Obama Chooses Politics Over Cheaper Energy & 140k jobs

[bluehenbillk]

"Drill baby Drill!!!". "Drill baby Drill!!!"

Yep that's the answer for everything - drill, drill, drill.

It's embarassing that you guys buy into the hype of big oil. Maybe embarassing is is poor word choice, sad is probably better. Big Oil has bought Washington DC for decades now & apparently their influence leaks out to the general public as well.

Big Oil has done nothing but hold this country, if not the world back for decades now.

Proof: How come the average MPG of automobiles has barely inched up in the last 35 years?

How come the price of filling up your gas tank has tripled in the past 12 years?

How come companies like Exxon Mobil during all of this continually make record exorbinant profits?

Bend over America - playing the role of Jerry Sandusky today is Big Oil.

Bobby Knight said it best: "If rape is inevitable, you might as well sit back and enjoy it". Big Oil has been raping the American consumer now for way too long and apparently people's pie holes aren't sore yet.

[Appaholic]

"Drill baby Drill!!!". "Drill baby Drill!!!"

Yep that's the answer for everything - drill, drill, drill.

It's embarassing that you guys buy into the hype of big oil. Maybe embarassing is is poor word choice, sad is probably better. Big Oil has bought Washington DC for decades now & apparently their influence leaks out to the general public as well.

Big Oil has done nothing but hold this country, if not the world back for decades now.

Proof: How come the average MPG of automobiles has barely inched up in the last 35 years?

How come the price of filling up your gas tank has tripled in the past 12 years?

How come companies like Exxon Mobil during all of this continually make record exorbinant profits?

Bend over America - playing the role of Jerry Sandusky today is Big Oil.

Bobby Knight said it best: "If rape is inevitable, you might as well sit back and enjoy it". Big Oil has been raping the American consumer now for way too long and apparently people's pie holes aren't sore yet.

Type that on a plastic keyboard, did ya?

[D1B]

"Drill baby Drill!!!". "Drill baby Drill!!!"

Yep that's the answer for everything - drill, drill, drill.

It's embarassing that you guys buy into the hype of big oil. Maybe embarassing is is poor word choice, sad is probably better. Big Oil has bought Washington DC for decades now & apparently their influence leaks out to the general public as well.

Big Oil has done nothing but hold this country, if not the world back for decades now.

Proof: How come the average MPG of automobiles has barely inched up in the last 35 years?

How come the price of filling up your gas tank has tripled in the past 12 years?

How come companies like Exxon Mobil during all of this continually make record exorbinant profits?

Bend over America - playing the role of Jerry Sandusky today is Big Oil.

Bobby Knight said it best: "If rape is inevitable, you might as well sit back and enjoy it". Big Oil has been raping the American consumer now for way too long and apparently people's pie holes aren't sore yet.

Type that on a plastic keyboard, did ya?

Typical dickhead conk reply.

[Appaholic]

Type that on a plastic keyboard, did ya?

Typical dickhead conk reply.

Typical whiny Donk response demonizing the truth but offering no valid rebuttal...

[bluehenbillk]

Type that on a plastic keyboard, did ya?

Typical dickhead conk reply.

Oh? Shoe on the other foot? Bend over and take it like the man you are....

[GannonFan]

"Drill baby Drill!!!". "Drill baby Drill!!!"

Yep that's the answer for everything - drill, drill, drill.

It's embarassing that you guys buy into the hype of big oil. Maybe embarassing is is poor word choice, sad is probably better. Big Oil has bought Washington DC for decades now & apparently their influence leaks out to the general public as well.

Big Oil has done nothing but hold this country, if not the world back for decades now.

Proof: How come the average MPG of automobiles has barely inched up in the last 35 years?

Well, it's not like the buying public has really been pushing for higher mpg cars. I seem to remember a good decade or two where people were buying gas guzzling SUV's or minivans faster than we could make them. There's always been higher mpg cars out there - the problem was, no one was buying them.

How come the price of filling up your gas tank has tripled in the past 12 years?

Harder to get to the oil, refining in America just getting more and more costly to do, an additional 1 Billion people in the world in the last 12 years all demanding more and more of it. Did you think the price was going to stay the same or go down?

How come companies like Exxon Mobil during all of this continually make record exorbinant profits?

In total dollars, yes, but not too many businesses get excited about margins below 10%. These companies make big dollar profits because they are incredibly massive companies - that's a lot of money in and a lot of money out. Like I said, profit margin, not so good.

Bend over America - playing the role of Jerry Sandusky today is Big Oil.

