Nonsense, you're just struggling to substantiate your epic thread in the face of what will be studied by schoolchildren decades from now as the 3rd Red Scare in the US. On the bright side, if anyone other than the group of us who inhabit this website gets to view the yeoman efforts you've put into this thread to advance this hysteria, you'll have a chance to have Skjelly mentioned in the same rarefied air as Palmer and McCarthy. That's surely something to aim for! Dare to dream!Skjellyfetti wrote:gannon's posts are slowly devolving to a Trump tweet.
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It seems to trigger you. So, that is motivation in and of itself.
And, what? You don't think an FBI, and later special counsel, investigation into the campaign of the President of the United States deserves a thread in the Political Forum? You would have preferred separate threads for every story that has come up? Or what?
And, what? You don't think an FBI, and later special counsel, investigation into the campaign of the President of the United States deserves a thread in the Political Forum? You would have preferred separate threads for every story that has come up? Or what?
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Hey, I love political drama that has historical repercussions - I'm a history buff so this kind of stuff is great. And if you were an unbiased actor in all of this I'm sure we'd be having a great time going over this. However, you seem to be sitting on the each of your seat wondering which revelation is going to result in Trump et al being marched out of the White House in handcuffs and I just don't see folks other than the ones we've known about for 2 years now (Manafort and Flynn in particular) going down in all of this, and most of their crimes didn't have anything to do with this particular election. And then with all the other things that come with Scares like this - phantom rallies, the ensnaring of Facebook, the idea that Bernie Sanders is in league with the Russians, the idea that anyone who wasn't all in for Hillary is in league with the Russians (yes, even Jill Stein is a Soviet plant) it's all fun stuff to watch.Skjellyfetti wrote:It seems to trigger you. So, that is motivation in and of itself.![]()
And, what? You don't think an FBI, and later special counsel, investigation into the campaign of the President of the United States deserves a thread in the Political Forum? You would have preferred separate threads for every story that has come up? Or what?
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Eh. Last Spring you were yawning at this story saying that if there were going to be indictments - they would have already been charged. Now you're saying we knew folks like Manafort and Gates were going to be charged all along. Ok. You certainly didn't make your thoughts on that known.
I never claimed Trump would be indicted. In fact - I've said repeatedly that it is unlikely. I also don't think it's likely that anyone still in the White House. Very few remain - and, the few that do remain have only tangentially been related to any of these stories.(like Kellyanne Conway) or not at all (like Stephen Miller). Kushner is an exception - but, we'll see how much longer he's in the WH.
I never claimed Trump would be indicted. In fact - I've said repeatedly that it is unlikely. I also don't think it's likely that anyone still in the White House. Very few remain - and, the few that do remain have only tangentially been related to any of these stories.(like Kellyanne Conway) or not at all (like Stephen Miller). Kushner is an exception - but, we'll see how much longer he's in the WH.
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Just change thread to investigation and discuss to investigate, and you’ve described Muller’s fishing expedition to a T..Skjellyfetti wrote:I believe these are the officially designated parameters of the thread:
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I'm waiting for the lid to be blown off the illegal spying on Trump. I'm at the other end of this! Lol.GannonFan wrote:Hey, I love political drama that has historical repercussions - I'm a history buff so this kind of stuff is great. And if you were an unbiased actor in all of this I'm sure we'd be having a great time going over this. However, you seem to be sitting on the each of your seat wondering which revelation is going to result in Trump et al being marched out of the White House in handcuffs and I just don't see folks other than the ones we've known about for 2 years now (Manafort and Flynn in particular) going down in all of this, and most of their crimes didn't have anything to do with this particular election. And then with all the other things that come with Scares like this - phantom rallies, the ensnaring of Facebook, the idea that Bernie Sanders is in league with the Russians, the idea that anyone who wasn't all in for Hillary is in league with the Russians (yes, even Jill Stein is a Soviet plant) it's all fun stuff to watch.Skjellyfetti wrote:It seems to trigger you. So, that is motivation in and of itself.![]()
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Daily Beast with a good story on how US intelligence was able to tie Guccifer 2.0 to Russian intelligence. Not a surprise to anyone paying attention.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.thedai ... ce-officer
We know Stone was in contact with Guccifer during the campaign.
It also seems like Stone knew about the Podesta emails about to drop.
