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CID1990 wrote:
Ibanez wrote: :ohno: What a doofus.
The only doofus is the one who posted this absolute horsesh!te:

"Possibly of Viking descent, it is thought that the Kerrs arrived in Britain from Normandy with William the Conqueror in 1066."

There is only one clan of Viking and Pictish descent and that's Gunn.

How the fvck does a clan claim Viking descent AND ALSO land with William from Normandy in 1066? Did they have a fvcking CHUNNEL back then? The Kerrs shat themselves out onto the Norman plains after having been bitched by the Vikings 1000 miles away?

I hope you didn't pay some shyster in a kilt at the Charleston Scottish games for that Nigerian scam.
You may want to study the history of the Normans as well as the idea behind traditions and family lore. It's clear you are talking out of your ass. I'm positive professional historians know more than you.


I've never been to the Scottish games ( this weekend, btw). I refuse to drive out to Boone Hall.
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Ibanez wrote:
CID1990 wrote:
The only doofus is the one who posted this absolute horsesh!te:

"Possibly of Viking descent, it is thought that the Kerrs arrived in Britain from Normandy with William the Conqueror in 1066."

There is only one clan of Viking and Pictish descent and that's Gunn.

How the fvck does a clan claim Viking descent AND ALSO land with William from Normandy in 1066? Did they have a fvcking CHUNNEL back then? The Kerrs shat themselves out onto the Norman plains after having been bitched by the Vikings 1000 miles away?

I hope you didn't pay some shyster in a kilt at the Charleston Scottish games for that Nigerian scam.
You may want to study the history of the Normans. It's clear you are talking out of your ass. I'm positive professional historians know more than you.
I'm positive that your "history" of the Kerrs can be found on a super duper commemorative placemat sold by Everything Crap er I mean Everything Scottish with a 400 lb authentic Scot in a 9 yard kilt at the highland games.

Kerrs aren't Viking descended, Ibanez.

And highland clans didnt land with William.

The reality is that every single lowland clan lays claim to noble origin through the Normans, and several also claim Norse origin. It is a romantic fantasy.

But don't be dismayed- Kerr, like the rest of the lowland clans- are Celtic clans and that is nothing to be ashamed of. These clan societies need to stop perpetuating this bullshit about nordic origin. There is only one Nordic clan. There are exactly ZERO Scottish clans that landed with William. I guarantee you that I am as versed on this as any clan "historian".
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CID1990 wrote:
Ibanez wrote:
You may want to study the history of the Normans. It's clear you are talking out of your ass. I'm positive professional historians know more than you.
I'm positive that your "history" of the Kerrs can be found on a super duper commemorative placemat sold by Everything Crap er I mean Everything Scottish with a 400 lb authentic Scot in a 9 yard kilt at the highland games.

Kerrs aren't Viking descended, Ibanez.

And highland clans didnt land with William.

The reality is that every single lowland clan lays claim to noble origin through the Normans, and several also claim Norse origin. It is a romantic fantasy.

But don't be dismayed- Kerr, like the rest of the lowland clans- are Celtic clans and that is nothing to be ashamed of. These clan societies need to stop perpetuating this bullshit about nordic origin. There is only one Nordic clan. There are exactly ZERO Scottish clans that landed with William. I guarantee you that I am as versed on this as any clan "historian".
And I'm positive that you know absolutely nothing about clan. No one is claiming a Scottish clan landed with the Normans. The Norman invasion is (as tradition) one explanation of how people got to England and then Scotland. It's painstakingly obvious you read "are thougt to have..." As a statement of fact. for you to be so arrogant about this is alarming. Please, tell use how you've studied every clan of Scotland. Please tell us how the scientist that have conducted DNA test on my brothers and I not only show that our DNA matches 67% Ireland (to include Scotland) but also 15% Scandinavia (Sweden actually where you can still find Kerrs) are wrong.

As to your highland comment, being that Midlothian is lowland I have no clue what you're getting at. Unless you have a problem with he Faulkner side of my family. However, I don't know much about them other than where they lived (which was in the highlands.)

I eagerly await your research of my blood and family history. I've researched and documented my family for about 12 yrs now.