Bobby Knight said it best: "If rape is inevitable, you might as well sit back and enjoy it". Big Oil has been raping the American consumer now for way too long and apparently people's pie holes aren't sore yet.

I get it, you're angry. Super. Doesn't change the reality on the ground, though, that we don't have anything to replace oil. Obviously, there's plenty of money to be made by the person or people or country that comes up with an alternative, and we've been looking for one ever since we were making synthetic oil at least as far back as 60 years ago. So it's not like there isn't incentive out there to do away with oil

Hoping and wishing that we didn't have to use oil is great and makes for great slogans and message board postings, and I agree, in the long run, is a very important goal. But it doesn't happen overnight, it takes more than a decision to do something different. It's odd that in a country where we can convince enough kids to enter the sciences that we rail on and on about how we don't have enough technical innovation and can't come up with a solution like "let's use something other than oil". Conspiracy theories are fun and all, and we can pretend that Big Oil has hoodwinked the world, but again, the reality (darn that silly reality) is that we don't have a cost effective means of replacing oil with something(s) else and no one appears to be willing to say we'll make do with less in order to go with a more expensive solution.

[bluehenbillk]

I get it, you're angry. Super. Doesn't change the reality on the ground, though, that we don't have anything to replace oil. Obviously, there's plenty of money to be made by the person or people or country that comes up with an alternative, and we've been looking for one ever since we were making synthetic oil at least as far back as 60 years ago. So it's not like there isn't incentive out there to do away with oil

Hoping and wishing that we didn't have to use oil is great and makes for great slogans and message board postings, and I agree, in the long run, is a very important goal. But it doesn't happen overnight, it takes more than a decision to do something different. It's odd that in a country where we can convince enough kids to enter the sciences that we rail on and on about how we don't have enough technical innovation and can't come up with a solution like "let's use something other than oil". Conspiracy theories are fun and all, and we can pretend that Big Oil has hoodwinked the world, but again, the reality (darn that silly reality) is that we don't have a cost effective means of replacing oil with something(s) else and no one appears to be willing to say we'll make do with less in order to go with a more expensive solution.

See there's the fault. Big Oil owns Washington - it's called lobbyists. And in a country that is paralyzed by lobbyists there is no more powerful group in Washington DC than the oil lobby, in fact I challenge anyone to name a close #2. It's simple really, Big Oil works hand in hand with Detroit in fighting the mpg battle, they squash alternative energy policies that 90% of the time never make it out of subcomittees and when they do (see the solar energy bankruptcy issue in DC now) they exploit the hell out of it. With the continued growth of China & India - which will pass China in population in the next 20 years the problem is only going to get worse. Big Oil can keep following the "drill baby drill" mantra all they want but the price of gas is only going to continue to climb. Of all the industrialized nations we actually pay the least for a gallon of gas currently, so you know that will catch up through our lifetimes.

Finding alternative energies can be equated to the equal frauds of curing disease. Look at the generations before us an how they would continually cure diseases, but yet with greater technology today we can't still cure countless diseases? Well, not when leading fundrasing groups ~cough~ American Cancer Society ~cough~ lead the way knocking 92 cents off every dollar for "administrative" and "other" costs. Finding cures to disease would just be bad business. But get a disease that scares everyone, say AIDS, and yea, all of a sudden a vaccine pops up for that one. That's 2 diseases that we can control in our generation - AIDS & chicken pox, wow!

I just can't buy that there is not a better alternative out there than oil, and worse yet, people trying to tell me that it'll be the same in 40 years.

Sorry for the rant, just a pet peeve of mine.

[travelinman67]

Sure thing, Appa.

That's comical TMan. So one can't be for developing our natural resources if they are also required to develop them in a responsible manner? You know, like maintain the equipment so as not to unnecessarily cause an adverse effect to the surrounding residents whether they be human, flora or fauna? That myopic view from both sides of the argument is the reason we're in this current situation to begin with....misguided environmental policies implemented as a knee-jerk reaction to what is essentially, at times, criminal negligence on the part of poor performers tainting an entire industry. But keep supporting the status quo mentality....it's worked so far...

Don't know where you've been the past three years, Appa, but the progressive's game plan is

NO DEVELOPMENT

outside of solar and wind...

...regardless of the environmental impact.

Simple obstructionism.

Solely progressivism.



Solve, or STFU.

[LeadBolt]

The energy problem is so big, that no realistic solutions should be overlooked. Solar and wind have a place, but it is limited in supply and locations where it is available in sufficient quantities to be more than minimal help.

