CID1990 wrote:JohnStOnge wrote:
It does not work as intended. It was intended as a system by which the each State would select electors who would do the work of voting for a President because the general population was not qualified to do so. They wanted educated, informed people to do the job. They wanted State legislatures to pick the electors. It was not at all intended to be what it is now; where there is a popular vote in each State for specific candidates then the electors are bound to vote for the candidate picked through the popular vote in each State.
If it worked as intended somebody like Trump would have ZERO chance of becoming President. If it worked as intended I might be able to go with it. But it doesn't.
That’s your opinion, which you are entitled to
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It's not just my opinion. See Federalist 68.
https://avalon.law.yale.edu/18th_century/fed68.asp
It was desirable that the sense of the people should operate in the choice of the person to whom so important a trust was to be confided. This end will be answered by committing the right of making it, not to any preestablished body, but to men chosen by the people for the special purpose, and at the particular conjuncture.
It was equally desirable, that the immediate election should be made by men most capable of analyzing the qualities adapted to the station, and acting under circumstances favorable to deliberation, and to a judicious combination of all the reasons and inducements which were proper to govern their choice. A small number of persons, selected by their fellow-citizens from the general mass, will be most likely to possess the information and discernment requisite to such complicated investigations.
There's also the Constitution, which has this provision:
Each state shall appoint, in such manner as the Legislature thereof may direct, a number of electors, equal to the whole number of Senators and Representatives to which the State may be entitled in the Congress: but no Senator or Representative, or person holding an office of trust or profit under the United States, shall be appointed an elector.
Now, it turns out that eventually State legislatures directed that we do it the way we do now. But that is NOT what the framers were contemplating. They were NOT contemplating populist insanity such as that which led to Trump being President right now. And NOWHERE does the Constituation say the electors are obligated to vote for a particular candidate once they are chosen.
The idea was: States choose their electors. The electors are educated and informed people. The electors then participate in choosing a President. Nowhere, in the original intent, is the idea that the people of a State vote for a particular candidate then the electors go and vote for that candidate to be President.
(poor 93, so underappreciated and disrespected) and it will be obvious that I don't like Bernie, don't trust Bernie and don't really respect Bernie (there is a very small group of people that fit in the last category). I think he's an arrogant prick who even though he knows it has failed miserably in every other attempt, dreams of leading a soviet style socialist republic. He either thinks that he and a cohort of like-minded intellectual elites can do it better than Lenin, Stalin, Mao, Castro, Chavez, etc. or he doesn't really give a sh!t about the proletariat and just wants to control a centralized economy. So yes, I think he has Stalinistic ambitions. Unfortunately (or fortunately for us), he has Malenkovian abilities.
