Former Griz QB Could be in Big Legal Trouble

[GrizFan5]

This has virtually nothing to do with my post. 406's use of the phrases "all the rest of them" and "they are all pathetic" implies that he thinks an entire group of people are pathetic, an assertion of which there is absolutely no basis.

To say there may be issues with football players is not bigotry, but to put up a post that basically says "burn 'em all!" (& again, he's not specific in which group of people he means there) is definitely bigotry.

I wouldn't say the problem lies with the whole team, or even a majority of the team. It's a small minority that's giving the program a bad name. So while I am willing to concede that all of this could very well be a collection of isolated incidents, I'm not willing to accept the "hear no evil, see no evil" attitude that a lot of folks seem to have adopted. The fact that some seem more concerned with sweeping things under the rug rather than addressing the issues is part of the problem, IMO.


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The special investigator has already indicated that nothing was swept under the rug by the university. In fact, the investigator applauded the action of the university in recent months. The report also indicates that no university policies were violated or not adhered to.

[GrizFan5]

Is 2007 going to be everyones cut off ?


Not jumping on or trying to smack the Grizzlies but want to ask Mr. 5 about this opening statement

A University of Montana investigation into alleged sexual assaults unearthed so many cases that it should continue, possibly for as long as another year, according to a report into those allegations.

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The special investigator did not say that. The Missoulian said that, and it isn't accurate (nor has much of what the Missoulian has reported or characterized). This is what the investigator said: ""Due to the number of incidents added since December, the investigation needs to be ongoing," she wrote. She suggested that it continue without an independent investigator and that the results be reviewed within six months to a year."

The investigator said she is no longer needed, and the university should continue. Of the new incidents discovered, only 2 involve athletes. One is Donaldson. The other is an incident from Dec. 2010, in which the police decided a year ago not to prosecute. The investigator said the results should be reviewed in six months to a year. She didn't say an investigation was needed for a year. The report said they had been in communication with the police, but did not indicate that they had turned over any information to the police, nor was anyone named in the report. Sure, it's possible that something negative could develop from the matters identified, or even new incidents identified. However, if you look at the list, and have followed these matters in other articles, it doesn't look overly problematical at this time. I suppose the police could change their minds on pursuing the matter from 2010. I suppose some of the women who have refused to talk to the university or the police, could change their minds. On the other hand, I suppose the woman who went to the police on Donaldson 15 months after the incident, could change her mind, again, and decide not to pursue matters against him.

[Mvemjsunpx]

I wouldn't say the problem lies with the whole team, or even a majority of the team. It's a small minority that's giving the program a bad name. So while I am willing to concede that all of this could very well be a collection of isolated incidents, I'm not willing to accept the "hear no evil, see no evil" attitude that a lot of folks seem to have adopted. The fact that some seem more concerned with sweeping things under the rug rather than addressing the issues is part of the problem, IMO.

I'm sure there are Griz fans that do want it swept, but I'm pretty certain no-one actually in charge at UM is interested in doing that.

What irritates me more is the Griz fans who want to impose draconian punishment simply because these allegations make the thing they are a fan of look bad, and not because, you know, there are actual serious crimes being committed.

Hopefully all of those actually responsible are punished (though that seems unlikely, given the lack of immediate reporting of most of these crimes), and hopefully those not responsible won't be labeled as guilty by association. One thing a little lacking in these discussions is a push to hold the individuals who perpetrated these crimes responsible for their actions. It isn't the coaching staff's (or whoever's) job to make certain players won't sexually assault people. I'm pretty sure a player would know that already (he's an adult, after all), and if he doesn't, he probably doesn't care & it's too late anyway. The institutions (both UM & the police) have acknowledged they haven't investigated these things well enough in the past—both involving athletes & not—but all they can really do is raise awareness & make sure they catch & punish after the fact.



And boy has this thread gotten a bit off track. It's supposed to be about Jason Washington's medical weed sales & his hilarious alleged attempt to bribe a judge. Stupid thread necromancy…

[GrizFan5]

I wouldn't say the problem lies with the whole team, or even a majority of the team. It's a small minority that's giving the program a bad name. So while I am willing to concede that all of this could very well be a collection of isolated incidents, I'm not willing to accept the "hear no evil, see no evil" attitude that a lot of folks seem to have adopted. The fact that some seem more concerned with sweeping things under the rug rather than addressing the issues is part of the problem, IMO.

I'm sure there are Griz fans that do want it swept, but I'm pretty certain no-one actually in charge at UM is interested in doing that.

What irritates me more is the Griz fans who want to impose draconian punishment simply because these allegations make the thing they are a fan of look bad, and not because, you know, there are actual serious crimes being committed.

Hopefully all of those actually responsible are punished (though that seems unlikely, given the lack of immediate reporting of most of these crimes), and hopefully those not responsible won't be labeled as guilty by association. One thing a little lacking in these discussions is a push to hold the individuals who perpetrated these crimes responsible for their actions. It isn't the coaching staff's (or whoever's) job to make certain players won't sexually assault people. I'm pretty sure a player would know that already (he's an adult, after all), and if he doesn't, he probably doesn't care & it's too late anyway. The institutions (both UM & the police) have acknowledged they haven't investigated these things well enough in the past—both involving athletes & not—but all they can really do is raise awareness & make sure they catch & punish after the fact.



