Mass shooting at Batman premiere in CO

[CID1990]

Why the CHP? Why don't you carry it in the open so people can see it?

I have the right to do both in Virginia...

Before I left it was the same in NC. In fact you didn't need any kind of permit if the gun was visible.

[D1B]

Why the CHP? Why don't you carry it in the open so people can see it?

I have the right to do both in Virginia...

That's great, but why do you have to conceal? Anyone who feels the need to carry a gun into the grocery store is obviously fearful of attack. Logic would indicate that having a gun visible could deter an attack before it happens, thus saving lives, maybe yours.

[andy7171]

I have the right to do both in Virginia...

That's great, but why do you have to conceal? Anyone who feels the need to carry a gun into the grocery store is obviously fearful of attack. Logic would indicate that having a gun visible could deter an attack before it happens, thus saving lives, maybe yours.

Because it freaks people out. If you want to wear it on your hip, move to West Virginia.

[D1B]

That's great, but why do you have to conceal? Anyone who feels the need to carry a gun into the grocery store is obviously fearful of attack. Logic would indicate that having a gun visible could deter an attack before it happens, thus saving lives, maybe yours.

Because it freaks people out. If you want to wear it on your hip, move to West Virginia.

I think CC primarily shields gun nuts from public revulsion of their lifestyle. If Col Hogan walked into his grand kid's day care center with his Casull 454 in plain view, strapped to his replaced hip, he'd scare everyone. Generally people would avoid him, look at him cautiously or call the police.

Col, I understand and support your right to own a gun, but I think people in the public square have a right to know which nutcases are packing hand canons.

BTW, this is a sweet gun:

[Gil Dobie]

Col, I understand and support your right to own a gun, but I think people in the public square have a right to know which nutcases are packing hand canons.

BTW, this is a sweet gun:

The nutcases show that they are packing, the conceal carry crowd you rarely hear about.

[D1B]

Col, I understand and support your right to own a gun, but I think people in the public square have a right to know which nutcases are packing hand canons.

BTW, this is a sweet gun:

The nutcases show that they are packing, the conceal carry crowd you rarely hear about.

Great, so what? Exactly. They all should show.

CC nutcases are more dangerous.

Mass Shootings by Concealed Handgun Permit Holders in 2009


The gun lobby frequently claims that concealed carry permit holders are the most law-abiding citizens in the Unites States. This might be true in many cases, but it has become apparent that the screening process in most states does little or nothing to stop dangerous individuals from obtaining permits to carry concealed handguns.

There were six confirmed mass shootings by concealed handgun permit holders in 2009 (mass shootings are shootings that involve three or more deaths):

1) Frank Garcia
On Valentine’s Day, 35 year-old Frank Garcia drove into the parking lot of the Lakeside Memorial Hospital parking lot in Brockport, New York, at approximately 5:00 AM. Just four days earlier, he had been fired from his nursing position at the hospital. Garcia spotted Mary Silliman, 23, a former co-worker who was on a break, and physically attacked her. Two individuals who were driving by the hospital at that moment, Randal Norman and Audra Dillion, saw Garcia beating Silliman and stopped to help. When they got out of their car, Garcia opened fire with a .40-caliber Glock pistol, killing Norman and Silliman. Dillion was also shot, but survived her injuries. Garcia then drove 50 miles to Canandaigua, New York, where he went to the home of another former co-worker. There, he shot Kimberly Glatz and her husband Christopher execution-style in front of their 14 year-old daughter and 13 year-old son.

Garcia possessed a permit to carry a concealed handgun in New York. State officials denied his request for a permit three times before granting him one in 2007.

