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Bisonfanatical wrote: the north.

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The south was very good at getting the most production with the least cost, learned from egypt, I'm sure. The north wanted a piece of the pie with no investment. Sound familiar?
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Instead of the north and south, think of it as the left and right in today's terms.
People (probably) like you, want what others want because they are to (pick one) lazy, inept, mean spirited, under educated, poor credit score, etc to grow their own assets, build their own dream.

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Just heard the "media" try to slam Trump on his comment at the end of yesterday's press conference. He was asked what he can do to improve race relations. He said "jobs". The media is scoffing at this for some reason.

If you think about it, segregation occurs often in our home life. But if mixed races are forced to be together working for a common goal, it is great way of improving race relations. Not sure why he is getting heat for that comment other than not articulating it well.
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Here we go. Citdog and Richard Spencer should soon converge in our quaint little town to save "the bum urinal".

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Looks like Taney is the next to go. The recast statue that was in Baltimore was taken down overnight, and there's a push to oust the original statue from the statehouse in Annapolis. Of course, while Taney's Dred Scott decision was abominable, he never was a Confederate and remain serving in the US government through the Civil War until his death. Certainly have to question if the guy deserves a statue (he was from Maryland, hence why it's there, and he was Chief Justice for quite some time in the 1800's, appointed by Andrew Jackson, which is likely another mark against him). Another oversight in our history education as the media reports his as a Confederate statue. But details. :coffee:

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Quote from above mentioned article:
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" The memorial hardly drew a second glance before a 21-year-old man who had previously been photographed with the Confederate flag shot and killed nine people at Emanuel African Methodist Episcopal Church in South Carolina in June 2015, which sparked a robust community discussion about what to do with the Confederate symbol in Helena. "

My takeaway:
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Thank goodness the 21 year old man had not been photographed next to a McDonald's before shooting those people ... the golden arches as a symbol of "hate".
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When you wave a NAZI flag here is what you're waving a flag to...
It's not a FUCKING GAME

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Chizzang wrote:When you wave a NAZI flag here is what you're waving a flag to...
It's not a FUCKING GAME
Nor is ISIS or Stalin's death squads. But you don't seem to have the same fervor when ANTIFA or BLM jagoffs wave those flags...
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AZGrizFan wrote:
Chizzang wrote:When you wave a NAZI flag here is what you're waving a flag to...
It's not a FUCKING GAME
Nor is ISIS or Stalin's death squads. But you don't seem to have the same fervor when ANTIFA or BLM jagoffs wave those flags...
Pay attention AZ and I'll slow it down for you bandle style

BLM is awful and I despise them and their tactics
I don't even know what ANTIFA is frankly
(I'm sure they're awful too)

I do not disagree that Leftists groups initiated the violence
I think that is clear

But I repeat:
Waving a NAZI flag is not a fucking game
When you wave a NAZI FLAG you are saying human extermination is a good idea
you are saying that violence against others is acceptable

Waving a NAZI FLAG is not a fucking game
It's not cool
It's not funny
It's not a "Statement' about unemployment
It's announcing that you look forward to murdering those humans that you see as less than you
You are telling every black person and Jew and non-Arian that you are AT WAR WITH THEM
and look forward to their complete extermination

It's not a fucking game
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Chizzang wrote:
AZGrizFan wrote:
Nor is ISIS or Stalin's death squads. But you don't seem to have the same fervor when ANTIFA or BLM jagoffs wave those flags...
Pay attention AZ and I'll slow it down for you bandle style

BLM is awful and I despise them and their tactics
I don't even know what ANTIFA is frankly
(I'm sure they're awful too)

I do not disagree that Leftists groups initiated the violence
I think that is clear

But I repeat:
Waving a NAZI flag is not a fucking game
When you wave a NAZI FLAG you are saying human extermination is a good idea
you are saying that violence against others is acceptable

Waving a NAZI FLAG is not a fucking game
It's not cool
It's not funny
It's not a "Statement' about unemployment
It's announcing that you look forward to murdering those humans that you see as less than you
You are telling every black person and Jew and non-Arian that you are AT WAR WITH THEM
and look forward to their complete extermination

It's not a fucking game
I'll point out that most of these white nationalists don't rationalize the holocaust, they just deny it (the term "holohoax" appears a lot on their websites.)