August 17, 2016: Guccifer 2.0 says to Stone. “ please tell me if i can help u anyhow . it would be a great pleasure to me.”
August 21, 2016: Stone tweets : “Trust me, it will soon the Podesta’s time in the barrel . #CrookedHillary.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.thedai ... ce-officer
We know Stone was in contact with Guccifer during the campaign.
It also seems like Stone knew about the Podesta emails about to drop.
August 17, 2016: Guccifer 2.0 says to Stone. “ please tell me if i can help u anyhow . it would be a great pleasure to me.”
August 21, 2016: Stone tweets : “Trust me, it will soon the Podesta’s time in the barrel . #CrookedHillary.
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Stop it, you're so deep into this you're just making stuff up now. A year ago, I said Flynn was guilty as sin and was going down. Here's my post from March 31st of last year (i.e. last spring):Skjellyfetti wrote:Eh. Last Spring you were yawning at this story saying that if there were going to be indictments - they would have already been charged. Now you're saying we knew folks like Manafort and Gates were going to be charged all along. Ok. You certainly didn't make your thoughts on that known.![]()
I never claimed Trump would be indicted. In fact - I've said repeatedly that it is unlikely. I also don't think it's likely that anyone still in the White House. Very few remain - and, the few that do remain have only tangentially been related to any of these stories.(like Kellyanne Conway) or not at all (like Stephen Miller). Kushner is an exception - but, we'll see how much longer he's in the WH.
People were always going to charged - just as Flynn had existing stuff to charge him on obviously Manafort was the same. You got anything else?Gannonfan wrote:Don't know yet. Flynn's obviously guilty of stuff stretching back several years, but is that news that a political operative took money he shouldn't have? He's probably in a lot of company on both sides of the aisle in Washington. As to what else, eh, we'll see. The Russians releasing stolen information that Clinton was corrupt is hardly a revelation, she's been corrupt for years. It's why the Dems shouldn't have rigged their primary in the first place to guarantee she was the nominee. If it's just guys like Flynn who go down in this then it's not going to really resonate. Get someone with a Trump last name and it's a different game.
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This is what I was referencing:
http://www.championshipsubdivision.com/ ... &p=1118819GannonFan wrote: It seems terribly long for anything to come out, assuming there's something to come out. If what you posted is correct, and they had a warrant to listen in to Page, that was back in the summer. We're almost 10 months out now from the "crime" and there was a Democratic control of the Executive branch for 6 of those months. Why hasn't there been any charges so far? It's not like you need to build a huge case here - if they have this guy or Flynn on record saying that they are working with a foreign power then it should be a slam dunk. Yet, they haven't dunked it yet, despite getting close to a year from when they should've had evidence that there was a crime.
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So you reference an older post, but the one I reference that says Flynn is going down a few weeks later (again, still March of 2017) isn't valid? Come, on.Skjellyfetti wrote:This is what I was referencing:
http://www.championshipsubdivision.com/ ... &p=1118819GannonFan wrote: It seems terribly long for anything to come out, assuming there's something to come out. If what you posted is correct, and they had a warrant to listen in to Page, that was back in the summer. We're almost 10 months out now from the "crime" and there was a Democratic control of the Executive branch for 6 of those months. Why hasn't there been any charges so far? It's not like you need to build a huge case here - if they have this guy or Flynn on record saying that they are working with a foreign power then it should be a slam dunk. Yet, they haven't dunked it yet, despite getting close to a year from when they should've had evidence that there was a crime.
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It was a more recent post (April 12, 2017).
And, I was going off of memory. Your more outrageous claims stick better in memory.

And, I was going off of memory. Your more outrageous claims stick better in memory.
I wasn't making anything up.GannonFan wrote: Stop it, you're so deep into this you're just making stuff up now.
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Nope, I've been pretty consistent for a year now that Flynn and Manafort were going down. You said...Skjellyfetti wrote:It was a more recent post (April 12, 2017).
And, I was going off of memory. Your more outrageous claims stick better in memory.
I wasn't making anything up.GannonFan wrote: Stop it, you're so deep into this you're just making stuff up now.
Skjellyfetti wrote:You certainly didn't make your thoughts on that known
when clearly I did. So clearly you did make something up. Heck, you even provided the evidence that you did. Is this too much for you?