But, you know all. You tell me. I suggest you comprehend what you're reading before you continue to make yourself look like an ass. I'll refrain from making erroneous assumptions about you. You know, because we don't know a fucking thing about one another.
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Can't we all just drink some Lagavulin and get along? :(
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Grizalltheway wrote:Can't we all just drink some Lagavulin and get along? :(
I'm sure I can. I don't take too much personal but to assume you know something about a persons family when you don't, is irritating. Especially when I've spent a lot time tracing my ancestry which includes debunking a few ridiculous family legends.


I'll drink some tomorrow. I have an early meeting that is ruining my work from home day.
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Ibanez wrote:
CID1990 wrote:
I'm positive that your "history" of the Kerrs can be found on a super duper commemorative placemat sold by Everything Crap er I mean Everything Scottish with a 400 lb authentic Scot in a 9 yard kilt at the highland games.

Kerrs aren't Viking descended, Ibanez.

And highland clans didnt land with William.

The reality is that every single lowland clan lays claim to noble origin through the Normans, and several also claim Norse origin. It is a romantic fantasy.

But don't be dismayed- Kerr, like the rest of the lowland clans- are Celtic clans and that is nothing to be ashamed of. These clan societies need to stop perpetuating this bullshit about nordic origin. There is only one Nordic clan. There are exactly ZERO Scottish clans that landed with William. I guarantee you that I am as versed on this as any clan "historian".
And I'm positive that you know absolutely nothing about clan. No one is claiming a Scottish clan landed with the Normans. The Norman invasion is (as tradition) one explanation of how people got to England and then Scotland. It's painstakingly obvious you read "are thougt to have..." As a statement of fact. for you to be so arrogant about this is alarming. Please, tell use how you've studied every clan of Scotland. Please tell us how the scientist that have conducted DNA test on my brothers and I not only show that our DNA matches 67% Ireland (to include Scotland) but also 15% Scandinavia (Sweden actually where you can still find Kerrs) are wrong.

As to your highland comment, being that Midlothian is lowland I have no clue what you're getting at. Unless you have a problem with he Faulkner side of my family. However, I don't know much about them other than where they lived (which was in the highlands.)

I eagerly await your research of my blood and family history. I've researched and documented my family for about 12 yrs now.


But, you know all. You tell me. I suggest you comprehend what you're reading before you continue to make yourself look like an ass. I'll refrain from making erroneous assumptions about you. You know, because we don't know a **** thing about one another.
The Kerrs are a Celtic clan, Ibanez.

EVERY Scot in the world has a certain percentage of Nordic DNA. I won't go into the ling drawn out post that would be required to explain it.

I said highland because only ONE Scottish clan can actually claim Norwegian heritage, and that clan us a highland one.

The lowland clans are all heavily represented at highland gatherings and they ALL have fanciful tales about their noble birthrights- as do most all of the clans- to cover up the fact that they were mostly brutes and cattle thieves.

You're a smart feller- you tell ME how your DNA supports what you are saying and NOT what I am saying- that Clan Kerr is a Celtic clan with no familial ties to France. You said it yourself- 67% Ireland- that's almost a complete match with every single other lowland clan as they all descend from the Scotti who made up part of the Dalriadic kingdom near Oban around 600 AD.

Dont fall for that clan history crap, or the paternal DNA surname projects (which tell us a whole lot of nothing- Ive been down that road too). If you want a reading list that isnt full of bullshit let me know.

Im sorry if I came across harshly at first- thats a product of a couple wee drams tonight, as well as 30 years of listening to fakes peddling this clan history crap to information starved audiences here in the US. The reality may not be as exotic but it is just as proud.
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CID1990 wrote:
Ibanez wrote:
And I'm positive that you know absolutely nothing about clan. No one is claiming a Scottish clan landed with the Normans. The Norman invasion is (as tradition) one explanation of how people got to England and then Scotland. It's painstakingly obvious you read "are thougt to have..." As a statement of fact. for you to be so arrogant about this is alarming. Please, tell use how you've studied every clan of Scotland. Please tell us how the scientist that have conducted DNA test on my brothers and I not only show that our DNA matches 67% Ireland (to include Scotland) but also 15% Scandinavia (Sweden actually where you can still find Kerrs) are wrong.

As to your highland comment, being that Midlothian is lowland I have no clue what you're getting at. Unless you have a problem with he Faulkner side of my family. However, I don't know much about them other than where they lived (which was in the highlands.)