But yeah, they need to get new banners because they make themselves easy targets with swastikas. Being sneaky and seductive rather than just being shock artists isn't their strong suit.
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Someone probably already said this but what caught my attention in Trump's rant was him saying he likes to wait for the facts before popping off. I've noted that various media entities also noted the irony of that Statement. I do not even have to cite examples of the numerous times he has popped off without having the facts. All of you people can think of plenty of them.
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BTW, remember how I wrote about how the Trump thing is bad for the Republican Party in the long run because in the long run the Republican Party needs to change the fact that non White voters vote overwhelmingly Democrat? You know, how the proportion of voters who are non White is inexorably increasing and how they have to find a way to avoid becoming a historical footnote?

And it's not even that one needs to just go along with all of the social justice, affirmative action, etc. stuff. But for Pete's sake one needs to be able to make the case in a way that has at least some chance of being respected and doesn't completely alienate people.

Again: You've got a person with the emotional maturity of a 10 year old acting as the face of the Republican Party right now.

Plus he says things that just make you slap your forehead. Like that saying he likes to wait for the facts. I mean really. After the way that guy has behaved over the past two years he says THAT?
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Grizalltheway wrote:Here we go. Citdog and Richard Spencer should soon converge in our quaint little town to save "the bum urinal".

http://helenair.com/news/local/american ... b6cfb.html
Virginia has deep historic ties to the Confederacy so it's no surprise there are memorials everywhere (although I'm one that believes they should be taken down and placed in museums). But it makes me laugh when I see towns in states with no ties to the Civil War (let alone the CSA) have Confederate memorials.

One example is Lemmon, SD which has a small Confederate memorial. First of all, SD wasn't even a state yet. Second, the town didn't exist. And third, troops in the Dakota territories were pulled to fight for the Union. So why the fuck is there a Confederate memorial in small-town South Dakota? :lol:
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Ivytalk wrote:On deck: Dallas, Boston, and others. :popcorn: :popcorn:
There is ONE monument in Massachusetts pertaining to the Confederacy and the Civil War...it's on an island in Boston Harbor that was a prison for captured Confederate Army soldiers. The monument remembers the soldiers who died and are buried on the island...and there is now a call to remove it...
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The more I see on this situation I think that leftists such as those in ANTIFA started the violence. I think White Nationalist went to the scene prepared for violence and not at all reluctant to engage in it. But I think leftists started it. I think leftist were the spark and the White Nationalists were the gasoline.
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JohnStOnge wrote:The more I see on this situation I think that leftists such as those in ANTIFA started the violence. I think White Nationalist went to the scene prepared for violence and not at all reluctant to engage in it. But I think leftists started it. I think leftist were the spark and the White Nationalists were the gasoline.
John...
Here's a quote from one of them while surrounded by his Nazi cronies. “We’re not non-violent, we’ll fucking kill all these people if we have to” he said then, adding that it was good that 32-year-old Heather Heyer was killed by a fellow white supremacist at the rally.

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Chizzang wrote:
JohnStOnge wrote:The more I see on this situation I think that leftists such as those in ANTIFA started the violence. I think White Nationalist went to the scene prepared for violence and not at all reluctant to engage in it. But I think leftists started it. I think leftist were the spark and the White Nationalists were the gasoline.
John...
Here's a quote from one of them while surrounded by his Nazi cronies. “We’re not non-violent, we’ll **** kill all these people if we have to” he said then, adding that it was good that 32-year-old Heather Heyer was killed by a fellow white supremacist at the rally.

:nod:

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I saw that. But what I saw from that documentary...and I haven't seen the whole thing I've only seen cuts of it...is a factor in me saying that I'm starting to think that the violence was initiated by leftists. I think they "threw the first punch."

Again, I think the White Nationalist went there fully expecting that to happen and being prepared to explode when it did. But at this point I suspect the leftists are the ones who initiated the violence.
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JohnStOnge wrote:
Chizzang wrote:
John...
Here's a quote from one of them while surrounded by his Nazi cronies. “We’re not non-violent, we’ll **** kill all these people if we have to” he said then, adding that it was good that 32-year-old Heather Heyer was killed by a fellow white supremacist at the rally.

:nod:

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I saw that. But what I saw from that documentary...and I haven't seen the whole thing I've only seen cuts of it...is a factor in me saying that I'm starting to think that the violence was initiated by leftists. I think they "threw the first punch."