Fossil fuels have a place and are much more plentiful, economic and practical today than virtually anything else.

Nuclear has a place, if fear mongers aren't listened to (for God's sake the French mastered it, with our technology).

Biofuels have a place, but current technology is expensive and inefficient.

Hydro-electirc has a place, but is limited by how much of our most productive land we can afford to flood and destroy.

Conservation has a place, but with an expanding 21st century population and life style which is evermore energy dependent is limited in impact.

The fact is, no one should shun any of these areas, particularly our campaigner-in-chief.

[Appaholic]

That's comical TMan. So one can't be for developing our natural resources if they are also required to develop them in a responsible manner? You know, like maintain the equipment so as not to unnecessarily cause an adverse effect to the surrounding residents whether they be human, flora or fauna? That myopic view from both sides of the argument is the reason we're in this current situation to begin with....misguided environmental policies implemented as a knee-jerk reaction to what is essentially, at times, criminal negligence on the part of poor performers tainting an entire industry. But keep supporting the status quo mentality....it's worked so far...

Don't know where you've been the past three years, Appa, but the progressive's game plan is

NO DEVELOPMENT

outside of solar and wind...

...regardless of the environmental impact.

Simple obstructionism.

Solely progressivism.



Solve, or STFU.

I don't disagree. But there's a difference in persons like myself who are concerned with irresponsible business practices (not maintaining equipment, blowing the top off of mtns to save labor costs) vs naive trustafarians playing for cameras to shut down oil refineries while advocating a conversion to switchgrass on their IPads on the way to the beer store.

[Appaholic]

The energy problem is so big, that no realistic solutions should be overlooked. Solar and wind have a place, but it is limited in supply and locations where it is available in sufficient quantities to be more than minimal help.

Fossil fuels have a place and are much more plentiful, economic and practical today than virtually anything else.

Nuclear has a place, if fear mongers aren't listened to (for God's sake the French mastered it, with our technology).

Biofuels have a place, but current technology is expensive and inefficient.

Hydro-electirc has a place, but is limited by how much of our most productive land we can afford to flood and destroy.

Conservation has a place, but with an expanding 21st century population and life style which is evermore energy dependent is limited in impact.

The fact is, no one should shun any of these areas, particularly our campaigner-in-chief.

HARK! A voice of reason...

[Pwns]

The '90s '00s will be known as the lost decades for energy in the US. If we had gotten serious about nuclear energy then we could have the majority of our power produced by nuclear energy. the namby-pamby French have utilized it, why can't we? Thanks, environmentalists.

[death dealer]

I would much prefer we get our oil from the cannucks than the Arabs, but why does it have to go all the way to Houston unless they're planning on shipping it to China. Vancouver is about a 1/4 of the distance. Is this a refinery issue? And doesn't the tar sands oil require way more energy output to produce? What about the recent spill into the Yellowstone River? Lots of issues with this one. I'd punt too.

[kalm]

I would much prefer we get our oil from the cannucks than the Arabs, but why does it have to go all the way to Houston unless they're planning on shipping it to China. Vancouver is about a 1/4 of the distance. Is this a refinery issue? And doesn't the tar sands oil require way more energy output to produce? What about the recent spill into the Yellowstone River? Lots of issues with this one. I'd punt too.

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[death dealer]

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I'm too drunk to hunt.

[kalm]

I'm too drunk to hunt.

I'm not sure there's anything more entertaining than a freedom loving southern gentleman hippie hunter getting his drunk on.

[death dealer]

I'm too drunk to hunt.

I'm not sure there's anything more entertaining than a freedom loving southern gentleman hippie hunter getting his drunk on.

Thank the lord I don't have to work tomorrow! I am hunting though. I need to cork this last bottle.

[death dealer]

I'm too drunk to hunt.

I'm not sure there's anything more entertaining than a freedom loving southern gentleman hippie hunter getting his drunk on.

Yeah, friends don't let friends....... . Actually though, I came up with a great scheme for next deer season. I'll arrange for the corporation to hire a young dental associate to see my patients for a fraction of the costs of my labor, then layoff my sorry ass. After all, im just a just a cog in the wheel, replacable.

I'll apply for unemployment and hunt my ass off for 90 days, assuming they haven't done away with the extension by then. Once the season is over, the corporation will realize how invaluable I was and hire me back for a much higher salary. This could become a tradition.



A little booze and weed and I'm all in for going on the dole and gaming the system. I am so weak.