2) Michael McClendon
On March 10, 28 year-old Michael McLendon began a shooting rampage at the house in Coffee County, Alabama, where he lived with his mother. First, he shot and killed her and her four dogs, then laid them around the living room couch, which he soaked with paint thinner and lit on fire. McLendon then got into his car wearing a vest loaded with ammunition and armed with a .38 caliber handgun, a shotgun, and two assault rifles (an SKS and a Bushmaster). He drove to another house where he had lived with his uncle and aunt, James and Phyllis White. The two were sitting on the porch with their daughter, Tracy M. Wise, 34, her son, Dean, 15, and a family that lived across the street: Andrea Myers, 31 (the wife of a local sheriff’s deputy), and her two children, 4-month old Ella and 18-month old Corrine. McLendon’s great aunt, Virginia White, 74, was in a trailer parked in the White’s yard. McLendon exited his vehicle and opened fire on them all, killing everyone but Phyllis White and Ella Myers.

McClendon then killed another man, James Starling, 24, on a nearby street, shooting him in the back as he tried to run away. Rounding the corner, he shot and killed Sonya Smith, 43, outside a convenience store. Two men, Jeffrey Nelson, 50, and Greg McCullough, 49, were shot and injured at the store. McLendon continued on to the town of Geneva with the police were in pursuit. Still spraying fire, he killed motorist Bruce Malloy, 51. The chase ended at Reliable Products, a metals plant where McClendon had once worked. There he engaged in a shootout with law enforcement officers before entering the business, turning a gun on himself, and taking his own life.

During the entire rampage, which lasted approximately 50 minutes, McLendon fired more than 200 rounds, killed 10 innocent people, and wounded six.

McLendon held a permit to carry a concealed handgun which had been issued by the Coffee County Sheriff’s Department.

3) Richard Poplawski
On April 4, 23 year-old Richard Poplawski shot and killed three police officers who were responding to a 911 call at his home in Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania. Poplawski, wearing a bulletproof vest and armed with a shotgun and an AK-47-style assault rifle, ambushed two officers who entered his house. He then managed to hold off police and SWAT team members who responded to the scene for four hours, firing approximately 100 rounds in the process. Poplawski has been charged with three counts of criminal homicide and nine counts of attempted homicide, including the wounding of a policeman who was trying to assist a fallen officer.

POPLAWSKIPoplawski is a White Supremacist with a long and disturbing history of violent behavior. He frequently visited, and posted messages at, the Neo-Nazi website Stormfront.org. Poplawski’s best friend, Edward Perkovic, stated that he “didn't like the Zionists controlling the media and controlling, you know, our freedom of speech.” On November 1, 2008, Poplawski wrote on Stormfront: “A revolutionary is always regarded as a nutcase at first, their ideas dismissed as fantasy ... If a total collapse is what it takes to wake our brethren and guarantee future generations of white children walk this continent, if that is what it takes to restore our freedoms and recapture our land: let it begin this very second and not a moment later.”

Perkovic also reported that Poplawski possessed a permit to carry a concealed handgun in the state of Pennsylvania. "I've seen it. He showed it to me. He said, 'Eddie, get one of these,'" remembers Perkovic. Poplawski also posted on the Pennsylvania Firearm Owners website under the username “RWhiteman” and in one thread complained that the state of Maryland did not recognize his concealed carry permit when he traveled there.

4) George Sodini
On August 4, George Sodini , 48, walked into the LA Fitness Center in Collier, Pennsylvania, wearing workout gear. In his pocket was a .32 semiautomatic handgun. He carried a duffel bag with three more handguns: two 9mm semiautomatic pistols with 30-round clips and a .45 caliber revolver. All told, he was carrying 150 rounds of ammunition. Sodini entered an exercise room where an aerobics class was taking place, turned off the lights, and opened fire, emptying one of the 9mm pistols. He then drew the second 9mm pistol and continued firing. In his last act, Sodini drew the .45 revolver and shot himself in the head. When the smoke cleared, at least 36 rounds had been fired and three women lay dead. Nine other women were wounded in the shooting.

Within minutes of the tragedy becoming national news, a journal that Sodini had posted online was discovered. In it, Sodini provided his name, date of birth, and hometown—and in a series of entries dating back to November 2008 detailed his plans to commit mass murder.

Sodini held a permit to carry a concealed handgun in the state of Pennsylvania.

