Backpeddaling?Grizalltheway wrote:Keep backpedaling. It's rather entertaining.
Translation.kalm wrote:I concede.Baldy wrote: "The Establishment" by it's very definition is the entrenched elite who hold the power. In "the media", those are the NBC's, ABC's, CBS', CNN's, Washington Posts, New York Times, Associated Press, Reuters, etc. etc. etc. etc. etc. etc. of the world. The counterculture are the ones who go against the entrenched elite...the ones who stray away from the mainstream i.e. "The Establishment". For all its power and ratings FOX News, the WSJ, as well as, The Washington Times, etc. are not members of that elite and powerful club, and are shunned by those very elites to the point of ridicule.
So yeah, as I said, there is no right-wing establishment media.
Though I'm sure you're going to find something on HuffPoop or The Atlantic, or one of those mainstream media sites that will tell you different.
Baldy, Fox is the Establishment. The Blaze would be more "counter culture"Baldy wrote:"The Establishment" by it's very definition is the entrenched elite who hold the power. In "the media", those are the NBC's, ABC's, CBS', CNN's, Washington Posts, New York Times, Associated Press, Reuters, etc. etc. etc. etc. etc. etc. of the world. The counterculture are the ones who go against the entrenched elite...the ones who stray away from the mainstream i.e. "The Establishment". For all its power and ratings FOX News, the WSJ, as well as, The Washington Times, etc. are not members of that elite and powerful club, and are shunned by those very elites to the point of ridicule.kalm wrote:
Yeah…there's no such thing as right wing establishment media.
So yeah, as I said, there is no right-wing establishment media.
Though I'm sure you're going to find something on HuffPoop or The Atlantic, or one of those mainstream media sites that will tell you different.
C'mon. You can't be serious. 
Not all. My record is something like 200-3 against you. I just thought it'd be entertaining to have someone else explain the media for ya.Baldy wrote:Translation.kalm wrote:
I concede.
Yep. The most popular news network and most widely-read newspaper in the country are somehow on the counter-culture fringe. Thanks for sharing that bit of wisdom with us.Baldy wrote:Backpeddaling?Grizalltheway wrote:Keep backpedaling. It's rather entertaining.
What's entertaining is your ignorance and the pleasure you seem to get by showing it off to us every time you post about a subject in which you have no functional knowledge.
Since Rupert Murdoch bought it, you can certainly make that case.Ibanez wrote:Baldy, Fox is the Establishment. The Blaze would be more "counter culture"Baldy wrote: "The Establishment" by it's very definition is the entrenched elite who hold the power. In "the media", those are the NBC's, ABC's, CBS', CNN's, Washington Posts, New York Times, Associated Press, Reuters, etc. etc. etc. etc. etc. etc. of the world. The counterculture are the ones who go against the entrenched elite...the ones who stray away from the mainstream i.e. "The Establishment". For all its power and ratings FOX News, the WSJ, as well as, The Washington Times, etc. are not members of that elite and powerful club, and are shunned by those very elites to the point of ridicule.
So yeah, as I said, there is no right-wing establishment media.
Though I'm sure you're going to find something on HuffPoop or The Atlantic, or one of those mainstream media sites that will tell you different.
And the Wall Street Journal is not part of elite media?
I see what you did there.Ivytalk wrote:Since Rupert Murdoch bought it, you can certainly make that case.Ibanez wrote:
Baldy, Fox is the Establishment. The Blaze would be more "counter culture"
And the Wall Street Journal is not part of elite media?
NewsCorp, the parent company of Dow Jones & Co. which publishes the WSJ, is hardly counter culture. Even though it was split last year in to a new News Corp and 21st Century Fox, the companies have an impressive list of assets. NatGeo, Fox Entertainment Group, Hulu, SyFy, Speed, Fuel TV, Hundreds of newspapers in a dozen or so countries, satelittle TV, radio, etc....Ivytalk wrote:Since Rupert Murdoch bought it, you can certainly make that case.Ibanez wrote:
Baldy, Fox is the Establishment. The Blaze would be more "counter culture"
And the Wall Street Journal is not part of elite media?
