It's still flying. Removal requires 2/3 of the legislature to approve it.93henfan wrote:Maybe I spoke too soon. Is SC still flying it over the dead negro senator's funeral?
You bitches are cold!.
You some cold crackers!Ibanez wrote:It's still flying. Removal requires 2/3 of the legislature to approve it.93henfan wrote:Maybe I spoke too soon. Is SC still flying it over the dead negro senator's funeral?
You bitches are cold!.
And yes, it's flying while Sen. Pickney lies in state.
Not as cold as Senat.....nevermind. Too soon.93henfan wrote:You some cold crackers!Ibanez wrote: It's still flying. Removal requires 2/3 of the legislature to approve it.
And yes, it's flying while Sen. Pickney lies in state.
Typical redneck response. YOU CAN'T STOP IT..............LOL It's coming down all over the South. Still won't mean shvt to me.Cluck U wrote:Why?Vidav wrote:
Big difference between flying the flag of the country you came from and flying the flag of a failed attempt to break from the USA.
Germany tried to conquer all of Europe. Japan launched a sneak attack the drew us into a war. Both of those country's actions ended up killing millions of people around the world, several hundred thousand of which were Americans. Plenty of painful memories brought up by the flags of those countries.
China commits human rights atrocities every day...as do their people. Ditto Saudi Arabia. Why aren't people pointing to those folks and saying what shitty, redneck people they are for proudly flying their backwards country's flag?
Why can they be looked at as being nice people proud of their heritage when their countries are **** holes that continue to deny basic human rights?
Wait...Confederates were traitors. Gotcha. They were a part of something and tried to leave the US of A. Well, apparently, the concept of America is very similar to the thinking used by Muslin extremists. Those Muslins believe that all the land that was under Muslin rule should be returned to Muslin rule...by force, if necessary. Yup, it is so comforting to know that we, America, have such similar thinking to such a wonderful bunch of peeps.
That's typical? For a redneck?!mrklean wrote:Typical redneck response. YOU CAN'T STOP IT..............LOL It's coming down all over the South. Still won't mean shvt to me.Cluck U wrote:
Why?
Germany tried to conquer all of Europe. Japan launched a sneak attack the drew us into a war. Both of those country's actions ended up killing millions of people around the world, several hundred thousand of which were Americans. Plenty of painful memories brought up by the flags of those countries.
China commits human rights atrocities every day...as do their people. Ditto Saudi Arabia. Why aren't people pointing to those folks and saying what shitty, redneck people they are for proudly flying their backwards country's flag?
Why can they be looked at as being nice people proud of their heritage when their countries are **** holes that continue to deny basic human rights?
Wait...Confederates were traitors. Gotcha. They were a part of something and tried to leave the US of A. Well, apparently, the concept of America is very similar to the thinking used by Muslin extremists. Those Muslins believe that all the land that was under Muslin rule should be returned to Muslin rule...by force, if necessary. Yup, it is so comforting to know that we, America, have such similar thinking to such a wonderful bunch of peeps.
When is it time to move into the 21st century? If you want Black people to let go of Slavery, then let go of this fascination of the Old South. I think both sides can learn a from this. But they won't. Too much like right.Ibanez wrote:That's typical? For a redneck?!mrklean wrote:
Typical redneck response. YOU CAN'T STOP IT..............LOL It's coming down all over the South. Still won't mean shvt to me.
Why's it have to be quid pro quo? People should be able to honor their ancestors and family history. People should not use past and rectified injustices as a reason for poor behavior.mrklean wrote:When is it time to move into the 21st century? If you want Black people to let go of Slavery, then let go of this fascination of the Old South. I think both sides can learn a from this. But they won't. Too much like right.Ibanez wrote:
That's typical? For a redneck?!
