Election 2016: Trump vs Clinton

[houndawg]

Depends on how many times I pull the lever...

Illinois Democrats

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Registered Independent since '72, bro.

[UNI88]

Illinois Democrats

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Registered Independent since '72, bro.

Independent? Independents and people with functioning brain stems don't get to vote in Illinois.

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[houndawg]

Registered Independent since '72, bro.

Independent? Independents and people with functioning brain stems don't get to vote in Illinois.

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I used a donk ballot to vote for the Bern.

[BDKJMU]

Stein hammers Clinton over e-mails & Clinton Foundation. Something Bernie was too much of a pussy to do..
http://www.cnn.com/2016/08/15/politics/ ... index.html

[JohnStOnge]

Stein hammers Clinton over e-mails & Clinton Foundation. Something Bernie was too much of a pussy to do..
http://www.cnn.com/2016/08/15/politics/ ... index.html

I really doubt that a " highest level of state secrets" thing was involved with Clinton's use of a private server. In fact my guess is that if people could see the kinds of stuff she was e mailing about through that system most would ask, "What's the big deal?"

[TheDancinMonarch]

Stein hammers Clinton over e-mails & Clinton Foundation. Something Bernie was too much of a pussy to do..
http://www.cnn.com/2016/08/15/politics/ ... index.html

I really doubt that a " highest level of state secrets" thing was involved with Clinton's use of a private server. In fact my guess is that if people could see the kinds of stuff she was e mailing about through that system most would ask, "What's the big deal?"

If she were as transparent as she should have been then we would see what was there and who knows you might be right. But generally the only reason to hide something is when there is something to hide.

[BDKJMU]

Trump gives 45+ min foreign policy & terrorism speech at YSU:
[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LoceaAO1Oo0[/youtube]


Cliff notes:
-2009 when BHO took office Libya & Syria were under control, Egypt was ruled by a secular President & ally of the US, Iraq was experiencing a reduction in violence, Iran was being choked off by economic sanctions. Laid out how Libya & Syria & Iraq are now a disaster. Hammers Obama and Clinton's foreign policy.
-Was against the Iraq war from the beginning.
-Obama & Clinton shouldn't have pushed for regime change in Libya, Syria & Egypt.
-We should have kept the Iraqi oil. CNN states ISIS made 500 million on sales of Iraq oil in 2014 alone to fund its terrorism. Could have prevented the rise of ISIS in Iraq & used funds to help the wounded vets & families of the deceased. Used to be when US won a war, to the victor goes the spoils. All we got from Iraq & misadventures in Mid East Middle was death, destruction, tremendous financial loss

-Mentions Ft Hood, Boston, Chattanooga, San Bernadino, Orlando, all the recent terrorist attacks in Europe since 2015..

-Military, cyber and financial, ideological warfare to fight Islamic terrorism.

-Review by the U.S. Senate Immigration Subcommittee has identified 380 foreign-born individuals charged with terrorism or terrorism- related offenses between 9/11 and 2014, many more since.

-We admit about 100,000 permanent immigrants from the Middle East every year hundreds of thousands more on temp visa. Don’t control the numbers, can’t perform adequate screening.

-Claims Clinton wants to increase the flow of Syrian refugees by 550% percent. Senate Subcommittee on Immigration estimates "Clinton’s plan would mean roughly 620,000 refugees from all current refugee-sending nations in her first term, assuming no cuts to other refugee programs. This would be additional to all other non- refugee immigration" & "her plan would impose a lifetime cost of roughly $400 billion when you include the costs of healthcare, welfare, housing, schooling, and all other entitlement benefits that are excluded from the State Department’s placement figures."

-Clinton wants to be America’s Angela Merkel,

-9/11 hijackers had fraud all over their visa applications.
-The Russians warned us about the Boston Bombers, here on political asylum, who were twice interviewed by the FBI.
-Female San Bernardino shooter, on a fiancé visa from Saudi Arabia, wrote of her support for Jihad online. Neighbor saw suspicious behavior but didn’t warn authorities, claiming they didn’t want to be accused of racially profiling.
-Shooter in Orlando reportedly celebrated in his classroom after 9/11. Was also interviewed by the FBI. His father, a native of Afghanistan, supported the Taliban & expressed anti-American views. His smiling face was seen right behind Clinton on one of her recent speeches.
-Ft. Hood Shooter showed numerous red flags that were ignored due to PC.

