Creationists Lose Fight Over Texas Textbooks

[D1B]

I went to Catholic HS, my wife went to Catholic school her whole life. My kids go to Catholic school. We all learned about Evolution. What is the malfunction here? Who is it exactly that teaches Creationism over Evolution? Is it a specific sect? I don't understand anything about the Protestant side of things, too many reason, too many groups, too little time or energy.

Evangelicals. Those that believe in a literal view of the Bible. ie Adam and Eve were real, Eve created from Adam's Rib, etc.

Hey Dingback,

He knows that shit cuz when he was a child, that's what catholic schools taught and they still do to the youngsters who don't know any better.

The Catholic Church only recently and reluctantly accepted the TOE. They had to lest they lo$e credibility in their excellent universities.

[CID1990]

I went to Catholic HS, my wife went to Catholic school her whole life. My kids go to Catholic school. We all learned about Evolution. What is the malfunction here? Who is it exactly that teaches Creationism over Evolution? Is it a specific sect? I don't understand anything about the Protestant side of things, too many reason, too many groups, too little time or energy.

Evangelicals. Those that believe in a literal view of the Bible. ie Adam and Eve were real, Eve created from Adam's Rib, etc.

If you're going to be a chicken little about Christians at least get your terms right.

Evangelicals are not necessarily literalists. Their common thread is their belief that spreading Christianity is a duty.

You meant to say Fundamentalists.

[Pwns]

We've been over this before, Chizzy. Just about everyone has some opinions that go against mainstream scientific consensus. It's not limited to the conservative, uneducated, or the religious.

1. People insist organic foods have health benefits when there is no evidence that they do.
2. People won't vaccinate their kids because they think it will cause autism.
3. People want to ban genetically modified foods (a terrible idea) because they think it will eat their brains and kill the polar bears or something.

At least being a creationist you won't be responsible for an outbreak of whopping cough or food prices needlessly going up. And you better believe there are people fighting against removing outdated information about GMOs in textbooks and replacing it with more accurate information. Not holding my breath waiting for those people to be mocked in the same way creationists are.

Why is all the outrage at how western civilization is going down the toilet because of "anti-science" saved exclusively for creationists? The sacred cow of evolution.

Here's where you completely wiff... Pay Attention:
Because the old Testament says some nonsense about THE creation
We are today still debating creationism in the face of actual observable science

The Point:
If the Old Testament said some nonsense about Electricity or Water
We'd be debating that water doesn't actually boil at 212 degrees and when it freezes it actually because of Moses not observable molecular behavior / or we'd be debating the nature of Electrons in relation to the word of God

The points you are making above are because of BAD popular INFORMATION
Similar to urban legend - and once debunked disappear forever

Yet, 2000 years later we're still discussing Creationism vs. observable science
And with Evolution when new information comes along - the evolution debate will include the new info
Not Stand fast against the New observed data

Right..?

Connecticut passes mandatory labeling for GMO foods, basically validating unfounded concerns over GMOs. Don't think people can be just as stubborn when it comes to this as they can to things that might clash with their religious beliefs.

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[houndawg]

Here's where you completely wiff... Pay Attention:
Because the old Testament says some nonsense about THE creation
We are today still debating creationism in the face of actual observable science

The Point:
If the Old Testament said some nonsense about Electricity or Water
We'd be debating that water doesn't actually boil at 212 degrees and when it freezes it actually because of Moses not observable molecular behavior / or we'd be debating the nature of Electrons in relation to the word of God

The points you are making above are because of BAD popular INFORMATION
Similar to urban legend - and once debunked disappear forever

Yet, 2000 years later we're still discussing Creationism vs. observable science
And with Evolution when new information comes along - the evolution debate will include the new info
Not Stand fast against the New observed data

Right..?

Connecticut passes mandatory labeling for GMO foods, basically validating unfounded concerns over GMOs. Don't think people can be just as stubborn when it comes to this as they can to things that might clash with their religious beliefs.

http://america.aljazeera.com/articles/2 ... gbill.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

If they're so unfounded why have so many countries banned GMO foods?

[Chizzang]

Connecticut passes mandatory labeling for GMO foods, basically validating unfounded concerns over GMOs. Don't think people can be just as stubborn when it comes to this as they can to things that might clash with their religious beliefs.

http://america.aljazeera.com/articles/2 ... gbill.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

If they're so unfounded why have so many countries banned GMO foods?

Because it says so in the Bible..?

[JohnStOnge]

Creationists should be able to opt out of courses that contradict their religious beliefs. That is if we are to be fair about it.

If we are going to say that the Constitutional language, "Congress shall make no law respecting the establishment of religion nor prohibiting the free practice thereof" means there can't be prayer in school because that somehow constitutes Congress making a law respecting the establishment of religion consistency dictates saying that we can't teach anything in school that forces children to be exposed to things that basically constitute an attack upon their religious beliefs. You know...there's that "prohibiting the free practice thereof" part we often seem to forget about.

