Big Ten to make an annoucement on expansion 4PM EST

[93henfan]

Could add Notre Dame.......or others ......

The Big Ten looked at the CAA and realized that it was the perfect model for creating the perception that some teams are much better than they actually are. Pound on patsies in the bottom half of the conference (since there aren't enough scheduled games to have to play the better teams) - which results in so many 1 or 2 loss teams that half the conference gets invited to post season games.

Yeah, I guess that's why Delaware had the most difficult schedule in FCS and most of the other CAA South teams were in the top 10 of most difficult schedules.

Seriously, what a ludicrous post you just made.

[rowdy]

This has the potentioal of a nationwide shakeup on all levels. With top confrences taking from a middle to lower tier confrence opening the door for some FCS schools to make th jump. Then if that happens, look for a couple DII schools to get intrest from FCS confrences. Stayed tuned

[D1B]

It'll be an Eastern team, IMO. Rutgers, Syracuse, Pitt, West Va.,

[AZGrizFan]

Could add Notre Dame.......or others ......

The Big Ten looked at the CAA and realized that it was the perfect model for creating the perception that some teams are much better than they actually are. Pound on patsies in the bottom half of the conference (since there aren't enough scheduled games to have to play the better teams) - which results in so many 1 or 2 loss teams that half the conference gets invited to post season games.

Same model used by the Big 12. Hmm....and where's TEXAS playing?

[CatMom]

The Big Ten looked at the CAA and realized that it was the perfect model for creating the perception that some teams are much better than they actually are. Pound on patsies in the bottom half of the conference (since there aren't enough scheduled games to have to play the better teams) - which results in so many 1 or 2 loss teams that half the conference gets invited to post season games.

Same model used by the Big 12. Hmm....and where's TEXAS playing?

In a non-NCAA sanctioned faux championship game that they are going to lose

[oducampus]

Future map of the BIG TEN ! .... it's all good..

[SuperHornet]

The article I saw about this quoted JoePa as saying that as far as he's concerned, the Domers had their shot when they turned down an invite in '99. He would prefer Pitt, Syracuse, or one other school I can't remember. For Penn State, Pitt would make sense as they would make a good travel partner. ISU would be the same for Iowa. I'm not really sure how Syracuse would fit into the mix, though. Personally, though, while there's no real argument for it, I'd love to see them call up Youngstown. Not gonna happen, though.

[Franks Tanks]

The article I saw about this quoted JoePa as saying that as far as he's concerned, the Domers had their shot when they turned down an invite in '99. He would prefer Pitt, Syracuse, or one other school I can't remember. For Penn State, Pitt would make sense as they would make a good travel partner. ISU would be the same for Iowa. I'm not really sure how Syracuse would fit into the mix, though. Personally, though, while there's no real argument for it, I'd love to see them call up Youngstown. Not gonna happen, though.

Why would the Big 10 add Youngstown State? About 50 other schools would be more likely Big 10 members.

I think it will be between Missouri, Rutgers, Pitt, and Syracuse. Outside of Northwestern the Big 10 is made of land grant institutions and primary state universities. Rutgers and Missouri best fit that mold.

[dbackjon]

The article I saw about this quoted JoePa as saying that as far as he's concerned, the Domers had their shot when they turned down an invite in '99. He would prefer Pitt, Syracuse, or one other school I can't remember. For Penn State, Pitt would make sense as they would make a good travel partner. ISU would be the same for Iowa. I'm not really sure how Syracuse would fit into the mix, though. Personally, though, while there's no real argument for it, I'd love to see them call up Youngstown. Not gonna happen, though.

Why would the Big 10 add Youngstown State? About 50 other schools would be more likely Big 10 members.

I think it will be between Missouri, Rutgers, Pitt, and Syracuse. Outside of Northwestern the Big 10 is made of land grant institutions and primary state universities. Rutgers and Missouri best fit that mold.

They need to be heavily involved research universities - Rutgers and Missouri do fit that mold the best.