To Conks and only Conks, yes Fox News could be considered The Establishment. However, taking in the entire spectrum of media, they are both the red hedded step-children. The Blaze is another part of the niche media. Because Fox News and The Blaze share a similar ideology, they cant be diametrically opposed from eaxh other. The counterculture exists to be the diametric opposition to The Establishment.Ibanez wrote:Baldy, Fox is the Establishment. The Blaze would be more "counter culture"Baldy wrote: "The Establishment" by it's very definition is the entrenched elite who hold the power. In "the media", those are the NBC's, ABC's, CBS', CNN's, Washington Posts, New York Times, Associated Press, Reuters, etc. etc. etc. etc. etc. etc. of the world. The counterculture are the ones who go against the entrenched elite...the ones who stray away from the mainstream i.e. "The Establishment". For all its power and ratings FOX News, the WSJ, as well as, The Washington Times, etc. are not members of that elite and powerful club, and are shunned by those very elites to the point of ridicule.
So yeah, as I said, there is no right-wing establishment media.
Though I'm sure you're going to find something on HuffPoop or The Atlantic, or one of those mainstream media sites that will tell you different.
And the Wall Street Journal is not part of elite media?
Kalm, please...you would lose an argument with a mirror.kalm wrote:Not all. My record is something like 200-3 against you. I just thought it'd be entertaining to have someone else explain the media for ya.Baldy wrote: Translation.
Fox news is the establishment. Look at all that NewsCorp owns. They are everywhere. The Blaze, ugh, is right up there with Al Gores Current TV (before he sold it).Baldy wrote:To Conks and only Conks, yes Fox News could be considered The Establishment. However, taking in the entire spectrum of media, they are both the red hedded step-children. The Blaze is another part of the niche media. Because Fox News and The Blaze share a similar ideology, they cant be diametrically opposed from eaxh other. The counterculture exists to be the diametric opposition to The Establishment.Ibanez wrote:
Baldy, Fox is the Establishment. The Blaze would be more "counter culture"
And the Wall Street Journal is not part of elite media?
There is no doubt that the WSJ is the go to source for financial news. However, editorially speaking, they are sitting at the same table with Fox News.
Ibanez...again, it doesn't matter how big you are, how much you own, or your market share, The Establishment are the philosophical and cultural elite...the ones who hold the power in the media. Even with all his assets, that is one club membership Rupert Murdoch's money can't buy.Ibanez wrote:Fox news is the establishment. Look at all that NewsCorp owns. They are everywhere. The Blaze, ugh, is right up there with Al Gores Current TV (before he sold it).Baldy wrote: To Conks and only Conks, yes Fox News could be considered The Establishment. However, taking in the entire spectrum of media, they are both the red hedded step-children. The Blaze is another part of the niche media. Because Fox News and The Blaze share a similar ideology, they cant be diametrically opposed from eaxh other. The counterculture exists to be the diametric opposition to The Establishment.
There is no doubt that the WSJ is the go to source for financial news. However, editorially speaking, they are sitting at the same table with Fox News.
WSJ (owned by NewsCorp) = EstablishmentIbanez wrote:Fox news is the establishment. Look at all that NewsCorp owns. They are everywhere. The Blaze, ugh, is right up there with Al Gores Current TV (before he sold it).Baldy wrote: To Conks and only Conks, yes Fox News could be considered The Establishment. However, taking in the entire spectrum of media, they are both the red hedded step-children. The Blaze is another part of the niche media. Because Fox News and The Blaze share a similar ideology, they cant be diametrically opposed from eaxh other. The counterculture exists to be the diametric opposition to The Establishment.
There is no doubt that the WSJ is the go to source for financial news. However, editorially speaking, they are sitting at the same table with Fox News.
Maria Bartiromo is not with CNBC anymore. And Rick Santelli is fucking awesome.kalm wrote:Yeah…there's no such thing as right wing establishment media.Baldy wrote: The National Review is a niche brand.
The Heartland Institute?
FOX and The WSJ are the new counterculture media.
Talk radio is entertainment. I agree…for some. It also happens to be a part of the media.
And CNBC is now all of the sudden right-wing? Economically (which is what it covers)…yes.
CAA Flagship wrote:Maria Bartiromo is not with CNBC anymore. And Rick Santelli is fucking awesome.kalm wrote:
Yeah…there's no such thing as right wing establishment media.
[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZQKO_PzvqKc[/youtube]
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/07/1 ... 86448.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;The CNBC reporter whose rant helped launch America's tea party movement was told off Monday amid -- what else -- one of his epic rants.
As Rick Santelli shouted from the floor of the Chicago Board of Trade against the Federal Reserve's policies on "Fast Money Halftime Report," CNBC reporter Steve Liesman took him down a peg.
