South Carolina State considers dropping to DII

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Re: South Carolina State considers dropping to DII

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clenz wrote:30 less schollarships, likely lower base coach pay all the way around once the current contacts are up, lower recruiting budget, tighter recruiting range, less plane travel, etc...

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Downside being that if you go D2, you're D2 in all sports (no NCAA tourney), which is why you see schools drop football. Although seeing how SC State did in bball last season...combined with their investment in football with their 22,000 seat stadium... :-?

But I think this is a false-flag justto scare their alums into donating and supporting the athletic department, (attendence, merch sales, and stuff)

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Perhaps this will open up the possibility of the Bulldogs joining the Big South. Yeah, I'm just grasping at straws here.
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Re: South Carolina State considers dropping to DII

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As heretical as it seems, a drop to D2 by SCSU would not be a disastrous thing. Their primary games and rivalries are with other HBCU's, As long as they could maintain rivalries with other HBCU's, they should do well. The major propblem with dropping a division, is that they would likely lose many of their MEAC rivalries.

The Ivies play "non-scholarship" football (lower than D2 bases on scholarships) and don't participate in the playoffs, but still have exciting game-day atmospheres, decent attendance and strong fan support.

The SWAC does not participate in the playoffs, and yet the Bayou Classic fills up the Superdome.

That being said, it is extremely unlikely that SC State drops football or moves to D2 (or D3).
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I don't want to step on any toes, here, but the State of South Carolina abandoned higher education funding years ago.

State support for public, four-year colleges and universities will soon hit 20% of actual cost (likely becoming the lowest support in the nation). Schools responded by drastically increasing tuition over the years to close funding gaps; this causing indignation from politicians who demanded tuition freezes. Secondary-school funding in SC is even more ridiculous.

The new motto for SC education: "At Least, We're Not West Virginia"
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Aho Old Guy wrote:I don't want to step on any toes, here, but the State of South Carolina abandoned higher education funding years ago.

State support for public, four-year colleges and universities will soon hit 20% of actual cost (likely becoming the lowest support in the nation). Schools responded by drastically increasing tuition over the years to close funding gaps; this causing indignation from politicians who demanded tuition freezes. Secondary-school funding in SC is even more ridiculous.

The new motto for SC education: "At Least, We're Not West Virginia"
UAlbany only gets 13% of its budget from taxpayer funding.

Most states are abandoning funding. UCLA recently floated a proposal to go private.
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Re: South Carolina State considers dropping to DII

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Aho Old Guy wrote:I don't want to step on any toes, here, but the State of South Carolina abandoned higher education funding years ago.

State support for public, four-year colleges and universities will soon hit 20% of actual cost (likely becoming the lowest support in the nation). Schools responded by drastically increasing tuition over the years to close funding gaps; this causing indignation from politicians who demanded tuition freezes. Secondary-school funding in SC is even more ridiculous.

The new motto for SC education: "At Least, We're Not West Virginia"
This is true. State funding for The Citadel has been at 11% for quite some time. I have wished that we would go private for a long time now. It is funny that back in the 1990s when the privatization idea was first floated, opponents said that individual costs would increase by 75%. Now, individual costs have increased by about 105% and the school is still beholden to the retards up in the Statehouse.

SC has always been a joke when it comes to support for education, AND I might add that it is difficult for people to argue that the federal government should not be in the education business when SC does such a dismal job itself.
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Re: South Carolina State considers dropping to DII

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danefan wrote:
Aho Old Guy wrote:I don't want to step on any toes, here, but the State of South Carolina abandoned higher education funding years ago.

State support for public, four-year colleges and universities will soon hit 20% of actual cost (likely becoming the lowest support in the nation). Schools responded by drastically increasing tuition over the years to close funding gaps; this causing indignation from politicians who demanded tuition freezes. Secondary-school funding in SC is even more ridiculous.

The new motto for SC education: "At Least, We're Not West Virginia"
UAlbany only gets 13% of its budget from taxpayer funding.

Most states are abandoning funding. UCLA recently floated a proposal to go private.
Arizona is doing the same, even though the Constitution mandates "nearly free" education to all residents.
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CID1990 wrote:
Aho Old Guy wrote:I don't want to step on any toes, here, but the State of South Carolina abandoned higher education funding years ago.

State support for public, four-year colleges and universities will soon hit 20% of actual cost (likely becoming the lowest support in the nation). Schools responded by drastically increasing tuition over the years to close funding gaps; this causing indignation from politicians who demanded tuition freezes. Secondary-school funding in SC is even more ridiculous.

The new motto for SC education: "At Least, We're Not West Virginia"
This is true. State funding for The Citadel has been at 11% for quite some time. I have wished that we would go private for a long time now. It is funny that back in the 1990s when the privatization idea was first floated, opponents said that individual costs would increase by 75%. Now, individual costs have increased by about 105% and the school is still beholden to the retards up in the Statehouse.

SC has always been a joke when it comes to support for education, AND I might add that it is difficult for people to argue that the federal government should not be in the education business when SC does such a dismal job itself.
It is an interesting dilema that I believe is being tossed around at many schools. PSU, Pitt and Temple are "state related" schools in PA and I believe get less than 10% of their budget from the state. PSU has the highest tuition for a land grant university in the country for in state residents. Certain PSU trustee's floated the idea of going private, but it was shot down rather quickly. Pitt was a private school for the bulk of it's history and I can see them going back.
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Re: South Carolina State considers dropping to DII

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danefan wrote:
Aho Old Guy wrote:I don't want to step on any toes, here, but the State of South Carolina abandoned higher education funding years ago.

State support for public, four-year colleges and universities will soon hit 20% of actual cost (likely becoming the lowest support in the nation). Schools responded by drastically increasing tuition over the years to close funding gaps; this causing indignation from politicians who demanded tuition freezes. Secondary-school funding in SC is even more ridiculous.

The new motto for SC education: "At Least, We're Not West Virginia"
UAlbany only gets 13% of its budget from taxpayer funding.

Most states are abandoning funding. UCLA recently floated a proposal to go private.
Who is paying for your fancy new stadium?

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