I eagerly await your research of my blood and family history. I've researched and documented my family for about 12 yrs now.


But, you know all. You tell me. I suggest you comprehend what you're reading before you continue to make yourself look like an ass. I'll refrain from making erroneous assumptions about you. You know, because we don't know a **** thing about one another.
The Kerrs are a Celtic clan, Ibanez.

EVERY Scot in the world has a certain percentage of Nordic DNA. I won't go into the ling drawn out post that would be required to explain it.

I said highland because only ONE Scottish clan can actually claim Norwegian heritage, and that clan us a highland one.

The lowland clans are all heavily represented at highland gatherings and they ALL have fanciful tales about their noble birthrights- as do most all of the clans- to cover up the fact that they were mostly brutes and cattle thieves.

You're a smart feller- you tell ME how your DNA supports what you are saying and NOT what I am saying- that Clan Kerr is a Celtic clan with no familial ties to France. You said it yourself- 67% Ireland- that's almost a complete match with every single other lowland clan as they all descend from the Scotti who made up part of the Dalriadic kingdom near Oban around 600 AD.

Dont fall for that clan history crap, or the paternal DNA surname projects (which tell us a whole lot of nothing- Ive been down that road too). If you want a reading list that isnt full of bullshit let me know.

Im sorry if I came across harshly at first- thats a product of a couple wee drams tonight, as well as 30 years of listening to fakes peddling this clan history crap to information starved audiences here in the US. The reality may not be as exotic but it is just as proud.
Kerrs were notorious thieves. Too many people romanticize their ancestry. We were border raiders that fueded with other clans and even with ourselves. We're Celtic people no doubt. The name comes from Norse family but Did we arrive via the Norman invasion or Via raiding parties. We don't know. Too many people in my family peddle the romantic versions when, with the sources available, can't be proven. The DNa testing is quite accurate and gives a great guide. Did they come over in 1066?who knows. It's a nice story but as the family history says, it's the current thinking. The same goes with my French heritage. I heard stories all my life how some nuns researched the family and discovered we're related t Napoleon. It's all a lie, but it's a nice story.
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CID1990 wrote:
Ibanez wrote:
And I'm positive that you know absolutely nothing about clan. No one is claiming a Scottish clan landed with the Normans. The Norman invasion is (as tradition) one explanation of how people got to England and then Scotland. It's painstakingly obvious you read "are thougt to have..." As a statement of fact. for you to be so arrogant about this is alarming. Please, tell use how you've studied every clan of Scotland. Please tell us how the scientist that have conducted DNA test on my brothers and I not only show that our DNA matches 67% Ireland (to include Scotland) but also 15% Scandinavia (Sweden actually where you can still find Kerrs) are wrong.

As to your highland comment, being that Midlothian is lowland I have no clue what you're getting at. Unless you have a problem with he Faulkner side of my family. However, I don't know much about them other than where they lived (which was in the highlands.)

I eagerly await your research of my blood and family history. I've researched and documented my family for about 12 yrs now.


But, you know all. You tell me. I suggest you comprehend what you're reading before you continue to make yourself look like an ass. I'll refrain from making erroneous assumptions about you. You know, because we don't know a **** thing about one another.
The Kerrs are a Celtic clan, Ibanez.

EVERY Scot in the world has a certain percentage of Nordic DNA. I won't go into the ling drawn out post that would be required to explain it.

I said highland because only ONE Scottish clan can actually claim Norwegian heritage, and that clan us a highland one.

The lowland clans are all heavily represented at highland gatherings and they ALL have fanciful tales about their noble birthrights- as do most all of the clans- to cover up the fact that they were mostly brutes and cattle thieves.

You're a smart feller- you tell ME how your DNA supports what you are saying and NOT what I am saying- that Clan Kerr is a Celtic clan with no familial ties to France. You said it yourself- 67% Ireland- that's almost a complete match with every single other lowland clan as they all descend from the Scotti who made up part of the Dalriadic kingdom near Oban around 600 AD.

Dont fall for that clan history crap, or the paternal DNA surname projects (which tell us a whole lot of nothing- Ive been down that road too). If you want a reading list that isnt full of bullshit let me know.