You take fundamentalist children, tell them they HAVE to go to your school by law, then force them to learn and regurgitate things offensive to their beliefs. That sounds like "prohibiting the free practice thereof" to me. If you were allowing the "free practice thereof" you wouldn't be forcing them to do that.

And really, as I've said before, saying that it's necessary to believe the overall theory of evolution in order to function well is ridiculous. You can be a great engineer without ever being exposed to the theory of evolution. You can be a great Doctor without being exposed to it. You can, yes, even be a great biologist without being exposed to it so long as you're not asked to be an evolutionary biologist.

It's just not something that has any practical significance in most instances. It's really not that important that most people believe it or not believe it. It is absolutely NOT crucial that elementary and high school children be taught about the theory of evolution.

[Skjellyfetti]

Creationists should be able to opt out of courses that contradict their religious beliefs. That is if we are to be fair about it.

That is the dumbest shit I've ever heard.... And the type of shit you usually complain about on here -- pandering to a person because of their beliefs so you don't hurt their feelings, make them uncomfortable, etc.

What a bunch of bullshit.

You take fundamentalist children, tell them they HAVE to go to your school by law, then force them to learn and regurgitate things offensive to their beliefs. That sounds like "prohibiting the free practice thereof" to me. If you were allowing the "free practice thereof" you wouldn't be forcing them to do that.

They can be home-schooled if their parents are that adamant about them not learning science... or they can go to a school that teaches creationism.

They shouldn't be given a special curriculum that makes sure to have classes that don't teach subject matter that might offend them or make them uncomfortable.

School districts shouldn't have to hire extra "teachers" to "teach" religiously sanctioned "science" class to the potentially offended.

[Pwns]

Connecticut passes mandatory labeling for GMO foods, basically validating unfounded concerns over GMOs. Don't think people can be just as stubborn when it comes to this as they can to things that might clash with their religious beliefs.

http://america.aljazeera.com/articles/2 ... gbill.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

If they're so unfounded why have so many countries banned GMO foods?

Mass ignorance and political pressure and pandering? And not to mention that there are some in the scientific community willing to lend their names to anti-GMO BS.

[CID1990]

Creationists should be able to opt out of courses that contradict their religious beliefs. That is if we are to be fair about it.

That is the dumbest **** I've ever heard.... And the type of **** you usually complain about on here -- pandering to a person because of their beliefs so you don't hurt their feelings, make them uncomfortable, etc.

What a bunch of bullshit.

You take fundamentalist children, tell them they HAVE to go to your school by law, then force them to learn and regurgitate things offensive to their beliefs. That sounds like "prohibiting the free practice thereof" to me. If you were allowing the "free practice thereof" you wouldn't be forcing them to do that.

They can be home-schooled if their parents are that adamant about them not learning science... or they can go to a school that teaches creationism.

They shouldn't be given a special curriculum that makes sure to have classes that don't teach subject matter that might offend them or make them uncomfortable.

School districts shouldn't have to hire extra "teachers" to "teach" religiously sanctioned "science" class to the potentially offended.

It will happen, but it won't be to accommodate fundamentalist Christians.

Ironic, but promising to see you calling what will ultimately be a progressive initiative "stupid".

[D1B]

That is the dumbest **** I've ever heard.... And the type of **** you usually complain about on here -- pandering to a person because of their beliefs so you don't hurt their feelings, make them uncomfortable, etc.

What a bunch of bullshit.




They can be home-schooled if their parents are that adamant about them not learning science... or they can go to a school that teaches creationism.

They shouldn't be given a special curriculum that makes sure to have classes that don't teach subject matter that might offend them or make them uncomfortable.

School districts shouldn't have to hire extra "teachers" to "teach" religiously sanctioned "science" class to the potentially offended.

It will happen, but it won't be to accommodate fundamentalist Christians.

Ironic, but promising to see you calling what will ultimately be a progressive initiative "stupid".

Special curricula and accommodations for religion is exclusively a conk initiative.

JSO1990

[D1B]

Conks will bend over backwards and break any rule for big religion.

Sales tax = No fucking way
Sales tax to be used for religious indoctrination = Sure no problem

Conks know who ultimately pays the bills.

[Chizzang]

All this back and forth aside...
The biggest deterrent for Fundamentalists is
That Science and Common Sense make liars our of their ancestors and relatives

And that's a huge (HUGE) obstacle to hurdle in the sanctimonious mind


Oh..
That and they've never actually read the whole collection of books that are "The Bible"
So they don't really know what they're fighting for (kinda like Iraq & Afghanistan)

[Skjellyfetti]

It will happen, but it won't be to accommodate fundamentalist Christians.

Ironic, but promising to see you calling what will ultimately be a progressive initiative "stupid".

If it were a similar progressive initiative I'd think it would be equally retarded.

Exempting blacks from US History class because they might have to learn about slavery and the KKK, etc.