AZGrizFan wrote:That's all displaying the Confederate flag is, too. Freedom of expression. It's not 1865 any more. And as FU so eloquently stated in another thread, the vast majority of people who display the Stars and Bars today don't do so to offend blacks. When I see the Stars & Bars, I don't immediately think of slavery, the Civil War, or Dukes of Hazzard. And really, if blacks take offense to someone waving the Stars and Bars, that's the BLACKS' issue, not the person displaying the flag.Ibanez wrote: I don't approve of it, but I respect the freedom of expression.
But, once again, we as a country bow to the whims of the few. Once again, law abiding citizens and society as a whole are impacted by the actions of the .001%. Once again we, as a country, bend over backwards to suck off the minority and go overboard attempting to placate and appease. One racist goes on a shooting spree and SC folds like a cheap piano and will take down the flag. Walmart and Amazon immediately stop selling Stars and Bars products. The Citadel is removing the flag. Suddenly--150 years AFTER the end of the Civil War, the Stars & Bars are "bad" and must be cleansed from our history.
These **** knee-jerk reactions to one-off incidents....THAT'S why this country is going down the shitter. This has NOTHING to do with the Confederate flag....they're solving a "symptom" rather than the problem....but man, as a country we're REALLY good at that, aren't we? And we wonder why nothing ever changes....
You know what he means. He means the battle flag. THE ONLY FLAG ANYONE ASSOCIATES WITH THE CSA.BDKJMU wrote:AZGrizFan wrote:
That's all displaying the Confederate flag is, too. Freedom of expression. It's not 1865 any more. And as FU so eloquently stated in another thread, the vast majority of people who display the Stars and Bars today don't do so to offend blacks. When I see the Stars & Bars, I don't immediately think of slavery, the Civil War, or Dukes of Hazzard. And really, if blacks take offense to someone waving the Stars and Bars, that's the BLACKS' issue, not the person displaying the flag.
But, once again, we as a country bow to the whims of the few. Once again, law abiding citizens and society as a whole are impacted by the actions of the .001%. Once again we, as a country, bend over backwards to suck off the minority and go overboard attempting to placate and appease. One racist goes on a shooting spree and SC folds like a cheap piano and will take down the flag. Walmart and Amazon immediately stop selling Stars and Bars products. The Citadel is removing the flag. Suddenly--150 years AFTER the end of the Civil War, the Stars & Bars are "bad" and must be cleansed from our history.
These **** knee-jerk reactions to one-off incidents....THAT'S why this country is going down the shitter. This has NOTHING to do with the Confederate flag....they're solving a "symptom" rather than the problem....but man, as a country we're REALLY good at that, aren't we? And we wonder why nothing ever changes....
Do you mean the Battle Flag or the 2nd Naval Jack? These are the 'Stars and Bars'.
Most people probably don't even know the Stars and Bars is a confederate flag.
Not for anyone who knows any history of the War Between the States....Ibanez wrote:You know what he means. He means the battle flag. THE ONLY FLAG ANYONE ASSOCIATES WITH THE CSA.BDKJMU wrote:
Do you mean the Battle Flag or the 2nd Naval Jack? These are the 'Stars and Bars'.
Most people probably don't even know the Stars and Bars is a confederate flag.
Which isn't the majority. You're just being "that guy." Everyone associates the battle flag with the confederacy. Nobody cares about the 1st, 2nd or 3rd national flag (or that they even exists!)BDKJMU wrote:Not for anyone who knows any history of the War Between the States....Ibanez wrote:
You know what he means. He means the battle flag. THE ONLY FLAG ANYONE ASSOCIATES WITH THE CSA.
People should not use words like tradition and heritage to justify hanging on to a evil period of history. This same argument was used to justify the Jim Crow period as well.Ibanez wrote:Why's it have to be quid pro quo? People should be able to honor their ancestors and family history. People should not use past and rectified injustices as a reason for poor behavior.mrklean wrote:
When is it time to move into the 21st century? If you want Black people to let go of Slavery, then let go of this fascination of the Old South. I think both sides can learn a from this. But they won't. Too much like right.
