The 800-lb Gorilla in the room.

[Grizalltheway]

In Europa Universalis IV, when you conquer the province of another nation and annex it as a part of your country it usually takes about 25-30 years for the risk of revolt to die down.

I was simply just speculating it would take at least a generation to pass because Hussein was such a violent dictator, the people had no spine. Figured it would take children growing up and being proud of their country to defend it with any sort of effort. Look at how the Iraqi troops run for cover or defect now.

Nice oversimplification. You should have been in Bush's cabinet.

[DSUrocks07]

I was simply just speculating it would take at least a generation to pass because Hussein was such a violent dictator, the people had no spine. Figured it would take children growing up and being proud of their country to defend it with any sort of effort. Look at how the Iraqi troops run for cover or defect now.

So Iraq was a conk mistake, Obama didn't get us out fast enough, now he is weak for not doing more, and we need to commit to 25 years to give democracy a fair chance to people we really should be nuking...because we don't want all to be for nothing in the end.

Did I sum it correctly?

Hell, it took about 25 years for democracy to take hold in this country

Are Americans really as naive about their view of "freedom and democracy" that they really think that simply creating a power vacuum in a region that was under absolute control by a dictator and expecting everything to be all rainbows and unicorns?

[Grizalltheway]

Yes. Most people couldn't find the place on a map before we invaded.

[SeattleGriz]

I was simply just speculating it would take at least a generation to pass because Hussein was such a violent dictator, the people had no spine. Figured it would take children growing up and being proud of their country to defend it with any sort of effort. Look at how the Iraqi troops run for cover or defect now.

Nice oversimplification. You should have been in Bush's cabinet.

...and you are on record for how long?

Thought so.

[kalm]

So Iraq was a conk mistake, Obama didn't get us out fast enough, now he is weak for not doing more, and we need to commit to 25 years to give democracy a fair chance to people we really should be nuking...because we don't want all to be for nothing in the end.

Did I sum it correctly?

Hell, it took about 25 years for democracy to take hold in this country

Are Americans really as naive about their view of "freedom and democracy" that they really think that simply creating a power vacuum in a region that was under absolute control by a dictator and expecting everything to be all rainbows and unicorns?

So was our goal in Iraq to kill terrorists or to spread democracy?

What is the goal now?

[YoUDeeMan]

In Europa Universalis IV, when you conquer the province of another nation and annex it as a part of your country it usually takes about 25-30 years for the risk of revolt to die down.

I was simply just speculating it would take at least a generation to pass because Hussein was such a violent dictator, the people had no spine. Figured it would take children growing up and being proud of their country to defend it with any sort of effort. Look at how the Iraqi troops run for cover or defect now.

Wake up...you've fallen asleep leaning on the Stupid button.

[YoUDeeMan]

Are Americans really as naive about their view of "freedom and democracy" that they really think that simply creating a power vacuum in a region that was under absolute control by a dictator and expecting everything to be all rainbows and unicorns?

Yes.

Obama took out Cwadoofy and tried to take out Assad. He also helped take out the Egyptian President...and then helped take out that guy, too. Yup.

Apparently, Obushma thought things would be peachy and keen if he delivered Democracy to the huddled, oppressed masses. Hasn't worked for Libya, Syria, or Iraq...or Detroit.

[SeattleGriz]

I was simply just speculating it would take at least a generation to pass because Hussein was such a violent dictator, the people had no spine. Figured it would take children growing up and being proud of their country to defend it with any sort of effort. Look at how the Iraqi troops run for cover or defect now.

Wake up...you've fallen asleep leaning on the Stupid button.

How so? Where was my thought process incorrect?

[YoUDeeMan]

1) I was simply just speculating it would take at least a generation to pass because Hussein was such a violent dictator, the people had no spine.

2) Figured it would take children growing up and being proud of their country to defend it with any sort of effort.

3)Look at how the Iraqi troops run for cover or defect now.

How so? Where was my thought process incorrect?

1) The Iraqi people have no spine? Apparently, the ISIS folks have enough spine to die for their beliefs. Plenty of Iraqis, by the tens and tens of thousands (even more if you count the victims) have had spine enough to have given their lives for their causes in the last dozen years or so...and many more in the years before we got involved. They have a lot of different, and often opposing, causes, though...you're simply too stupid to see that.

And violent dictators leave people with no spine? How about those Germans? Russians? Japanese? Chinese? All spineless?

2) Children growing up proud enough of their country to defend it? What country is that? Kurdistan? Sumeria? Babylon? Or are you referring to the mandated borders of 1920? In case you didn't notice, there are a heck of a lot of people defending areas in Iraq...though maybe you will grow up and out of your child like state in another generations' time to understand that they might not care about your idea of their, "country."