5) Nidal Malik Hasan
On November 5, Major Nidal Malik Hasan, a licensed Army psychiatrist, walked into the Soldier Readiness Processing Center on Fort Hood military base in Killeen, Texas. After yelling “Allahu akbar,” Hasan, 39, opened fired with a FN Herstal Five-seveN semiautomatic handgun, killing 13 people (12 of them Soldiers) and wounding 34 others before he was shot by military police. Hasan sustained multiple injuries but survived. He will face 13 charges of premeditated murder in a military court. The shooting ranks as the nation's worst ever on a military installation.

Hasan had openly opposed America’s wars in Iraq and Afghanistan and espoused extremist Islamic views. He was being monitored by the FBI-led Joint Terrorism Task Force because of emails he had exchanged with the radical imam Anwar al-Awlaki. The FBI was also investigating whether he was behind violent anti-American comments left on a website under the screen name of "NidalHasan." On two separate occasions, officials from Walter Reed and the Uniformed Services University of the Health Sciences met and expressed concern about Hasan's behavior, which fellow students and faculty had described as "disconnected, aloof, paranoid, belligerent and schizoid."

In March 1996, Hasan obtained a concealed handgun permit in Roanoke County, Virginia, where he lived at the time. The permit was renewed in February 1998. The application for his original permit can be viewed here.

6) Paul Michael Merhige
On Thanksgiving Day, Paul Michael Merhige, 35, sat through three hours of dinner and sing-a-longs with his family in Fort Lauderdale, Florida, before opening fire with a handgun. He shot six family members and killed four: his twin sisters, one of whom was pregnant; a 79 year-old aunt; and his six year-old cousin, Makalya Sitton, who was shot as she lay in bed. As he fired, witnesses heard Merhige say, "I have been waiting 20 years for this."

Merhige bought three guns—two pistols and a semiautomatic rifle—at a South Florida gun shop the day before the shooting. The owner of the shop reported that Merhige had a concealed handgun permit.

In 2006, Merhige's sister Carla (who was killed in the shooting) requested a restraining order against him after he threatened to kill her and himself. She eventually withdrew the request. The U.S. Marshal's Service released a psychological profile of Merhige that indicates he has a history of mental illness and has taken the following medications: Seroquel, an antipsychotic prescribed for bipolar disorder, depression and schizophrenia; Ativan, an anti-anxiety medication; and Atenolol, a beta-blocker used to treat angina and hypertension. Merhige's father said his son once attempted suicide by shooting himself in the chest.

Merhige escaped detection by law enforcement authorities after the murders and is currently a fugitive from justice. He faces four counts of first degree murder and two of attempted murder.


Additionally, terrorist suspect Anes Subasic was able to obtain a concealed handgun permit in his home state of North Carolina. On September 25, authorities apprehended 33-year-old Subasic after a nine-hour search of his home in Holly Springs. Subasic is a Muslim who fled Bosnia during its civil war (later becoming a naturalized U.S. citizen). Along with six others, Subasic was charged with planning violent overseas operations and an attack on the Marine Corps base in Quantico, Virginia.
anes subasic
The Bosnian Serb Republic courts had issued four warrants for Subasic’s arrest, one of which was international. An official with the Bosnian Serb police stated that Subasic “is known to be part of a criminal gang that operated in the wider area of Bosnia and the region.” All told, Bosnian Serb police charged Subasic 11 times on 16 counts of attempted murder, extortion and robbery. A waitress in Banja Luka recalled Subasic entering a restaurant and spraying fire randomly with an automatic weapon. “Whoever knows Anes, they are not surprised [by his recent arrest],” she said.

[Gil Dobie]

The nutcases show that they are packing, the conceal carry crowd you rarely hear about.

Great, so what? Exactly. They all should show.

CC nutcases are more dangerous.

I'm sure you would find a small percent of CC that are nutcases. What percent of all gun related murders does the shooter have a cc permit?

[Gil Dobie]

Great, so what? Exactly. They all should show.

CC nutcases are more dangerous.

I'm sure you would find a small percent of CC that are nutcases. What percent of all gun related murders does the shooter have a cc permit?