And boy has this thread gotten a bit off track. It's supposed to be about Jason Washington's medical weed sales & his hilarious alleged attempt to bribe a judge. Stupid thread necromancy…

Good points in your post. However, I don't recall seeing that the police and university had acknowledge that they haven't investigated these things well enough in the past. In fact, the media's coverage had indicated the contrary. If you're thinking of some specific article or statement, call it to our attention. Thx.

[EWURanger]

I wouldn't say the problem lies with the whole team, or even a majority of the team. It's a small minority that's giving the program a bad name. So while I am willing to concede that all of this could very well be a collection of isolated incidents, I'm not willing to accept the "hear no evil, see no evil" attitude that a lot of folks seem to have adopted. The fact that some seem more concerned with sweeping things under the rug rather than addressing the issues is part of the problem, IMO.

I'm sure there are Griz fans that do want it swept, but I'm pretty certain no-one actually in charge at UM is interested in doing that.

What irritates me more is the Griz fans who want to impose draconian punishment simply because these allegations make the thing they are a fan of look bad, and not because, you know, there are actual serious crimes being committed.

Hopefully all of those actually responsible are punished (though that seems unlikely, given the lack of immediate reporting of most of these crimes), and hopefully those not responsible won't be labeled as guilty by association. One thing a little lacking in these discussions is a push to hold the individuals who perpetrated these crimes responsible for their actions. It isn't the coaching staff's (or whoever's) job to make certain players won't sexually assault people. I'm pretty sure a player would know that already (he's an adult, after all), and if he doesn't, he probably doesn't care & it's too late anyway. The institutions (both UM & the police) have acknowledged they haven't investigated these things well enough in the past—both involving athletes & not—but all they can really do is raise awareness & make sure they catch & punish after the fact.



And boy has this thread gotten a bit off track. It's supposed to be about Jason Washington's medical weed sales & his hilarious alleged attempt to bribe a judge. Stupid thread necromancy…

Those are some fair points. I wasn't implying that the school was necessarily trying to sweep anything - I was probably referring more to egrizzers and the like. The University may very well be giving all of this its due diligence. I'll still maintain that there are some "issues", though.

[Mvemjsunpx]

Good points in your post. However, I don't recall seeing that the police and university had acknowledge that they haven't investigated these things well enough in the past. In fact, the media's coverage had indicated the contrary. If you're thinking of some specific article or statement, call it to our attention. Thx.

I know Mark Muir acknowledged that sometime last month (link). And the University at least implied they need to do a better job in the aftermath of the recently released report.

[Mvemjsunpx]

I'm sure there are Griz fans that do want it swept, but I'm pretty certain no-one actually in charge at UM is interested in doing that.

What irritates me more is the Griz fans who want to impose draconian punishment simply because these allegations make the thing they are a fan of look bad, and not because, you know, there are actual serious crimes being committed.

Hopefully all of those actually responsible are punished (though that seems unlikely, given the lack of immediate reporting of most of these crimes), and hopefully those not responsible won't be labeled as guilty by association. One thing a little lacking in these discussions is a push to hold the individuals who perpetrated these crimes responsible for their actions. It isn't the coaching staff's (or whoever's) job to make certain players won't sexually assault people. I'm pretty sure a player would know that already (he's an adult, after all), and if he doesn't, he probably doesn't care & it's too late anyway. The institutions (both UM & the police) have acknowledged they haven't investigated these things well enough in the past—both involving athletes & not—but all they can really do is raise awareness & make sure they catch & punish after the fact.



And boy has this thread gotten a bit off track. It's supposed to be about Jason Washington's medical weed sales & his hilarious alleged attempt to bribe a judge. Stupid thread necromancy…

Those are some fair points. I wasn't implying that the school was necessarily trying to sweep anything - I was probably referring more to egrizzers and the like. The University may very well be giving all of this its due diligence. I'll still maintain that there are some "issues", though.

Well, you know eGriz is insane—that's largely what I was referring to in my second paragraph.

[GrizFan5]

Good points in your post. However, I don't recall seeing that the police and university had acknowledge that they haven't investigated these things well enough in the past. In fact, the media's coverage had indicated the contrary. If you're thinking of some specific article or statement, call it to our attention. Thx.

I know Mark Muir acknowledged that sometime last month (link). And the University at least implied they need to do a better job in the aftermath of the recently released report.

Muir said the police need to a better job "communicating"--not investigating. Big difference. It's the first sentence of the article you linked, and also mentioned later.

[Mvemjsunpx]

I know Mark Muir acknowledged that sometime last month (link). And the University at least implied they need to do a better job in the aftermath of the recently released report.

Muir said the police need to a better job "communicating"--not investigating. Big difference. It's the first sentence of the article you linked, and also mentioned later.

Well, I'm pretty sure you investigate a sexual assault by communicating with the victim, but whatever…

[grizzaholic]

Muir said the police need to a better job "communicating"--not investigating. Big difference. It's the first sentence of the article you linked, and also mentioned later.

Well, I'm pretty sure you investigate a sexual assault by communicating with the victim, but whatever…

[GrizFan5]

Well, I'm pretty sure you investigate a sexual assault by communicating with the victim, but whatever…

It has not even been suggested that the police didn't talk to victims and investigate allegations.