-This final one is really going to tie the left into knots. Immigrants to be quizzed on whether they believe in gay rights, gender equality and religious freedom under Trump's new anti-ISIS plan.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... quate.html

[houndawg]

Trump gives 45+ min foreign policy & terrorism speech at YSU:
[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LoceaAO1Oo0[/youtube]


Cliff notes:
-2009 when BHO took office Libya & Syria were under control, Egypt was ruled by a secular President & ally of the US, Iraq was experiencing a reduction in violence, Iran was being choked off by economic sanctions. Laid out how Libya & Syria & Iraq are now a disaster. Hammers Obama and Clinton's foreign policy.
-Was against the Iraq war from the beginning.
-Obama & Clinton shouldn't have pushed for regime change in Libya, Syria & Egypt.
-We should have kept the Iraqi oil. CNN states ISIS made 500 million on sales of Iraq oil in 2014 alone to fund its terrorism. Could have prevented the rise of ISIS in Iraq & used funds to help the wounded vets & families of the deceased. Used to be when US won a war, to the victor goes the spoils. All we got from Iraq & misadventures in Mid East Middle was death, destruction, tremendous financial loss

-Mentions Ft Hood, Boston, Chattanooga, San Bernadino, Orlando, all the recent terrorist attacks in Europe since 2015..

-Military, cyber and financial, ideological warfare to fight Islamic terrorism.

-Review by the U.S. Senate Immigration Subcommittee has identified 380 foreign-born individuals charged with terrorism or terrorism- related offenses between 9/11 and 2014, many more since.

-We admit about 100,000 permanent immigrants from the Middle East every year hundreds of thousands more on temp visa. Don’t control the numbers, can’t perform adequate screening.

-Claims Clinton wants to increase the flow of Syrian refugees by 550% percent. Senate Subcommittee on Immigration estimates "Clinton’s plan would mean roughly 620,000 refugees from all current refugee-sending nations in her first term, assuming no cuts to other refugee programs. This would be additional to all other non- refugee immigration" & "her plan would impose a lifetime cost of roughly $400 billion when you include the costs of healthcare, welfare, housing, schooling, and all other entitlement benefits that are excluded from the State Department’s placement figures."

-Clinton wants to be America’s Angela Merkel,

-9/11 hijackers had fraud all over their visa applications.
-The Russians warned us about the Boston Bombers, here on political asylum, who were twice interviewed by the FBI.
-Female San Bernardino shooter, on a fiancé visa from Saudi Arabia, wrote of her support for Jihad online. Neighbor saw suspicious behavior but didn’t warn authorities, claiming they didn’t want to be accused of racially profiling.
-Shooter in Orlando reportedly celebrated in his classroom after 9/11. Was also interviewed by the FBI. His father, a native of Afghanistan, supported the Taliban & expressed anti-American views. His smiling face was seen right behind Clinton on one of her recent speeches.
-Ft. Hood Shooter showed numerous red flags that were ignored due to PC.

-This final one is really going to tie the left into knots. Immigrants to be quizzed on whether they believe in gay rights, gender equality and religious freedom under Trump's new anti-ISIS plan.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... quate.html

The beating Trump is going to receive from Hillary will make the Trump brand a planet-wide laughingstock.

[93henfan]

Landslide Hillary falls back to the pack once again:

http://graphics.latimes.com/usc-preside ... -dashboard

[SDHornet]

Landslide Hillary falls back to the pack once again:

http://graphics.latimes.com/usc-preside ... -dashboard

hilldog up 6 in the realclearpolitics 4 way poll.

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls ... -5952.html

[Ibanez]

Landslide Hillary falls back to the pack once again:

http://graphics.latimes.com/usc-preside ... -dashboard

hilldog up 6 in the realclearpolitics 4 way poll.