No you don't or you wouldn't care when people express themselves by flying the battle flagIbanez wrote:I don't approve of it, but I respect the freedom of expression.AZGrizFan wrote:
Do you have a problem when people burn or stomp on the American flag?
The flag doesn't bother me. If you want to fly it, fly it. But don't get pissed when I look at you waving it, talking about the 'south will rise again' and consider you to be white trash. I respect the freedom of expression. I also have the ability to look at things objectively and realize that while I may be fine with, for some people it's a symbol of hatred and violence.ALPHAGRIZ1 wrote:No you don't or you wouldn't care when people express themselves by flying the battle flagIbanez wrote: I don't approve of it, but I respect the freedom of expression.
ALPHAGRIZ1 wrote:I understand you are a bigot and that's cool as long as you own it.
Yeah, i'm the bigot. That's cool. You can think that. 
If we got rid of everything that SOME PEOPLE found offensive (which we're well on the way to, by the way), this would be the biggest yawn of a country on the globe.Ibanez wrote:The flag doesn't bother me. If you want to fly it, fly it. But don't get pissed when I look at you waving it, talking about the 'south will rise again' and consider you to be white trash. I respect the freedom of expression. I also have the ability to look at things objectively and realize that while I may be fine with, for some people it's a symbol of hatred and violence.ALPHAGRIZ1 wrote: No you don't or you wouldn't care when people express themselves by flying the battle flag
It already is. I've stated repeatably, the flag shouldn't fly over a state house but if you want to own and fly it then go ahead. I don't care. it doesn't bother me. If Amazon, Sears, etc.. want to discontinue sales then that's their decision. It won't affect me. It's on statehouse grounds at a memorial right now and honestly, I don't see the big deal.AZGrizFan wrote:If we got rid of everything that SOME PEOPLE found offensive (which we're well on the way to, by the way), this would be the biggest yawn of a country on the globe.Ibanez wrote: The flag doesn't bother me. If you want to fly it, fly it. But don't get pissed when I look at you waving it, talking about the 'south will rise again' and consider you to be white trash. I respect the freedom of expression. I also have the ability to look at things objectively and realize that while I may be fine with, for some people it's a symbol of hatred and violence.
It's removal won't do anything to change attitudes. You completely miss the point, Mark. You don't care, it doesn't bother you. What happens when it's something that DOES bother you, but the precedent has been set?Ibanez wrote:It already is. I've stated repeatably, the flag shouldn't fly over a state house but if you want to own and fly it then go ahead. I don't care. it doesn't bother me. If Amazon, Sears, etc.. want to discontinue sales then that's their decision. It won't affect me. It's on statehouse grounds at a memorial right now and honestly, I don't see the big deal.AZGrizFan wrote:
If we got rid of everything that SOME PEOPLE found offensive (which we're well on the way to, by the way), this would be the biggest yawn of a country on the globe.
For all of y'alls talk, you sure don't pay attention (or read what you want to read.) It's an offensive symbol to many and governments are withdrawing thier use of it. That's a good idea. But if you want to have it on the front and back of your truck with a rack of horns from a bull ( like the guy that lives near my in-laws) then more power to you.
A full-fledged cultural cleansing of the Southern states is underway as lawmakers debate whether to remove Confederate flags and rename schools and parks named after Confederate war heroes.
There are also discussions in Washington, D.C. about removing Confederate-related statues from the U.S. Capitol — including a statue of Jefferson Davis, the former president of the Confederacy.
“It’s something to think about,” Sen. Harry Reid told reporters.
Republicans, meanwhile, are leading the charge in South Carolina and Mississippi to remove the Confederate flag — called a symbol of hate and racism.
Wal-Mart jumped on the band wagon, too – announcing they will remove all Confederate merchandise from its stores. EBay announced they will no longer sell Confederate flags or any other memorabilia.
Has the Department of Homeland Security classified the Sons and Daughters of the Confederacy as right-wing hate groups, yet?