Im sorry if I came across harshly at first- thats a product of a couple wee drams tonight, as well as 30 years of listening to fakes peddling this clan history crap to information starved audiences here in the US. The reality may not be as exotic but it is just as proud.
That fake history bs is a reason I don't attend the Highland games or join the Scottish Rite. It's mostly bad or misguided ancestry. They don't even make you prove you're heritage anymore.
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Anyway, 3/32 districts are giving the No camp some hope. However, these are places that were expected to vote against it
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Live results link:
http://www.bbc.com/news/events/scotland-decides/results

If Glasgow and Edinburgh come in as expected, it looks like "YES" has a very good shot.
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I'm a 1/4 Scottish (or an 1/8), f*uck I don't know. My late grandmother on my mom's side was all about her Scottish heritage- the Chisholm clan. I don't know anything about them.
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CitadelGrad wrote:Live results link:
http://www.bbc.com/news/events/scotland-decides/results

If Glasgow and Edinburgh come in as expected, it looks like "YES" has a very good shot.
Cool link. Looks like "No" is going to win. They need 500k votes for the win, while "Yes" needs 700k. No idea how many votes still need to be counted.
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NO won 55%-45% according to BBC.
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CitadelGrad wrote:Live results link:
http://www.bbc.com/news/events/scotland-decides/results

If Glasgow and Edinburgh come in as expected, it looks like "YES" has a very good shot.
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Whole referendum clearly rigged...

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SDHornet wrote:
CitadelGrad wrote:Live results link:
http://www.bbc.com/news/events/scotland-decides/results

If Glasgow and Edinburgh come in as expected, it looks like "YES" has a very good shot.
Cool link. Looks like "No" is going to win. They need 500k votes for the win, while "Yes" needs 700k. No idea how many votes still need to be counted.
If Yes needed about 700k to win and No needed 500k to win, there would have been about (or just under) 1.2 million votes to count.
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I have a Scottish surname but I'm 100% Murican. :thumb:
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Pwns wrote:I have a Scottish surname but I'm 100% Murican. :thumb:
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William Wallace turned over in his grave this morning.
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bluehenbillk wrote:William Wallace turned over in his grave this morning.
No, the Scots fought for independence and with a huge turnout, voted to stay in the Union. Wallace would be proud that the Scots stood up for themselves. Democracy worked. The Scots chose their destiny. The leaders, disappointed as they are, understand that. But more devolution is going to occur, it has to (it's been "promised").
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CID1990 wrote:
Ibanez wrote: :ohno: What a doofus.
The only doofus is the one who posted this absolute horsesh!te:

"Possibly of Viking descent, it is thought that the Kerrs arrived in Britain from Normandy with William the Conqueror in 1066."

There is only one clan of Viking and Pictish descent and that's Gunn.

How the fvck does a clan claim Viking descent AND ALSO land with William from Normandy in 1066? Did they have a fvcking CHUNNEL back then? The Kerrs shat themselves out onto the Norman plains after having been bitched by the Vikings 1000 miles away?

I hope you didn't pay some shyster in a kilt at the Charleston Scottish games for that Nigerian scam.
Viking raiders settled in Normandy before 1066?
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houndawg wrote:
CID1990 wrote:
The only doofus is the one who posted this absolute horsesh!te:

"Possibly of Viking descent, it is thought that the Kerrs arrived in Britain from Normandy with William the Conqueror in 1066."

There is only one clan of Viking and Pictish descent and that's Gunn.

How the fvck does a clan claim Viking descent AND ALSO land with William from Normandy in 1066? Did they have a fvcking CHUNNEL back then? The Kerrs shat themselves out onto the Norman plains after having been bitched by the Vikings 1000 miles away?

I hope you didn't pay some shyster in a kilt at the Charleston Scottish games for that Nigerian scam.
Viking raiders settled in Normandy before 1066?
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CID1990 wrote:
Ibanez wrote:
And I'm positive that you know absolutely nothing about clan. No one is claiming a Scottish clan landed with the Normans. The Norman invasion is (as tradition) one explanation of how people got to England and then Scotland. It's painstakingly obvious you read "are thougt to have..." As a statement of fact. for you to be so arrogant about this is alarming. Please, tell use how you've studied every clan of Scotland. Please tell us how the scientist that have conducted DNA test on my brothers and I not only show that our DNA matches 67% Ireland (to include Scotland) but also 15% Scandinavia (Sweden actually where you can still find Kerrs) are wrong.