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls ... -5952.html

Is that the same polling that shows Trump +11 in Indiana(maybe Illinois)?

[SDHornet]

hilldog up 6 in the realclearpolitics 4 way poll.

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls ... -5952.html

Is that the same polling that shows Trump +11 in Indiana(maybe Illinois)?

No idea.

[89Hen]

No mention of the Green Party Town Hall from last night?

[93henfan]

No mention of the Green Party Town Hall from last night?

Who?

[89Hen]

No mention of the Green Party Town Hall from last night?

Who?

Clitzang's girlfriend.

[Ibanez]

Is that the same polling that shows Trump +11 in Indiana(maybe Illinois)?

No idea.

Oh.

[Ibanez]

The Battleground states.

Ohio

“In the last four elections, from 2000 to 2012, the average margin of victory has been just over 3 percent, which is just about 178,000 votes,” said Dan Birdsong, lecturer in the Political Science Department at the University of Dayton.

North Carolina’s 15 Electoral College votes went to Mitt Romney in 2012 and to Barack Obama in 2008 — both very narrow victories. Greene says North Carolina remains a 50-50 state, despite solid Republican control of state politics for most of this decade.

“Republicans were very successful in (in 2010),” said Green. “They were able to take that success and gerrymander themselves into a bunch of safe districts that have allowed them to essentially take over state-level politics, despite the fact that … the voters in this state are still very much divided 50-50.”

Pennsylvania is also a highly partisan state, with only about 20 percent of its 2012 voters considered independents. That was the lowest percentage of all the 2012 swing states.

In the same year, Pennsylvania had the highest percentage of registered Democrats (45 percent) and Republicans (35 percent).

Florida is Crucial for Hillary Clinton. Absolutely vital for Donald Trump. Florida is always a battleground state. When you define what is a battleground state — or a swing state — first of all, that state usually votes with the winning candidate nationwide. Florida has done that every year since 1964, with the exception of one.”

Also, victories in Florida have been razor-thin. George W. Bush won in 2004 with 52.1 percent of the Sunshine State’s vote — and that’s been the largest margin of victory since 1996. And, unbeknownst to a lot of people outside of our state, this is no longer just an elder state. The millennials plus the Gen-X’ers now make up around 47 percent of Florida’s registered voters. It’s a very different electorate out there … than people outside of Florida know.”

http://wtop.com/presidential-election/2 ... y/slide/1/


I think it's a tough road for Trump. He HAS to win the rust belt and Florida. It's not enough to win traditional red states. He has to win battlegrounds and flip a couple (like Pennsylvania).

[SDHornet]

I expect hilldog to roll to a "considerable" margin of victory in FL. Trump did everything possible to alienate the Brown vote, and hilldog will reap the rewards.

[HI54UNI]

I got polled last night. Some poor Indian lady that couldn't say half the words on her script. Tried to find out who they were polling for but she didn't know or couldn't tell me. It seemed like it was something tied to Hilldog because a couple of the questions were kind of push poll type things for her.

Oh and I'm a 35 year old moderate Hispanic registered as an independent that's backing Trump.

And Hilldog is really working the woman thing. My wife is generally apolitical but is registered as a Republican so she can vote in the primaries for some of our local offices. She keeps getting shit in the mail from Hilldog. I told her we need to send one of the things back so they keep wasting money sending her stuff. She doesn't even want it to come in the mail because she can't stand Hilldog.

[89Hen]

I got polled last night.

Did you at least get dinner first?

[CAA Flagship]

Trump just gave his best speech yet.

[CID1990]

Stein hammers Clinton over e-mails & Clinton Foundation. Something Bernie was too much of a pussy to do..
http://www.cnn.com/2016/08/15/politics/ ... index.html

I really doubt that a " highest level of state secrets" thing was involved with Clinton's use of a private server. In fact my guess is that if people could see the kinds of stuff she was e mailing about through that system most would ask, "What's the big deal?"

And you would be incorrect.