The most common crime committed by CC holders is DUI. Not sure if I like a gun in the hands of a drunk.

[Ibanez]

having a watch and a high powered rifle are not the same things. So you have it because you can. Not because you need to defend against the Taliban or the nazis, it's because you can.

I would disagree with your .223 is a high powered rifle comment.

Que?

The drafters of the Constitution knew that they lived in a wilderness, with Indian attacks and Spanish attacks (to a lesser extent) to be a real threat. COuple that with the British seizures, owning a gun was necessary for hunting and safety. In fact, in South Carolina owning a gun was mandatory (even to the point where slaves were armed when they left the plantation. But that was stopped after the Stono Rebellion). As time passes, guns because less and less apart of daily life. We don't need to kill our food like we had to, during the 1700's. I understand owning a handgun, a rifle and a shotgun. But assault rifles? What's the point?

[Col Hogan]

The nutcases show that they are packing, the conceal carry crowd you rarely hear about.

Great, so what? Exactly. They all should show.

CC nutcases are more dangerous.

Mass Shootings by Concealed Handgun Permit Holders in 2009


The gun lobby frequently claims that concealed carry permit holders are the most law-abiding citizens in the Unites States. This might be true in many cases, but it has become apparent that the screening process in most states does little or nothing to stop dangerous individuals from obtaining permits to carry concealed handguns.

There were six confirmed mass shootings by concealed handgun permit holders in 2009 (mass shootings are shootings that involve three or more deaths):

1) Frank Garcia
On Valentine’s Day, 35 year-old Frank Garcia drove into the parking lot of the Lakeside Memorial Hospital parking lot in Brockport, New York, at approximately 5:00 AM. Just four days earlier, he had been fired from his nursing position at the hospital. Garcia spotted Mary Silliman, 23, a former co-worker who was on a break, and physically attacked her. Two individuals who were driving by the hospital at that moment, Randal Norman and Audra Dillion, saw Garcia beating Silliman and stopped to help. When they got out of their car, Garcia opened fire with a .40-caliber Glock pistol, killing Norman and Silliman. Dillion was also shot, but survived her injuries. Garcia then drove 50 miles to Canandaigua, New York, where he went to the home of another former co-worker. There, he shot Kimberly Glatz and her husband Christopher execution-style in front of their 14 year-old daughter and 13 year-old son.

Garcia possessed a permit to carry a concealed handgun in New York. State officials denied his request for a permit three times before granting him one in 2007.

2) Michael McClendon
On March 10, 28 year-old Michael McLendon began a shooting rampage at the house in Coffee County, Alabama, where he lived with his mother. First, he shot and killed her and her four dogs, then laid them around the living room couch, which he soaked with paint thinner and lit on fire. McLendon then got into his car wearing a vest loaded with ammunition and armed with a .38 caliber handgun, a shotgun, and two assault rifles (an SKS and a Bushmaster). He drove to another house where he had lived with his uncle and aunt, James and Phyllis White. The two were sitting on the porch with their daughter, Tracy M. Wise, 34, her son, Dean, 15, and a family that lived across the street: Andrea Myers, 31 (the wife of a local sheriff’s deputy), and her two children, 4-month old Ella and 18-month old Corrine. McLendon’s great aunt, Virginia White, 74, was in a trailer parked in the White’s yard. McLendon exited his vehicle and opened fire on them all, killing everyone but Phyllis White and Ella Myers.

McClendon then killed another man, James Starling, 24, on a nearby street, shooting him in the back as he tried to run away. Rounding the corner, he shot and killed Sonya Smith, 43, outside a convenience store. Two men, Jeffrey Nelson, 50, and Greg McCullough, 49, were shot and injured at the store. McLendon continued on to the town of Geneva with the police were in pursuit. Still spraying fire, he killed motorist Bruce Malloy, 51. The chase ended at Reliable Products, a metals plant where McClendon had once worked. There he engaged in a shootout with law enforcement officers before entering the business, turning a gun on himself, and taking his own life.

During the entire rampage, which lasted approximately 50 minutes, McLendon fired more than 200 rounds, killed 10 innocent people, and wounded six.

