Cap'n Cat Liberal Ethical Dilemma...Soliciting Thoughts

[Cap'n Cat]

Seems like I remember you buying a new home in a planned community about 4 years ago, which makes the likelyhood of a HOA strong. If that is the case you have two possible legal remedies:

a) see if the HOA by-laws addresses animals running free, and
b) see if your local government has a leash law or a fence law for untethered animals.

Taking this route will accomplish a few things...

a) it keeps you legal,
b) you don't kill anything,
c) the assholes at the end of the street will realize you are smarter than they are and have no recourse,
d) it gives you a record of pointing out a problem if they try to harass you in the future... you are on the right side of the issue.

I'd also bet the animals aren't wearing proper licenses either, which means you would be perfectly in your rights to call animal control.

In the meantime, the rocks will do the trick for you.

This, or crush its skull with a garden gnome.

You know, blue bee, that's the first shit I shoulda thought - the laws on untethered animals. Should see, too, if the State of Minnesota has anything about feral cats and bird prey.

[Cap'n Cat]

BTW, very good parallels by board Conks on the Big Government vs the little guy arguments!

[Bronco]

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Cats are the lone wolves of the cul-de-sac

If you approve wolves killing cattle for sport you must be consistent and let the residential wolves do the same thing


Really...you support peta's plan to let all domestic animals run free?

[Wedgebuster]

Need to own the biggest wolf in the cul de sac-



When we picked up Jager Bomb, the breeder cautioned us against the possibilities of not having any cats around.

[GrizFanStuckInUtah]

I could go either way on this one really. On the one hand it drives me crazy when people let their cats run wild. I don't have a problem with the cat going after the bird, it's what they do.

I will point out that in Utah it would be a felony to abuse/kill a pet, cat or dog. You can beat your kid and it isn't a felony, but god forbid you beat or kill a cat/dog.

While I don't like people killing cats and dogs for fun, I don't think it should be a felony to shoot a POS cat or dog on your lawn. If the owner took care of it, it wouldn't be there. I understand the occasional, "My cat/dog got out, sorry". But when they are always there, I think they should be classified as ferrel and shot, along with their owners in most cases, but that is just a wish on the later.

You can certainly trap the SOB and take it to the pound. Your neighbor will have to come get it and most likely pay a fee to get it back. Do that enough and they will get sick of it.

[GrizFanStuckInUtah]

Need to own the biggest wolf in the cul de sac-



When we picked up Jager Bomb, the breeder cautioned us against the possibilities of not having any cats around.

I have a jack russel terrier and she despises cats. She doesn't attack them but makes a hell of a ruckus when one is around. I have conditioned her not too but I can see how it would have been easy to teach her to get them. I have heard a lot of stories about the male jack russels loving to kill cats. They are small enough and fast/agile enough to get the dirty bastards too. I talked with a guy down in St George one time as he saw my dog and liked her. He told me he had a male a few years back that would kill anything it came across that was up to aoubt 1/3 again it's size. Just plain mean to other animals but it liked people. It killed skunks, racoons, cats, dogs, didn't like anything.

[LeadBolt]

It is really quite simple. Before taking any action, I believe that you should undergo a complete environmental study to determine how the cat killing the birds impacts the ecological balance, as well as how the cat not killing the birds effects same.

Don't forget to then study the impact on the environment on eliminating the cat or merely keeping it inside.

How will all of the various scenarios effect air quality, water quality, the waste stream going to landfills, the fertility of the soil as biodegradable fertilizer is increased or decreased as the various species are increased or decreased.

What will be the impact on other species, such as each class of rodents in the neighborhood be? How will this impact the environment?

Be sure to include sufficient data in the study of the chemical composition and amount of the waste stream from each group of impacted species to see how this will impact the environment.

Will the increase or decrease in any and all species in your neighborhood then have an impact on plant life as the amount of consumption of plants in the area and resulting waste stream is impacted? Will an increase or decrease in plant life then impact air quality, soil quality or water quality? If plant growth decreases will this be sufficient to change erosion patterns? How will this impact the neighborhood?

After the studies are complete, please submit them to the proper governmental agencies for review, publication, hearing comments from the concerned public and debate prior to presenting the proposed solution(s) to the proper governmental agency for approval.

Such approval should then be presented to the court system for review as to constitutionality and to make sure that neither the rights of the cat, birds or potentially other impacted humans, animals, plants or topographical features are violated.

Then and only then will the Liberal Ethical Dilemma be defined and a proper course of action can be determined.

[GrizFanStuckInUtah]

It is really quite simple. Before taking any action, I believe that you should undergo a complete environmental study to determine how the cat killing the birds impacts the ecological balance, as well as how the cat not killing the birds effects same.

Don't forget to then study the impact on the environment on eliminating the cat or merely keeping it inside.

How will all of the various scenarios effect air quality, water quality, the waste stream going to landfills, the fertility of the soil as biodegradable fertilizer is increased or decreased as the various species are increased or decreased.

What will be the impact on other species, such as each class of rodents in the neighborhood be? How will this impact the environment?

Be sure to include sufficient data in the study of the chemical composition and amount of the waste stream from each group of impacted species to see how this will impact the environment.

Will the increase or decrease in any and all species in your neighborhood then have an impact on plant life as the amount of consumption of plants in the area and resulting waste stream is impacted? Will an increase or decrease in plant life then impact air quality, soil quality or water quality? If plant growth decreases will this be sufficient to change erosion patterns? How will this impact the neighborhood?

After the studies are complete, please submit them to the proper governmental agencies for review, publication, hearing comments from the concerned public and debate prior to presenting the proposed solution(s) to the proper governmental agency for approval.

Such approval should then be presented to the court system for review as to constitutionality and to make sure that neither the rights of the cat, birds or potentially other impacted humans, animals, plants or topographical features are violated.

Then and only then will the Liberal Ethical Dilemma be defined and a proper course of action can be determined.

Nice!

[Cap'n Cat]

[Cap'n Cat]

That looks like one fun feather plucker!!!!

How is he with rattlesnakes?

[Gil Dobie]

Should see, too, if the State of Minnesota has anything about feral cats and bird prey.

While working pest control for the city of Moorhead, MN, we caught over 150 cats in a year. Some were retrieved by the owners, most were euthanized. Dogs fared a little better. Raccons and woodchucks were set free in a park outside of town.

[Wedgebuster]

That looks like one fun feather plucker!!!!

How is he with rattlesnakes?

I do not partake in the early chukar seasons just for that reason.. not only that it's hot out there then..

He has actually brought us cats before.. And not just once.

Hates squirrels in the backyard too, but they come by to pester him. Cats we NEVER see around.

[Gil Dobie]

I do not partake in the early chukar seasons just for that reason.. not only that it's hot out there then..

He has actually brought us cats before.. And not just once.

Hates squirrels in the backyard too, but they come by to pester him. Cats we NEVER see around.

We had a JR at our house one day. The old tom cat kept the dog in the bay window all day, quivering in fear.

[HI54UNI]

Paintball gun! Send the kitty home with a big splotch of pink on its ass!

[Cap'n Cat]

Paintball gun! Send the kitty home with a big splotch of pink on its ass!

BINGO!!!!!!!!!

[D1B]

Need to own the biggest wolf in the cul de sac-



When we picked up Jager Bomb, the breeder cautioned us against the possibilities of not having any cats around.

Good looking beast, Wedgie!