Meanwhile, there are dozens of reports from around the southeast of lawmakers hoping to rename parks and schools and streets that were originally named in honor of Confederates.
*Tennessee lawmakers are demanding that a bust of Nathan Bedford Forrest be removed from the statehouse;
*Baltimore lawmakers want to rename Robert E. Lee Park;
*Dallas lawmakers are considering demands to rename Stonewall Jackson Elementary School;
*St. Louis lawmakers are debating over the future of a confederate statue in a city park;
*Commissioners in Hillsborough, North Carolina are debating whether to remove the words “Confederate Memorial” from a Confederate memorial.
*The Memphis City Council voted in 2013 to rename three parks – Confederate Park, Jefferson Davis Park and Nathan Bedford Forrest Park.
It won’t be too long before they start renaming cities and towns and counties named after Confederates. And I reckon it’s only a matter of time before they bulldoze the Confederate grave yards and war memorials too.
Maybe we can just pretend the Civil War never happened.
I’m assuming Hollywood will cooperate with the South’s cultural cleansing by eradicating any copies of “Gone with the Wind” and “Forrest Gump.” Forrest was named after the aforementioned Nathan Bedford Forrest.
I do wonder, though, about those good ole boys from Hazzard County. What are Bo and Luke Duke are going to do with the General Lee?
Maybe they could just paint a rainbow flag on top and call it the General Sherman.
He culturally cleansed the South, too.
I think you're reading what you want to read.AZGrizFan wrote:You completely miss the point, Mark. You don't care, it doesn't bother you. What happens when it's something that DOES bother you, but the precedent has been set?Ibanez wrote: It already is. I've stated repeatably, the flag shouldn't fly over a state house but if you want to own and fly it then go ahead. I don't care. it doesn't bother me. If Amazon, Sears, etc.. want to discontinue sales then that's their decision. It won't affect me. It's on statehouse grounds at a memorial right now and honestly, I don't see the big deal.
For all of y'alls talk, you sure don't pay attention (or read what you want to read.) It's an offensive symbol to many and governments are withdrawing thier use of it. That's a good idea. But if you want to have it on the front and back of your truck with a rack of horns from a bull ( like the guy that lives near my in-laws) then more power to you.
And again, what about when it's something that's important to YOU. EVERYTHING offends SOMEBODY. ANd when that "thing" is something that's important to you, but it's eliminated, will you care then? Will it bother you?Ibanez wrote:I think you're reading what you want to read.AZGrizFan wrote:
You completely miss the point, Mark. You don't care, it doesn't bother you. What happens when it's something that DOES bother you, but the precedent has been set?
We shouldn't offend parts of the population NOR should we let the minority rule.
and again, the minority shouldn't rule. Goddamn. If there is something that's important to me and someone finds it offensive then so what? Leave me the fuck alone and I'll leave you alone. If you want to battle me for something, I'll gauge it's true value. But unless it's my life, family, time or money I'll probably not do anything. Forest for the trees, ya dig.AZGrizFan wrote:And again, what about when it's something that's important to YOU. EVERYTHING offends SOMEBODY. ANd when that "thing" is something that's important to you, but it's eliminated, will you care then? Will it bother you?Ibanez wrote: I think you're reading what you want to read.
We shouldn't offend parts of the population NOR should we let the minority rule.
That does NOT compute with "it doesn't matter to me". It SHOULD matter to you, for that reason exactly. It SHOULD bother you, but instead....you'll probably do nothing. Like this guy...Ibanez wrote:and again, the minority shouldn't rule. Goddamn. If there is something that's important to me and someone finds it offensive then so what? Leave me the fuck alone and I'll leave you alone. If you want to battle me for something, I'll gauge it's true value. But unless it's my life, family, time or money I'll probably not do anything. Forest for the trees, ya dig.AZGrizFan wrote:
And again, what about when it's something that's important to YOU. EVERYTHING offends SOMEBODY. ANd when that "thing" is something that's important to you, but it's eliminated, will you care then? Will it bother you?