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Lol.GannonFan wrote:
Nope, I've been pretty consistent for a year now that Flynn and Manafort were going down. You said...
Skjellyfetti wrote:You certainly didn't make your thoughts on that known
when clearly I did. So clearly you did make something up. Heck, you even provided the evidence that you did. Is this too much for you?
Nice edit job.
Why didn't you include the rest?
Did you ever claim Gates and Manafort would be charged last Spring?Skjellyfetti wrote:Now you're saying we knew folks like Manafort and Gates were going to be charged all along. Ok. You certainly didn't make your thoughts on that known.![]()
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I clearly said Flynn and others, dating back to last Spring. Don't see how that was wrong. And heck, Manafort wasn't even charged on anything recent, his charges all relate to work he did with the Ukraine dating back to 8 years ago and not reporting the income properly or at all.Skjellyfetti wrote:Lol.GannonFan wrote:
Nope, I've been pretty consistent for a year now that Flynn and Manafort were going down. You said...
when clearly I did. So clearly you did make something up. Heck, you even provided the evidence that you did. Is this too much for you?
Nice edit job.
Why didn't you include the rest?
Did you ever claim Gates and Manafort would be charged last Spring?Skjellyfetti wrote:Now you're saying we knew folks like Manafort and Gates were going to be charged all along. Ok. You certainly didn't make your thoughts on that known.![]()
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Wrong.
Manafort's charges range from 2006 - January 2017.
Try again.
Manafort's charges range from 2006 - January 2017.
Try again.
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Gee, I didn't know they went back that far. I'm glad to know that I was wrong in thinking they only went back to 2011.Skjellyfetti wrote:Wrong.
Manafort's charges range from 2006 - January 2017.
Try again.
As you've been apt to do in a thread this long, what exactly are your arguing for again?
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You said he wasn't charged on anything recent:GannonFan wrote:Gee, I didn't know they went back that far. I'm glad to know that I was wrong in thinking they only went back to 2011.Skjellyfetti wrote:Wrong.
Manafort's charges range from 2006 - January 2017.
Try again.![]()
As you've been apt to do in a thread this long, what exactly are your arguing for again?
You were wrong.GannonFan wrote:Manafort wasn't even charged on anything recent
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Is this what you're nitpicking on for today?Skjellyfetti wrote:You said he wasn't charged on anything recent:GannonFan wrote:
Gee, I didn't know they went back that far. I'm glad to know that I was wrong in thinking they only went back to 2011.![]()
As you've been apt to do in a thread this long, what exactly are your arguing for again?
You were wrong.GannonFan wrote:Manafort wasn't even charged on anything recent
From NPR:
https://www.npr.org/2018/02/22/58809155 ... fort-gatesThe charges Manafort and Gates face stem from political consulting work they did for a pro-Russian political party in Ukraine and for allegedly attempting to shield their earnings from that work from U.S. authorities. Many of the alleged crimes date back to years to before the 2016 campaign, but some continued past Election Day.
So it's still from work he did in the Ukraine, and the current stuff, as you like to call it, is just his continued attempts to shield the earnings? You do realize that it's this kind of "missing the forest because of the trees" focus that has people comparing you to spandos, correct? Is it dark in the rabbit hole or did you bring a flashlight?
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He and Gates were laundering Russian money through Cyprus during and after the campaign.
And, it's no big deal because it was money for work he did prior to the campaign?
Not sure what your point is?
And, it's no big deal because it was money for work he did prior to the campaign?
Not sure what your point is?
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The FBI has found that a business associate of former Trump campaign chairman Paul Manafort had ongoing ties to Russian intelligence, including during the 2016 campaign when Manafort and his deputy, Rick Gates, were in touch with the associate, according to new court filings.
The documents, filed late Tuesday by prosecutors for special counsel Robert S. Mueller III, also allege that Gates had said he knew the associate was a former officer with the Russian military intelligence service.
The allegations underscore Mueller’s interest in Manafort and Gates, who continued to interact with business associates in Ukraine even as they helped lead Donald Trump’s presidential campaign.
Manafort, 68, has pleaded not guilty to conspiracy, money laundering, and tax and bank fraud charges related to his lobbying work for a Russian-friendly political party in Ukraine and former Ukrainian president Viktor Yanukovych.