Again, I think the White Nationalist went there fully expecting that to happen and being prepared to explode when it did. But at this point I suspect the leftists are the ones who initiated the violence.
Nobody even denies that...
The leftists started the violence (Done) in the bag - Yes they did - not much of a dispute

What I'm talking about is the RIGHT denying what a NAZI is and saying they aren't
Guys like Pwns right here on this forum pretending that fucking American NAZI's aren't NAZI's
Pretending that given the chance these NAZI's wouldn't exterminate life (Like a living abortion)

To put it in terms Pwns can understand

They worship murderers
They want to end the lives of entire sections of the population

STOP Saying they are something else
These guys are INDEED just like Islamic terrorists - take them at their word
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Chizzang wrote:
AZGrizFan wrote:
Nor is ISIS or Stalin's death squads. But you don't seem to have the same fervor when ANTIFA or BLM jagoffs wave those flags...
Pay attention AZ and I'll slow it down for you bandle style

BLM is awful and I despise them and their tactics
I don't even know what ANTIFA is frankly
(I'm sure they're awful too)

I do not disagree that Leftists groups initiated the violence
I think that is clear

But I repeat:
Waving a NAZI flag is not a fucking game
When you wave a NAZI FLAG you are saying human extermination is a good idea
you are saying that violence against others is acceptable

Waving a NAZI FLAG is not a fucking game
It's not cool
It's not funny
It's not a "Statement' about unemployment
It's announcing that you look forward to murdering those humans that you see as less than you
You are telling every black person and Jew and non-Arian that you are AT WAR WITH THEM
and look forward to their complete extermination

It's not a fucking game
Give BLM 50 years to catch up and they will be as good as Nazis, same with ANTIFA.....they are the same but new to this game

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Chizzang wrote:
AZGrizFan wrote:
Nor is ISIS or Stalin's death squads. But you don't seem to have the same fervor when ANTIFA or BLM jagoffs wave those flags...
Pay attention AZ and I'll slow it down for you bandle style

BLM is awful and I despise them and their tactics
I don't even know what ANTIFA is frankly
(I'm sure they're awful too)

I do not disagree that Leftists groups initiated the violence
I think that is clear

But I repeat:
Waving a NAZI flag is not a fucking game
When you wave a NAZI FLAG you are saying human extermination is a good idea
you are saying that violence against others is acceptable

Waving a NAZI FLAG is not a fucking game
It's not cool
It's not funny
It's not a "Statement' about unemployment
It's announcing that you look forward to murdering those humans that you see as less than you
You are telling every black person and Jew and non-Arian that you are AT WAR WITH THEM
and look forward to their complete extermination

It's not a fucking game
Did you see that? That was the point flying right over your head.

ALL those things you said? Apply to BLM, ANTIFA (That's Anti-First Amendment, a terrorist organization except to the left) and ISIS. So, not clear what differentiates Nazi sympathizers except they're white? Is that where the outrage comes from?
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Yes and it's the only thing that matters

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I'm trying to figure out if we're expanding the definition of what a National Socialist is

If you fly a flag with a swastika on it then I'm fairly comfortable with calling you a Nazi (or a reenactor)

But lately it seems like we're applying the Nazi label to everything from real Nazis to people who disagree with BLM and Antifa

I'm pretty sure I'm a Nazi in some peoples' minds
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AZGrizFan wrote:
Chizzang wrote:
Pay attention AZ and I'll slow it down for you bandle style

BLM is awful and I despise them and their tactics
I don't even know what ANTIFA is frankly
(I'm sure they're awful too)

I do not disagree that Leftists groups initiated the violence
I think that is clear

But I repeat:
Waving a NAZI flag is not a fucking game
When you wave a NAZI FLAG you are saying human extermination is a good idea
you are saying that violence against others is acceptable

Waving a NAZI FLAG is not a fucking game
It's not cool
It's not funny
It's not a "Statement' about unemployment
It's announcing that you look forward to murdering those humans that you see as less than you
You are telling every black person and Jew and non-Arian that you are AT WAR WITH THEM
and look forward to their complete extermination

It's not a fucking game
Did you see that? That was the point flying right over your head.

ALL those things you said? Apply to BLM, ANTIFA (That's Anti-First Amendment, a terrorist organization except to the left) and ISIS. So, not clear what differentiates Nazi sympathizers except they're white? Is that where the outrage comes from?
I don't think that fact has sunk in Chizz' head, yet. Give it some time.
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