Wild Card: Texas

[SuperHornet]

The article I saw about this quoted JoePa as saying that as far as he's concerned, the Domers had their shot when they turned down an invite in '99. He would prefer Pitt, Syracuse, or one other school I can't remember. For Penn State, Pitt would make sense as they would make a good travel partner. ISU would be the same for Iowa. I'm not really sure how Syracuse would fit into the mix, though. Personally, though, while there's no real argument for it, I'd love to see them call up Youngstown. Not gonna happen, though.

Why would the Big 10 add Youngstown State? About 50 other schools would be more likely Big 10 members.

I think it will be between Missouri, Rutgers, Pitt, and Syracuse. Outside of Northwestern the Big 10 is made of land grant institutions and primary state universities. Rutgers and Missouri best fit that mold.

How does Mizzou make sense for the Big Ten? Their focus is so completely on Nebraska, Oklahoma, and Texas that a move like this would cause their fans to scream bloody murder. Not going to happen. That was ALSO in the article I saw, and I see nothing to obviate that.

I also can't see them adding Rutgers. They don't need another once-in-a-blue-moon private-school success story a la Northwestern. I'm still not sure why they added Penn State. It took them out of their compact region and opened them up to travel issues. Adding another out-of-region team isn't really going to help unless it's someone relatively close to one of the schools already there. So Pitt makes SOME sense in terms of overall athletic success over the long haul AND close enough to PSU to be a good travel partner. Iowa State has an even better argument should they apply. New York is too far out of the wayas is anybody in Missouri.

[clenz]

Why would the Big 10 add Youngstown State? About 50 other schools would be more likely Big 10 members.

I think it will be between Missouri, Rutgers, Pitt, and Syracuse. Outside of Northwestern the Big 10 is made of land grant institutions and primary state universities. Rutgers and Missouri best fit that mold.

How does Mizzou make sense for the Big Ten? Their focus is so completely on Nebraska, Oklahoma, and Texas that a move like this would cause their fans to scream bloody murder. Not going to happen. That was ALSO in the article I saw, and I see nothing to obviate that.

I also can't see them adding Rutgers. They don't need another once-in-a-blue-moon private-school success story a la Northwestern. I'm still not sure why they added Penn State. It took them out of their compact region and opened them up to travel issues. Adding another out-of-region team isn't really going to help unless it's someone relatively close to one of the schools already there. So Pitt makes SOME sense in terms of overall athletic success over the long haul AND close enough to PSU to be a good travel partner. Iowa State has an even better argument should they apply. New York is too far out of the wayas is anybody in Missouri.

This isn't all about athletic success. It is about tapping into a market to get TV revenue and what not. From all accounts it should be Rutgers. Get into the massive NJ and NY market, especially with the B10 network and it's money up the ass. Rutgers has good accadmeics, which fits with the B1O as well. Iowa State, Nebraska, Missouri, and Pitt don't make sense from the ratings and revenue stand point. The B12 has been so good to Nebraska in so many ways I can't see the leaving, and there is no additional B10 market there. Missouri is a B12 state, no new market. PSU has the Pitt market already cornered. Iowa already dominated the state of Iowa. Rutgers or maybe WVU seem to be the logical picks. The UM WVU match ups would be nuts with Rich Rod and Coach Beilein both being from WVU to Michigan guys

[SuperHornet]

You're speaking through the lens of football, clenz. I just can't see Penn State as having the Pitt area "cornered" in hoops. Pitt was recently in the Dance (where, joyfully for me, they got beat by UOP). PSU doesn't have much success in hoops (though I think they DID just win the WVB title, something they've been VERY successful at for the last decade or so since the Big West lost dominance in that sport).

Over the entire athletic spectrum, Pitt makes more sense than one would think just from a football perspective. And THAT's where the travel partner argument comes in. It's pretty much a non-issue for football, but it's key for sports like basketball where the conference schedule is tied to home-and-home series within each season.

And as far as "media exposure" is concerned: do you really believe that Michigan-MSU and Illinois-NW share the spotlight equally in their states? That issue is a non-starter for me in terms of a school like Pitt. They have their diehards like anyone else, so the media issue is moot. There's more to be said for your media argument for New York, but leave NJ out of it; outside of the pro teams playing in the former swamp, NJ is a sports cesspool. The problem with the NY argument is that the schools in NY having ANY sort of athletic success right now are nowhere near NYC, which is the "real" media center in the state. In addition, even with Buffalo making a bowl this year, I don't think anyone would seriously tout them for the Big Ten. And Syracuse is struggling football-wise after their ill-advised dismissal of Paul Pasqualoni and only has Jim Boeheim to their credit as far as a "move up" is concerned. NY is therefore OUT.