Gates, 45, who was deputy campaign manager for Trump and had earlier worked with Manafort in Ukraine, pleaded guilty last month to conspiracy and lying to the FBI in a cooperation deal with Mueller’s probe.
Prosecutors made the allegation without naming the Manafort associate but described his role with Manafort in detail. The description matches the Russian manager of Manafort’s lobbying office in Kiev, Konstantin Kilimnik.
Kilimnik, a White House spokesman and an attorney for Gates did not immediately respond to requests for comment.
Kilimnik has previously denied intelligence ties, telling The Washington Post in a statement in June that he has “no relation to the Russian or any other intelligence service.”
A spokesman for Manafort, who is under a court gag order, declined to comment.
Manafort has acknowledged staying in frequent contact with Kilimnik during the time he worked for Trump’s campaign, including meeting with him in person in May 2016 and again in August 2016, about two weeks before Manafort resigned as Trump’s campaign chairman.
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C’mon! Next you’re gonna allege that Trump’s Commerce Secretary had connections to Cypriot banking or something...Skjellyfetti wrote:He and Gates were laundering Russian money through Cyprus during and after the campaign.
And, it's no big deal because it was money for work he did prior to the campaign?
Not sure what your point is?
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https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa- ... ium=SocialAndrew Ekonomou, 69, is one of a handful of lawyers assisting Jay Sekulow, the main attorney representing Trump in Special Counsel Robert Mueller’s investigation.
Sekulow told Reuters on Tuesday that after the departure of Washington attorney John Dowd from Trump’s personal legal team last week, Ekonomou will assume a more prominent role.
Ekonomou said he has been working with Sekulow on the Mueller probe since June.
The elevation comes at a crucial time in the Mueller probe, as Trump’s team is negotiating the terms under which the president himself may be interviewed. Sekulow is now the last man standing of a trio of personal lawyers hired last spring to assist Trump on the probe. Combative New York lawyer Marc Kasowitz exited the team last summer.
Sekulow said Ekonomou, who works under contract as an assistant district attorney in Brunswick, Georgia, was a “brilliant strategist” who has handled complex investigations for decades. Ekonomou assisted Sekulow in a famous case involving the religious group Jews for Jesus before the Supreme Court in the 1980s.
While Ekonomou has also worked on criminal matters, he has not handled cases as high-profile and complex as the Mueller probe.
In an interview, Ekonomou told Reuters that he “prosecutes a lot of murders for the D.A.”
When asked about his biggest cases of late, Ekonomou said, “That’s basically it. Nothing earthshaking.”
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https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa- ... ium=SocialAndrew Ekonomou, 69, is one of a handful of lawyers assisting Jay Sekulow, the main attorney representing Trump in Special Counsel Robert Mueller’s investigation.
Sekulow told Reuters on Tuesday that after the departure of Washington attorney John Dowd from Trump’s personal legal team last week, Ekonomou will assume a more prominent role.
Ekonomou said he has been working with Sekulow on the Mueller probe since June.
The elevation comes at a crucial time in the Mueller probe, as Trump’s team is negotiating the terms under which the president himself may be interviewed. Sekulow is now the last man standing of a trio of personal lawyers hired last spring to assist Trump on the probe. Combative New York lawyer Marc Kasowitz exited the team last summer.
Sekulow said Ekonomou, who works under contract as an assistant district attorney in Brunswick, Georgia, was a “brilliant strategist” who has handled complex investigations for decades. Ekonomou assisted Sekulow in a famous case involving the religious group Jews for Jesus before the Supreme Court in the 1980s.
While Ekonomou has also worked on criminal matters, he has not handled cases as high-profile and complex as the Mueller probe.
In an interview, Ekonomou told Reuters that he “prosecutes a lot of murders for the D.A.”
When asked about his biggest cases of late, Ekonomou said, “That’s basically it. Nothing earthshaking.”
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You do know there have been around 10 people from the FBI and DOJ that have either been demoted, fired or reassigned don't you? It may all wash out as bullshit, but what I think it will point out is the disparity in how our elected officials are treated versus the even wealthy average Joe.JohnStOnge wrote:I think that is probably a whack job conspiracy theory thing and you are waiting in vain. But we'll see.SeattleGriz wrote:[I'm waiting for the lid to be blown off the illegal spying on Trump. I'm at the other end of this! Lol.
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