There are emails that were retained by DoJ that cannot be released even in part because they contain SCI.

YOU may not think that is a "big deal" but there is a reason those boring non-Jason Bourne items are so highly classified

[Ibanez]

Stein hammers Clinton over e-mails & Clinton Foundation. Something Bernie was too much of a pussy to do..
http://www.cnn.com/2016/08/15/politics/ ... index.html

I really doubt that a " highest level of state secrets" thing was involved with Clinton's use of a private server. In fact my guess is that if people could see the kinds of stuff she was e mailing about through that system most would ask, "What's the big deal?"

It's incredible how clueless you are. What is so difficult to understand, the SoS used her own email server to house government communications. That's a no-no (if you're anyone other than Clinton).

[Ibanez]

Did any of you catch Trumps speech yesterday? Pretty damn good.

The establishment media doesn’t cover what really matters in this country, or what’s really going on in people’s lives. They will take words of mine out of context and spend a week obsessing over every single syllable, and then pretend to discover some hidden meaning in what I said.

Just imagine for a second if the media spent this energy holding the politicians accountable who got innocent Americans like Kate Steinle killed – she was gunned down by an illegal immigrant who had been deported five times.

Just imagine if the media spent this much time investigating the poverty and joblessness in our inner cities.

Just think about how much different things would be if the media in this country sent their cameras to our border, or to our closing factories, or to our failing schools. Or if the media focused on what dark secrets must be hidden in the 33,000 emails Hillary Clinton deleted.

Instead, every story is told from the perspective of the insiders. It’s the narrative of the people who rigged the system, never the voice of the people it’s been rigged against.

So many people suffering in silence. No cameras, no coverage, no outrage from a media class that seems to get outraged over just about everything else.

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/ ... annon.html

[Ibanez]

On terrorism, we are going to end the era of nation-building and instead focus on destroying ISIS and Radical Islamic terrorism.

We will use military, cyber and financial warfare and work with any partner in the world, and the Middle East, that shares our goal of defeating terrorism. I have a message for the terrorists trying to kill our citizens: we will find you, we will destroy you, and we will win.

On immigration, we will temporarily suspend immigration from any place where adequate screening cannot be performed. All applicants for immigration will be vetted for ties to radical ideology, and we will screen out anyone who doesn’t share our values and love our people. Anyone who believes Sharia law supplants American law will not be given an immigrant visa. If you want to join our society, then you must embrace our society, our values and our tolerant way of life. Those who believe in oppressing women, gays, Hispanics, African-Americans and people of different faiths are not welcome to join our country.

Well said!

On trade, we are going to renegotiate NAFTA, withdraw from the TPP, stand up to China on our terrible trade agreement, and protect every last American job.

On taxes, we are going to massively cut tax rates for workers and small businesses – creating millions of new good paying jobs.

We are going to get rid of regulations that send jobs overseas and we are going to make it easier for young Americans to get the credit they need to start a small business and pursue their dreams.

On education, we are going to give students choice, and allow charter schools to thrive. We are going to end tenure policies that reward bad teachers and hurt good ones. My opponent wants to deny students choice and opportunity, all to get a little bit more money from the education bureaucracy. She doesn’t care how many young dreams are dashed in the process.

We are going to work closely with African-American parents and students in the inner cities – and what a big difference that will make. This means a lot to me, and it is going to be a top priority in a Trump Administration.

On healthcare, we are going to repeal and replace Obamacare. Countless Americans have been forced into part-time jobs, premiums are about to jump by double-digits yet again, and just this week Aetna announced it is pulling out of the exchanges in North Carolina. We are going to replace this disaster with reforms that give you choice and freedom and control in healthcare – at a much lower cost.

What do you have to lose by trying something new? – I will fix it. This means so much to me, and I will work as hard as I can to bring new opportunity to places in our country which have not known opportunity in a very long time.

Hillary Clinton and the Democratic Party have taken African-American votes totally for granted. Because the votes have been automatically there, there has been no reason for Democrats to produce.

God-dang. Trump actually gave a political speech.