[UNI88]

Why would the Big 10 add Youngstown State? About 50 other schools would be more likely Big 10 members.

I think it will be between Missouri, Rutgers, Pitt, and Syracuse. Outside of Northwestern the Big 10 is made of land grant institutions and primary state universities. Rutgers and Missouri best fit that mold.

How does Mizzou make sense for the Big Ten? Their focus is so completely on Nebraska, Oklahoma, and Texas that a move like this would cause their fans to scream bloody murder. Not going to happen. That was ALSO in the article I saw, and I see nothing to obviate that.

I also can't see them adding Rutgers. They don't need another once-in-a-blue-moon private-school success story a la Northwestern. I'm still not sure why they added Penn State. It took them out of their compact region and opened them up to travel issues. Adding another out-of-region team isn't really going to help unless it's someone relatively close to one of the schools already there. So Pitt makes SOME sense in terms of overall athletic success over the long haul AND close enough to PSU to be a good travel partner. Iowa State has an even better argument should they apply. New York is too far out of the wayas is anybody in Missouri.

Mizzou fits the academic profile and gives them better market penetration in St. Louis (Illinois has decent penetration there) and access to Kansas City. Why would Mizzou leave the Big 12? They might not but a lot of people in the midwest consider the Big 10 to be a step up in overall athletic & academic prestige.

Rutgers is a state university not a private school. They might not have a history of football success but they fit the academic footprint and the Big 10 looks at the entire athletic department not just football.

Penn State is closer to 1/2 the original 10 than Nebraska so I'm not sure how it is outside of their region.

They don't need Iowa State and I don't think Iowa is going to be strong-armed into going to the mat to get them an invite ala Virginia and VA Tech. Having 2 schools from Iowa in 2 strong conferences is a good thing. The same could be said about Pitt. The Big 10 has the Pittsburgh market with Penn St and doesn't need Pitt. I don't know where Penn St would stand on including them.

Syracuse is as close or closer than Lincoln, Nebraska to half of the Big 10.

I don't know enough about West Virginia to know how it fits from an overall athletic and academic perspective. They are a nice fit geographically. Is WVU going to leave its rivalry with Pitt or vice versa?

IMO, the Big 10's wish list in order is:
1) Notre Dame
2) Rutgers
3) Missouri
4) anybody's guess

[Franks Tanks]

How does Mizzou make sense for the Big Ten? Their focus is so completely on Nebraska, Oklahoma, and Texas that a move like this would cause their fans to scream bloody murder. Not going to happen. That was ALSO in the article I saw, and I see nothing to obviate that.

I also can't see them adding Rutgers. They don't need another once-in-a-blue-moon private-school success story a la Northwestern. I'm still not sure why they added Penn State. It took them out of their compact region and opened them up to travel issues. Adding another out-of-region team isn't really going to help unless it's someone relatively close to one of the schools already there. So Pitt makes SOME sense in terms of overall athletic success over the long haul AND close enough to PSU to be a good travel partner. Iowa State has an even better argument should they apply. New York is too far out of the wayas is anybody in Missouri.

Mizzou fits the academic profile and gives them better market penetration in St. Louis (Illinois has decent penetration there) and access to Kansas City. Why would Mizzou leave the Big 12? They might not but a lot of people in the midwest consider the Big 10 to be a step up in overall athletic & academic prestige.

Rutgers is a state university not a private school. They might not have a history of football success but they fit the academic footprint and the Big 10 looks at the entire athletic department not just football.

Penn State is closer to 1/2 the original 10 than Nebraska so I'm not sure how it is outside of their region.

They don't need Iowa State and I don't think Iowa is going to be strong-armed into going to the mat to get them an invite ala Virginia and VA Tech. Having 2 schools from Iowa in 2 strong conferences is a good thing. The same could be said about Pitt. The Big 10 has the Pittsburgh market with Penn St and doesn't need Pitt. I don't know where Penn St would stand on including them.