As to your highland comment, being that Midlothian is lowland I have no clue what you're getting at. Unless you have a problem with he Faulkner side of my family. However, I don't know much about them other than where they lived (which was in the highlands.)

I eagerly await your research of my blood and family history. I've researched and documented my family for about 12 yrs now.


But, you know all. You tell me. I suggest you comprehend what you're reading before you continue to make yourself look like an ass. I'll refrain from making erroneous assumptions about you. You know, because we don't know a **** thing about one another.
The Kerrs are a Celtic clan, Ibanez.

EVERY Scot in the world has a certain percentage of Nordic DNA. I won't go into the ling drawn out post that would be required to explain it.

I said highland because only ONE Scottish clan can actually claim Norwegian heritage, and that clan us a highland one.

The lowland clans are all heavily represented at highland gatherings and they ALL have fanciful tales about their noble birthrights- as do most all of the clans- to cover up the fact that they were mostly brutes and cattle thieves.

You're a smart feller- you tell ME how your DNA supports what you are saying and NOT what I am saying- that Clan Kerr is a Celtic clan with no familial ties to France. You said it yourself- 67% Ireland- that's almost a complete match with every single other lowland clan as they all descend from the Scotti who made up part of the Dalriadic kingdom near Oban around 600 AD.

Dont fall for that clan history crap, or the paternal DNA surname projects (which tell us a whole lot of nothing- Ive been down that road too). If you want a reading list that isnt full of bullshit let me know.

Im sorry if I came across harshly at first- thats a product of a couple wee drams tonight, as well as 30 years of listening to fakes peddling this clan history crap to information starved audiences here in the US. The reality may not be as exotic but it is just as proud.
Wonder if you've read a book I've been hearing about by Alan Young called "Robert the Bruce's Rivals, The Comyns 1212-1314"? If so is it any good?
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CID1990 wrote:
Ibanez wrote:
And I'm positive that you know absolutely nothing about clan. No one is claiming a Scottish clan landed with the Normans. The Norman invasion is (as tradition) one explanation of how people got to England and then Scotland. It's painstakingly obvious you read "are thougt to have..." As a statement of fact. for you to be so arrogant about this is alarming. Please, tell use how you've studied every clan of Scotland. Please tell us how the scientist that have conducted DNA test on my brothers and I not only show that our DNA matches 67% Ireland (to include Scotland) but also 15% Scandinavia (Sweden actually where you can still find Kerrs) are wrong.

As to your highland comment, being that Midlothian is lowland I have no clue what you're getting at. Unless you have a problem with he Faulkner side of my family. However, I don't know much about them other than where they lived (which was in the highlands.)

I eagerly await your research of my blood and family history. I've researched and documented my family for about 12 yrs now.


But, you know all. You tell me. I suggest you comprehend what you're reading before you continue to make yourself look like an ass. I'll refrain from making erroneous assumptions about you. You know, because we don't know a **** thing about one another.
The Kerrs are a Celtic clan, Ibanez.

EVERY Scot in the world has a certain percentage of Nordic DNA. I won't go into the ling drawn out post that would be required to explain it.

I said highland because only ONE Scottish clan can actually claim Norwegian heritage, and that clan us a highland one.

The lowland clans are all heavily represented at highland gatherings and they ALL have fanciful tales about their noble birthrights- as do most all of the clans- to cover up the fact that they were mostly brutes and cattle thieves.

You're a smart feller- you tell ME how your DNA supports what you are saying and NOT what I am saying- that Clan Kerr is a Celtic clan with no familial ties to France. You said it yourself- 67% Ireland- that's almost a complete match with every single other lowland clan as they all descend from the Scotti who made up part of the Dalriadic kingdom near Oban around 600 AD.

Dont fall for that clan history crap, or the paternal DNA surname projects (which tell us a whole lot of nothing- Ive been down that road too). If you want a reading list that isnt full of bullshit let me know.

Im sorry if I came across harshly at first- thats a product of a couple wee drams tonight, as well as 30 years of listening to fakes peddling this clan history crap to information starved audiences here in the US. The reality may not be as exotic but it is just as proud.
Wasn't harsh at all for you... :lol:
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Re: Scottish Independence

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Can't believe they voted no. What a bunch of COONTS!!!
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