McLendon held a permit to carry a concealed handgun which had been issued by the Coffee County Sheriff’s Department.

3) Richard Poplawski
On April 4, 23 year-old Richard Poplawski shot and killed three police officers who were responding to a 911 call at his home in Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania. Poplawski, wearing a bulletproof vest and armed with a shotgun and an AK-47-style assault rifle, ambushed two officers who entered his house. He then managed to hold off police and SWAT team members who responded to the scene for four hours, firing approximately 100 rounds in the process. Poplawski has been charged with three counts of criminal homicide and nine counts of attempted homicide, including the wounding of a policeman who was trying to assist a fallen officer.

POPLAWSKIPoplawski is a White Supremacist with a long and disturbing history of violent behavior. He frequently visited, and posted messages at, the Neo-Nazi website Stormfront.org. Poplawski’s best friend, Edward Perkovic, stated that he “didn't like the Zionists controlling the media and controlling, you know, our freedom of speech.” On November 1, 2008, Poplawski wrote on Stormfront: “A revolutionary is always regarded as a nutcase at first, their ideas dismissed as fantasy ... If a total collapse is what it takes to wake our brethren and guarantee future generations of white children walk this continent, if that is what it takes to restore our freedoms and recapture our land: let it begin this very second and not a moment later.”

Perkovic also reported that Poplawski possessed a permit to carry a concealed handgun in the state of Pennsylvania. "I've seen it. He showed it to me. He said, 'Eddie, get one of these,'" remembers Perkovic. Poplawski also posted on the Pennsylvania Firearm Owners website under the username “RWhiteman” and in one thread complained that the state of Maryland did not recognize his concealed carry permit when he traveled there.

4) George Sodini
On August 4, George Sodini , 48, walked into the LA Fitness Center in Collier, Pennsylvania, wearing workout gear. In his pocket was a .32 semiautomatic handgun. He carried a duffel bag with three more handguns: two 9mm semiautomatic pistols with 30-round clips and a .45 caliber revolver. All told, he was carrying 150 rounds of ammunition. Sodini entered an exercise room where an aerobics class was taking place, turned off the lights, and opened fire, emptying one of the 9mm pistols. He then drew the second 9mm pistol and continued firing. In his last act, Sodini drew the .45 revolver and shot himself in the head. When the smoke cleared, at least 36 rounds had been fired and three women lay dead. Nine other women were wounded in the shooting.

Within minutes of the tragedy becoming national news, a journal that Sodini had posted online was discovered. In it, Sodini provided his name, date of birth, and hometown—and in a series of entries dating back to November 2008 detailed his plans to commit mass murder.

Sodini held a permit to carry a concealed handgun in the state of Pennsylvania.

5) Nidal Malik Hasan
On November 5, Major Nidal Malik Hasan, a licensed Army psychiatrist, walked into the Soldier Readiness Processing Center on Fort Hood military base in Killeen, Texas. After yelling “Allahu akbar,” Hasan, 39, opened fired with a FN Herstal Five-seveN semiautomatic handgun, killing 13 people (12 of them Soldiers) and wounding 34 others before he was shot by military police. Hasan sustained multiple injuries but survived. He will face 13 charges of premeditated murder in a military court. The shooting ranks as the nation's worst ever on a military installation.

Hasan had openly opposed America’s wars in Iraq and Afghanistan and espoused extremist Islamic views. He was being monitored by the FBI-led Joint Terrorism Task Force because of emails he had exchanged with the radical imam Anwar al-Awlaki. The FBI was also investigating whether he was behind violent anti-American comments left on a website under the screen name of "NidalHasan." On two separate occasions, officials from Walter Reed and the Uniformed Services University of the Health Sciences met and expressed concern about Hasan's behavior, which fellow students and faculty had described as "disconnected, aloof, paranoid, belligerent and schizoid."

In March 1996, Hasan obtained a concealed handgun permit in Roanoke County, Virginia, where he lived at the time. The permit was renewed in February 1998. The application for his original permit can be viewed here.