Syracuse is as close or closer than Lincoln, Nebraska to half of the Big 10.

I don't know enough about West Virginia to know how it fits from an overall athletic and academic perspective. They are a nice fit geographically. Is WVU going to leave its rivalry with Pitt or vice versa?

IMO, the Big 10's wish list in order is:
1) Notre Dame
2) Rutgers
3) Missouri
4) anybody's guess

Rutgers is the State University of NJ and it has 38,000 undergards. Rutgers has much more in common with Penn State or Michigan than it does Northwestern.

The Rutgers FB has stunk, but so has Minnesota, Northwestern and Wisconson (before Barry Alvarez).

They have some room to grow athletically, but they are a huge school and a very solid public research university.

[SUUTbird]

Pretty much i think for now its safe to say that no FCS teams will be joining the Big Ten until after 2012. Anyways despite turning down the Big Ten before i think Notre Dame will be the new school to join the conference since it fits both geographical and academically. Also there are some rumors of how the Big East may want to expand in the future as well and with Army and Navy both sitting without a conference i think that those two would be a good fit, so this is what we would have:

BIG TEN CONFERENCE: (Would have to rename it, cant have 2 Big 12's)
-Illinois
-Indiana
-Iowa
-Michigan
-Michigan State
-Minnesota
-Northwestern
-Ohio State
-Purdue
-Penn State
-Notre Dame
-Wisconsin

BIG EAST CONFERENCE:
-Syracuse
-Connecticut
-West Virginia
-Rutgers
-Army
-Navy
-Cincinnati
-Pitt
-Louisville
-Southern Florida

Also this would leave the chance that if any CAA schools wanting to move up into the FBS two spots in the Big East if they chose to go with a 12 team conference. My votes would have to be on Delaware and JMU

[AZGrizFan]

Same model used by the Big 12. Hmm....and where's TEXAS playing?

In a non-NCAA sanctioned faux championship game that they are going to lose

So's Villanover...what's your point?

[CatMom]

I am saying the NCAA does not recognize the BCS champion, ie: no NCAA FBS champion. They do recognize the FCS champion as the DIV I Football champion.

[BlueHen86]

The Big Ten looked at the CAA and realized that it was the perfect model for creating the perception that some teams are much better than they actually are. Pound on patsies in the bottom half of the conference (since there aren't enough scheduled games to have to play the better teams) - which results in so many 1 or 2 loss teams that half the conference gets invited to post season games one of which will make the national championship game just about every year.

FIFY

[BlueHen86]

The article I saw about this quoted JoePa as saying that as far as he's concerned, the Domers had their shot when they turned down an invite in '99. He would prefer Pitt, Syracuse, or one other school I can't remember. For Penn State, Pitt would make sense as they would make a good travel partner. ISU would be the same for Iowa. I'm not really sure how Syracuse would fit into the mix, though. Personally, though, while there's no real argument for it, I'd love to see them call up Youngstown. Not gonna happen, though.

Rutgers was the other school that Joe Pa mentioned.

[BlueHen86]

Pretty much i think for now its safe to say that no FCS teams will be joining the Big Ten until after 2012. Anyways despite turning down the Big Ten before i think Notre Dame will be the new school to join the conference since it fits both geographical and academically. Also there are some rumors of how the Big East may want to expand in the future as well and with Army and Navy both sitting without a conference i think that those two would be a good fit, so this is what we would have:

BIG TEN CONFERENCE: (Would have to rename it, cant have 2 Big 12's)
-Illinois
-Indiana
-Iowa
-Michigan
-Michigan State
-Minnesota
-Northwestern
-Ohio State
-Purdue
-Penn State
-Notre Dame
-Wisconsin

BIG EAST CONFERENCE:
-Syracuse
-Connecticut
-West Virginia
-Rutgers
-Army
-Navy
-Cincinnati
-Pitt
-Louisville
-Southern Florida

Also this would leave the chance that if any CAA schools wanting to move up into the FBS two spots in the Big East if they chose to go with a 12 team conference. My votes would have to be on Delaware and JMU

I don't see Army or Navy joining the Big East. Army left C-USA because they weren't competitive enough.