's fathers trust owned the homes I thought, and they are homes that are lived in by her family members. Am I wrong on that? McCain signed a prenup so he may consider it his business and doesn't care about the business end that Cindy takes care of. I don't get how that's even considered a gaffe. I don't consider Obama as out of touch or stupid for his 57 states comment.

I'm looking beyond the actual question. It's simple trust. If I asked you how many cars you own or something, and you said you'd have to get back to me, I would be weary about asking you a difficult question.

And 57 states....yikes! I remember in High School kids thought we had 60 states.

Mark, it is funny that you said that about cars...I honestly had to stop and count them up. I have four trucks and two cars. I have a feeling that I am forgetting one. I only drive one on a daily basis. I guess if that makes me untrustworthy then so be it. I try to live honorably in spite of the fact that I get tripped up sometimes. I think it's really funny that you brought up vehicles because I really did have to count them up.

Also wanted to say that I enjoy having a poli discussion over here. I was just doing some reading on the other board and the absolute entrenched disregard for each others views is really troubling. Every one has their guy and their party and there is no discussion about anything just people trying to take head shots at each other and lumping every one that does not believe as they do into the same pile. This country seems to be turning into a bunch of children in a sand box choosing up sides. I'm just glad that it hasn't gotten to that point on this board yet and there can be some reasonable discussion. Thanks for that Mark.

[Ibanez]

I'm looking beyond the actual question. It's simple trust. If I asked you how many cars you own or something, and you said you'd have to get back to me, I would be weary about asking you a difficult question.

And 57 states....yikes! I remember in High School kids thought we had 60 states.

Mark, it is funny that you said that about cars...I honestly had to stop and count them up. I have four trucks and two cars. I have a feeling that I am forgetting one. I only drive one on a daily basis. I guess if that makes me untrustworthy then so be it. I try to live honorably in spite of the fact that I get tripped up sometimes. I think it's really funny that you brought up vehicles because I really did have to count them up.

Also wanted to say that I enjoy having a poli discussion over here. I was just doing some reading on the other board and the absolute entrenched disregard for each others views is really troubling. Every one has their guy and their party and there is no discussion about anything just people trying to take head shots at each other and lumping every one that does not believe as they do into the same pile. This country seems to be turning into a bunch of children in a sand box choosing up sides. I'm just glad that it hasn't gotten to that point on this board yet and there can be some reasonable discussion. Thanks for that Mark.

I haven't chosen a side and I sincerely appreciate the respect that has been in this thread.

I forget things too, but I don't say my people will get back to you. Perception is reality.

In all honesty, I'm not sure who to vote for

[Ursus A. Horribilis]

I haven't chosen a side and I sincerely appreciate the respect that has been in this thread.

I forget things too, but I don't say my people will get back to you. Perception is reality.

In all honesty, I'm not sure who to vote for

Maybe that's the key is not to just be entrenched because I am only now felling like supporting McCain after he chose Palin. It seems like he may be willing to not be the McSame that he is being painted as.

As for the bold part...If I had people that's all you'd ever hear me say brother. Hell, I wouldn't even be typing this right now.

[Ibanez]

I haven't chosen a side and I sincerely appreciate the respect that has been in this thread.

I forget things too, but I don't say my people will get back to you. Perception is reality.

In all honesty, I'm not sure who to vote for

Maybe that's the key is not to just be entrenched because I am only now felling like supporting McCain after he chose Palin. It seems like he may be willing to not be the McSame that he is being painted as.

As for the bold part...If I had people that's all you'd ever hear me say brother. Hell, I wouldn't even be typing this right now.

ha..lazy lazy lazy.

[AZGrizFan]

Mark, it is funny that you said that about cars...I honestly had to stop and count them up. I have four trucks and two cars. I have a feeling that I am forgetting one. I only drive one on a daily basis. I guess if that makes me untrustworthy then so be it. I try to live honorably in spite of the fact that I get tripped up sometimes. I think it's really funny that you brought up vehicles because I really did have to count them up.

Also wanted to say that I enjoy having a poli discussion over here. I was just doing some reading on the other board and the absolute entrenched disregard for each others views is really troubling. Every one has their guy and their party and there is no discussion about anything just people trying to take head shots at each other and lumping every one that does not believe as they do into the same pile. This country seems to be turning into a bunch of children in a sand box choosing up sides. I'm just glad that it hasn't gotten to that point on this board yet and there can be some reasonable discussion. Thanks for that Mark.

I haven't chosen a side and I sincerely appreciate the respect that has been in this thread.

I forget things too, but I don't say my people will get back to you. Perception is reality.

In all honesty, I'm not sure who to vote for

Your recent posts do NOT reflect this....