6) Paul Michael Merhige
On Thanksgiving Day, Paul Michael Merhige, 35, sat through three hours of dinner and sing-a-longs with his family in Fort Lauderdale, Florida, before opening fire with a handgun. He shot six family members and killed four: his twin sisters, one of whom was pregnant; a 79 year-old aunt; and his six year-old cousin, Makalya Sitton, who was shot as she lay in bed. As he fired, witnesses heard Merhige say, "I have been waiting 20 years for this."

Merhige bought three guns—two pistols and a semiautomatic rifle—at a South Florida gun shop the day before the shooting. The owner of the shop reported that Merhige had a concealed handgun permit.

In 2006, Merhige's sister Carla (who was killed in the shooting) requested a restraining order against him after he threatened to kill her and himself. She eventually withdrew the request. The U.S. Marshal's Service released a psychological profile of Merhige that indicates he has a history of mental illness and has taken the following medications: Seroquel, an antipsychotic prescribed for bipolar disorder, depression and schizophrenia; Ativan, an anti-anxiety medication; and Atenolol, a beta-blocker used to treat angina and hypertension. Merhige's father said his son once attempted suicide by shooting himself in the chest.

Merhige escaped detection by law enforcement authorities after the murders and is currently a fugitive from justice. He faces four counts of first degree murder and two of attempted murder.


Additionally, terrorist suspect Anes Subasic was able to obtain a concealed handgun permit in his home state of North Carolina. On September 25, authorities apprehended 33-year-old Subasic after a nine-hour search of his home in Holly Springs. Subasic is a Muslim who fled Bosnia during its civil war (later becoming a naturalized U.S. citizen). Along with six others, Subasic was charged with planning violent overseas operations and an attack on the Marine Corps base in Quantico, Virginia.
anes subasic
The Bosnian Serb Republic courts had issued four warrants for Subasic’s arrest, one of which was international. An official with the Bosnian Serb police stated that Subasic “is known to be part of a criminal gang that operated in the wider area of Bosnia and the region.” All told, Bosnian Serb police charged Subasic 11 times on 16 counts of attempted murder, extortion and robbery. A waitress in Banja Luka recalled Subasic entering a restaurant and spraying fire randomly with an automatic weapon. “Whoever knows Anes, they are not surprised [by his recent arrest],” she said.

Great Brady Bunch pull...6 people... 6 out of hundreds of thousands...

FAIL/

[YoUDeeMan]

We are not talking MP5's or FN P-90's here.

Holy shit! I just googled P-90. Those look fucking awesome!

The P90X is much better...AZ could probably hook you up with a gently used one for a pretty good price.

[Grizalltheway]

Holy shit! I just googled P-90. Those look fucking awesome!

The P90X is much better...AZ could probably hook you up with a gently used one for a pretty good price.

Buuuuuuuuurn.

[grizzaholic]

I would disagree with your .223 is a high powered rifle comment.

Que?

The drafters of the Constitution knew that they lived in a wilderness, with Indian attacks and Spanish attacks (to a lesser extent) to be a real threat. COuple that with the British seizures, owning a gun was necessary for hunting and safety. In fact, in South Carolina owning a gun was mandatory (even to the point where slaves were armed when they left the plantation. But that was stopped after the Stono Rebellion). As time passes, guns because less and less apart of daily life. We don't need to kill our food like we had to, during the 1700's. I understand owning a handgun, a rifle and a shotgun. But assault rifles? What's the point?

Jebus. AR's are NOT assault weapons. They don't have selector switches for semi/full auto. Because they look like military, you know what....forget it. Keep perpetuating the stereotype for the sheep.

[Ibanez]

Que?

The drafters of the Constitution knew that they lived in a wilderness, with Indian attacks and Spanish attacks (to a lesser extent) to be a real threat. COuple that with the British seizures, owning a gun was necessary for hunting and safety. In fact, in South Carolina owning a gun was mandatory (even to the point where slaves were armed when they left the plantation. But that was stopped after the Stono Rebellion). As time passes, guns because less and less apart of daily life. We don't need to kill our food like we had to, during the 1700's. I understand owning a handgun, a rifle and a shotgun. But assault rifles? What's the point?