"It's impossible for you to have been more wrong, Rick," Liesman said. "Your call for inflation, the destruction of the dollar, the failure of the U.S. economy to rebound... The higher interest rates never came, the inability of the U.S. to sell bonds never happened, the dollar never crashed Rick, there isn't a single one that's worked for you."
“I wasn’t wrong on inflation," Santelli declared. "I didn’t know policy would be so bad that we’d get no velocity after five-and-a-half years.”
TIME explained Santelli's argument in its deconstruction of the on-screen fight:
By velocity, he basically means that no one is spending money, even though the Fed’s QE program has, in a sense “printed” a lot of it. Santelli has claimed before that he didn’t actually predict high inflation. As Business Insider has pointed out, the record says otherwise.
"Every single bit of advice you gave would've lost people money," Liesman told Santelli. "There is no piece of advice you've given that's worked."
Leave it to HuffPoop to call that putting someone "in his place"kalm wrote:CAA Flagship wrote: Maria Bartiromo is not with CNBC anymore. And Rick Santelli is fucking awesome.
[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZQKO_PzvqKc[/youtube]http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/07/1 ... 86448.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;The CNBC reporter whose rant helped launch America's tea party movement was told off Monday amid -- what else -- one of his epic rants.
As Rick Santelli shouted from the floor of the Chicago Board of Trade against the Federal Reserve's policies on "Fast Money Halftime Report," CNBC reporter Steve Liesman took him down a peg.
"It's impossible for you to have been more wrong, Rick," Liesman said. "Your call for inflation, the destruction of the dollar, the failure of the U.S. economy to rebound... The higher interest rates never came, the inability of the U.S. to sell bonds never happened, the dollar never crashed Rick, there isn't a single one that's worked for you."
“I wasn’t wrong on inflation," Santelli declared. "I didn’t know policy would be so bad that we’d get no velocity after five-and-a-half years.”
TIME explained Santelli's argument in its deconstruction of the on-screen fight:
By velocity, he basically means that no one is spending money, even though the Fed’s QE program has, in a sense “printed” a lot of it. Santelli has claimed before that he didn’t actually predict high inflation. As Business Insider has pointed out, the record says otherwise.
"Every single bit of advice you gave would've lost people money," Liesman told Santelli. "There is no piece of advice you've given that's worked."
Baldy wrote:Leave it to HuffPoop to call that putting someone "in his place"kalm wrote:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/07/1 ... 86448.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
kalm wrote:Baldy wrote: Leave it to HuffPoop to call that putting someone "in his place"
You can actually win threads?kalm wrote:And I'm sure you think you've won this thread too!Baldy wrote:
They turned off the scoreboard, Baldy.Baldy wrote:You can actually win threads?kalm wrote:
And I'm sure you think you've won this thread too!
What's the score?
Don't get me wrong. I'm not saying Santelli is right or wrong. I'm saying he is very entertaining.kalm wrote:CAA Flagship wrote: Maria Bartiromo is not with CNBC anymore. And Rick Santelli is fucking awesome.
[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZQKO_PzvqKc[/youtube]http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/07/1 ... 86448.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;The CNBC reporter whose rant helped launch America's tea party movement was told off Monday amid -- what else -- one of his epic rants.
As Rick Santelli shouted from the floor of the Chicago Board of Trade against the Federal Reserve's policies on "Fast Money Halftime Report," CNBC reporter Steve Liesman took him down a peg.
"It's impossible for you to have been more wrong, Rick," Liesman said. "Your call for inflation, the destruction of the dollar, the failure of the U.S. economy to rebound... The higher interest rates never came, the inability of the U.S. to sell bonds never happened, the dollar never crashed Rick, there isn't a single one that's worked for you."
“I wasn’t wrong on inflation," Santelli declared. "I didn’t know policy would be so bad that we’d get no velocity after five-and-a-half years.”
TIME explained Santelli's argument in its deconstruction of the on-screen fight:
By velocity, he basically means that no one is spending money, even though the Fed’s QE program has, in a sense “printed” a lot of it. Santelli has claimed before that he didn’t actually predict high inflation. As Business Insider has pointed out, the record says otherwise.
"Every single bit of advice you gave would've lost people money," Liesman told Santelli. "There is no piece of advice you've given that's worked."
That's sweet.kalm wrote:They turned off the scoreboard, Baldy.Baldy wrote: You can actually win threads?
What's the score?
But it's ok, you get a participation ribbon!