3) If someone attacked the US, you'd see the majority of people fleeing battle areas and running for cover...and we'd have our shares of defectors within the military, too. Flashback: during WWI, civilized countries, with so-called stable borders, and generations of proud people full of spines, had plenty of troops that needed to be encouraged, at gun point, to show a little effort at avoiding running for cover or defecting.

But hey, they were fighting for God and country, right?




However, it appears that I was wrong about you leaning on the Stupid button. Instead, it appears that you have it shoved way up your azz and stuck on the, "on" position. Maybe dback can help....he's had experience with that sort of thing.

[mainejeff]

I still say spray the entire Middle East with a chemical agent that renders the entire population impotent.

Safe...humane...effective.

[YoUDeeMan]

I still say spray the entire Middle East with a chemical agent that renders the entire population impotent.

Safe...humane...effective.

Not a bad idea. Just don't leak it to the main stream media.

[Pwns]

I'm leery of trying to freedomize third world countries, but Isis is exactly the kind of groups the war on terra was supposed to eliminate, are they not? We effed it up, we should do something to clean it up...

[89Hen]

I still say spray the entire Middle East with a chemical agent that renders the entire population impotent.

Safe...humane...effective.

Yes, except for the safe and humane part.

[ASUG8]

I still say spray the entire Middle East with a chemical agent that renders the entire population impotent.

Safe...humane...effective.

Yes, except for the safe and humane part.

They're already spraying in the US with idiot spray chemtrails over major urban areas. That's how the Dems got in power.

[YoUDeeMan]

I'm leery of trying to freedomize third world countries, but Isis is exactly the kind of groups the war on terra was supposed to eliminate, are they not? We effed it up, we should do something to clean it up...

War on Terror?



The war on terror is not about eliminating terrorists. Otherwise, we'd be targeting wealthy Saudis and other contributors to the hard liners' cause.

[ASUG8]

Follow the money which is probably getting funded via the Saudis. You lop off the head there and you starve ISIS. If we could be more aggressive to get off the Saudi oil teat and develop our own resources this we could actually put a plan like this in motion.

[YoUDeeMan]

Follow the money which is probably getting funded via the Saudis. You lop off the head there and you starve ISIS. If we could be more aggressive to get off the Saudi oil teat and develop our own resources this we could actually put a plan like this in motion.

Odds on that happening under Obushma?



Obama would rather go after the reporters and leakers who would disclose Obama's ties to anything that would tarnish his image, including pacifying the Saudis.

In that way, Obama is no different than the tyrants he chastises (notice Obama isn't chastising Bahrain's leaders, Saudi's leaders, and just about any other Middle Eastern reigning family).

[AZGrizFan]

Follow the money which is probably getting funded via the Saudis. You lop off the head there and you starve ISIS. If we could be more aggressive to get off the Saudi oil teat and develop our own resources this we could actually put a plan like this in motion.

America is the #1 oil-producing nation in the WORLD. If we can't get off SA's teet NOW, we'll NEVER do it.

[Ivytalk]

Yes, except for the safe and humane part.

They're already spraying in the US with idiot spray chemtrails over major urban areas. That's how the Dems got in power.

Spandos?

[Baldy]

Follow the money which is probably getting funded via the Saudis. You lop off the head there and you starve ISIS. If we could be more aggressive to get off the Saudi oil teat and develop our own resources this we could actually put a plan like this in motion.

The thing is that ISIS has stolen hundreds and hundreds of millions of dollars in cash and gold when they rolled through Iraq. They also control enough of the oil fields to where they are making about $3M per day just by selling crude oil.

[kalm]

Follow the money which is probably getting funded via the Saudis. You lop off the head there and you starve ISIS. If we could be more aggressive to get off the Saudi oil teat and develop our own resources this we could actually put a plan like this in motion.

The thing is that ISIS has stolen hundreds and hundreds of millions of dollars in cash and gold when they rolled through Iraq. They also control enough of the oil fields to where they are making about $3M per day just by selling crude oil.

Interesting that they are able to take it over that quickly and sell it.

[ASUG8]

They're already spraying in the US with idiot spray chemtrails over major urban areas. That's how the Dems got in power.

Spandos?

I believe everything he posts, don't you?

[CID1990]

The thing is that ISIS has stolen hundreds and hundreds of millions of dollars in cash and gold when they rolled through Iraq. They also control enough of the oil fields to where they are making about $3M per day just by selling crude oil.

Interesting that they are able to take it over that quickly and sell it.

If that is your intention then it is simple to do.

[CAA Flagship]

Interesting that they are able to take it over that quickly and sell it.

If that is your intention then it is simple to do.

Especially at $25 per barrel.

[DSUrocks07]

If that is your intention then it is simple to do.

Especially at $25 per barrel.

In my hood, fencing stolen goods is something that's common place.