Jebus. AR's are NOT assault weapons. They don't have selector switches for semi/full auto. Because they look like military, you know what....forget it. Keep perpetuating the stereotype for the sheep.

did u say the AR was? I said Assault rifle. I don't know much about guns.

I do know a few people with Ak's an M16s. Prior military people.

[grizzaholic]

Jebus. AR's are NOT assault weapons. They don't have selector switches for semi/full auto. Because they look like military, you know what....forget it. Keep perpetuating the stereotype for the sheep.

did u say the AR was? I said Assault rifle. I don't know much about guns.

I do know a few people with Ak's an M16s. Prior military people.

Ok. Last post on this topic.

AR/M16/AK47 are not assault weapons. PEROID.

I am not mad, or being an AZGrizFan, but this has got to stop.

[Gil Dobie]

Timberwolves signed AK 47 today

$10 million for 2 years.

[houndawg]

Que?

The drafters of the Constitution knew that they lived in a wilderness, with Indian attacks and Spanish attacks (to a lesser extent) to be a real threat. COuple that with the British seizures, owning a gun was necessary for hunting and safety. In fact, in South Carolina owning a gun was mandatory (even to the point where slaves were armed when they left the plantation. But that was stopped after the Stono Rebellion). As time passes, guns because less and less apart of daily life. We don't need to kill our food like we had to, during the 1700's. I understand owning a handgun, a rifle and a shotgun. But assault rifles? What's the point?

Jebus. AR's are NOT assault weapons. They don't have selector switches for semi/full auto. Because they look like military, you know what....forget it. Keep perpetuating the stereotype for the sheep.

Easily convertible to full auto. Instructions all over the web.

[Col Hogan]

Jebus. AR's are NOT assault weapons. They don't have selector switches for semi/full auto. Because they look like military, you know what....forget it. Keep perpetuating the stereotype for the sheep.

Easily convertible to full auto. Instructions all over the web.

B.S.

[houndawg]

Easily convertible to full auto. Instructions all over the web.

B.S.

pre 86, drop in auto sear

[BlueHen86]

B.S.

pre 86, drop in auto sear

Leave me out of this.

[Col Hogan]

B.S.

pre 86, drop in auto sear

You make it seem like any AR is easily convert able...why not admit that a very small number can be converted by someone willing to risk the legal issues...

The vast majority are not "easily converted"...

:SMFH:

[Ibanez]

did u say the AR was? I said Assault rifle. I don't know much about guns.

I do know a few people with Ak's an M16s. Prior military people.

Ok. Last post on this topic.

AR/M16/AK47 are not assault weapons. PEROID.

I am not mad, or being an AZGrizFan, but this has got to stop.

I thought M16s were Assault Rifles. Does the AR in AR 15 not stand for Assault Rifle? I'm confused. The AK and M16 are fully automatic. I do t know about the AR but I think you may be mistaken.. I used to PM a project that provided M16 ammo.

[grizzaholic]

Ok. Last post on this topic.

AR/M16/AK47 are not assault weapons. PEROID.

I am not mad, or being an AZGrizFan, but this has got to stop.

I thought M16s were Assault Rifles. Does the AR in AR 15 not stand for Assault Rifle? I'm confused. The AK and M16 are fully automatic. I do t know about the AR but I think you may be mistaken.. I used to PM a project that provided M16 ammo.

I am done. This is why I pay others to educate others because it drives me crazy.

[Ibanez]

So, how are well known, fully automatic weapons such as the AK or M16 not assault rifles? Grizza, I know you know your stuff, but some online research reveals that they are Assault Rifles. Rifles are weapons. Ergo, they are assault weapons. They have selector switches, safe-sem-auto or Safe-semi-burst.

So explain to me how they aren't. Educate me since the US Army Field Manual is wrong.

[Pwns]

Assault rifles are whatever Diane Feinstein and the Brady Campaign SAY they are.